How about Deonte Burton? Otherwise I think you have them covered. If they start out training camp with this bunch we'll have to hire a shepherd.
Terry being traded to Houston
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Like it for us. Terry playing for us would only take away minutes from Ben and Nik... something we want to avoid. And I'll take Gee over Terry anyway as an end of bench kind of guy. Gee has versatility to play the 2 and the 3 spot and isn't on his way to the retirement home. Also doesn't hurt that Gee has the ability to defend a bit, unlike Terry. I also imagine that we free up some cap to have some flexibility with trades and what-not.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Maybe win, but I actually think we have no 2nd rounders left until about 2020 anymore. They seem to be our favorite currency, and now we're out of it, and you kinda wish they would have gotten us further than a pile of random guys. If there is a capping move to make all of this stuff make sense its getting about time to see it.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Forgot about him, so 18/19 (depending on TWill) that are already known guys coming into traing camp. That is insane. Normally you only take 20 total, and the last 4-5 are just filler. they should go back to televising all the training camp games again, we've got half of North America under contract and trying out.
Clear cap space, don't have to pull any BS move that hurts us for a few years later to do it and maybe gives us flexibility with more moves to come.
And it's not like we can't buy second rounders down the road if we need them. We're not in the Maloof era anymore.
And it's not like we can't buy second rounders down the road if we need them. We're not in the Maloof era anymore.
theclash4u5
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We desperately wanted a 2nd round pick this year and we didn't buy one. It's not just that easy and giving out $$$. If the draft is deep, then some teams would rather stash a Euro player than take a few extra million in cash
This was supposedly a once a decade draft. Second rounders are easier to come by most years.
Well, it appears that one of the two picks we're sending is New York's 2016 2nd. As for the others:
2015: Split into three parts. If 31-49 we keep it (Nope, this is what we traded). If 50-55 it goes to Miami. If 56-60 it goes to Boston. Neither Miami/Boston get anything else if it's not conveyed.
2016: This one is already gone. It's complicated, but in essence it's going to New Orleans, and from there it might get bounced. But it's not ours.
2017: Also complicated. If 56-60 it goes to Boston. If 31-55 it is currently reserved as the fallback pick in the J.J. Hickson trade, if a first-rounder is not conveyed through 2017, so it can't be traded at any rate. But we're relatively likely to get 31-55 back at some point by conveying the first rounder.
2018: Fully ours, and we have the additional right to swap for Portland's 2nd if it's higher than ours.
2019: Ours, but Milwaukee has the right to swap for it if ours is higher than theirs.
2020: Ours
2021: Ours
2022 and beyond: Ineligible to be traded due to 7-year rule.
I have edited the post. First, I had the Miami/ours portions of the 2015 pick swapped. Whoops. Second, it appears from a Houston article that the remainder of the 2015 pick is what we sent: (http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...greement-on-trade-for-jason-terry/#25869101=0)
This means we officially have no second round pick in 2015 or 2016. 2017 is still up in the air pending the J.J. Hickson first rounder. 2018 and beyond we own a second round pick.
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Yes, but 2nd round picks are the easiest thing to acquire in basketball. Also, we had no 2nd this year and ended up with 2 pretty decent prospects in Sim and Moreland.
As long as we're proactive in finding some developmental guys, like we have been this off-season, then it shouldn't really be an issue. The only thing it hampers sort of is trade flexibility where we can't do moves like Player X for a future 2nd where we take on cap. And we're not in a cap position to do that anyway.
2nd rounders have value but I'm going to keep them in perspective. I think the Terry expiring had no value. Can't believe a team wants him at this point. And if we do need an expiring contract to help supplement a deal, seems like DWill has way more value as a younger player. Now making this move, should lead to another one and it will probably be a small move, which is fine with me.
Also, the organization may feel very strongly about their ability to evaluate and/or find undrafted rookies such as Moreland. If the organization feels strongly about being able to mine the undrafted rookies and then reaching into the foreign market, such as the guard that was just being rumored we had interest in....well, the value of the second rounders for the organization may not be as strong. Moreland appears to be as good a bet as any second rounder to possibly be a rotational player someday.
macadocious
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Does this allow us to use our trade exception?
We're sending the pics not getting them
HighFlyingMonkey
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Two second rounders is rather expensive to shed a year off Terry's deal. You pay that kind of pricetag if you need the cash right away. In isolation we overpaid but the bigger deal that seems to be rumbling under the surface seems like its getting closer to pop.
Terry's only possible value would have been as an ending contract for a big contract player like Josh Smith. This trade makes it a little less likely that a big move will happen either before the season or at the deadline.
As for the 2nd round picks they can be useful for teams at or near the cap to nab limited players that can obe useful role players. One dimensional shooters, offensively challenged rebounders, wing defenders, bench scorers, big bodied stiffs as backup Cs, etc.
I'm happy to see Terry go but this move might give a bit of room to sign Casspi etc but primarily this was a salary cap/luxury tax move and won't improve the team on the floor.
As for the 2nd round picks they can be useful for teams at or near the cap to nab limited players that can obe useful role players. One dimensional shooters, offensively challenged rebounders, wing defenders, bench scorers, big bodied stiffs as backup Cs, etc.
I'm happy to see Terry go but this move might give a bit of room to sign Casspi etc but primarily this was a salary cap/luxury tax move and won't improve the team on the floor.
HighFlyingMonkey
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No, the safer bet is that this move is a precursor to something else. With the Outlaw/Acy deal and now this trade, we've been creeping further and further below the luxury tax line, which is $4 million below the tax apron that we are hard capped at for the remainder of the season. After these two deals, we can waive all of the unguaranteed contracts and stretch Ellington to shave about $9 million off of our cap figure. Then our salary figure is at about $66 million, meaning we are allowed to increase our total roster's salary by about $15 million under the CBA in a bigger deal.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
And we wound up getting the usual 2nd-rounder level developmental guy in Eric Moreland anyways.
That's definitely possible but its getting pretty late in the summer for a big trade and it would have to happen before roster cut downs.
But your view is more optimistic so I think I'll adopt it and hope for a major move.
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KingMilz
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Did we get Alonzo Gee? If so we just solved the back up SF problem which hopefully means we don't sign Casspi and I would not mind that trade at all if we are getting Gee back. Gee has that hustle/defence and the athletic ability of Derrick Williams so that's a very solid pick up.
KingsCitizen
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I think this is a prelude to bigger trade this offseason. We got some salary space because we get non-guaranteed in exchange for Terry's guaranteed. Plus we still have the player exception from the IT signing with the Suns. You combine that space of about 5M with 7.2M traded player exception and you get closer to the range of Rondo's 12.9M or some other guy's 10M contract without releasing any player in exchange.
I'm not sure about when is the deadline about cutting Ellington or applying stretch provision on him. But if his 2M+ contract gets offloaded as well soon, Kings can actually get the 14M of Josh Smith from Detroit without releasing anyone from the roster.
You guys should give credit to PDA for pulling technical trades like this. Just saying.
I'm not sure about when is the deadline about cutting Ellington or applying stretch provision on him. But if his 2M+ contract gets offloaded as well soon, Kings can actually get the 14M of Josh Smith from Detroit without releasing anyone from the roster.
You guys should give credit to PDA for pulling technical trades like this. Just saying.
TonyTouch21
G-League
PDA is still inching towards his GM of the year award. I kind of like Gee, athletic like DWill, and I'm starting to think Derrick is in his official "bust" year if we can move him soon. Alonzo can fly though. If the FO will keep him (after some more moves) I ain't mad at cha. He could be a part of our positionless track team, like the 2012-2013 Denver Nuggets.
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KingMilz
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Why would we release the 2nd best SF on the roster and the best defensive wing we got?
Gee unlike Williams plays hard everynight
ockingsfan
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This trade can't be completed until September 15th, due to Gee and Hopson being traded recently on July 15th to Houston.
Looks like Wayne Ellington is still a King and they apparently did not use the stretch provision on him.
I have to believe that PDA has another bigger move coming, otherwise no need to unload an ending contract for cap space now, whey luxury tax is not calculated until the end of the year.
I still think the Kings will be trading for Josh Smith and bringing back more salary in the trade to satisfy Detroit need to get back more value in a trade.
If the Kings send Carl Landry (or JT) and DWill to Detroit for Josh Smith, the Kings would be taking back about 2 million more in salary, thus they need to get Terry's contract off the books ASAP to make this trade happen and could not wait until the trade deadline.
I think this is a prelude to bigger target, either a Josh Smith or Rajon Rondo trade.
Looks like Wayne Ellington is still a King and they apparently did not use the stretch provision on him.
I have to believe that PDA has another bigger move coming, otherwise no need to unload an ending contract for cap space now, whey luxury tax is not calculated until the end of the year.
I still think the Kings will be trading for Josh Smith and bringing back more salary in the trade to satisfy Detroit need to get back more value in a trade.
If the Kings send Carl Landry (or JT) and DWill to Detroit for Josh Smith, the Kings would be taking back about 2 million more in salary, thus they need to get Terry's contract off the books ASAP to make this trade happen and could not wait until the trade deadline.
I think this is a prelude to bigger target, either a Josh Smith or Rajon Rondo trade.
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