Terrence Williams or Quincy Acy?
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We have 2 C - Cousins and (Thompson).
We have 4 PF - (Thompson), Landry, Evans, and Moreland.
We have 4 SF - Gay, DWill, Outlaw, and Casspi.
We have 2 SG - McLemore and Stauskas.
We have 2 PG - Collison and McCallum.
I think I'd rather go for Terrence Williams who can play both the SG and PG position. He can be a good insurance or back-up at both positions.
And if we can sign another minimum player to fill the roster to 15, I still would not go for Acy who I think Malone will use as another undersized 6' 6.5" PF. I just hate small-ball Nellie that Malone sometimes seems to subscribe. I'll experiment on a 7-foot Center bench warmer like BJ Mullens who can be used once in a blue moon as a stretch-4 besides Cousins.
We have 4 PF - (Thompson), Landry, Evans, and Moreland.
We have 4 SF - Gay, DWill, Outlaw, and Casspi.
We have 2 SG - McLemore and Stauskas.
We have 2 PG - Collison and McCallum.
I think I'd rather go for Terrence Williams who can play both the SG and PG position. He can be a good insurance or back-up at both positions.
And if we can sign another minimum player to fill the roster to 15, I still would not go for Acy who I think Malone will use as another undersized 6' 6.5" PF. I just hate small-ball Nellie that Malone sometimes seems to subscribe. I'll experiment on a 7-foot Center bench warmer like BJ Mullens who can be used once in a blue moon as a stretch-4 besides Cousins.
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KingsCitizen
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If T-Will performs well in his workout and shows he still got it. I don't mind keeping both.
Having a lot of tough guys on the team should lessen DMC's technical foul calls for barely shouting because it will sort of become the norm of this team.
That is players screaming and shouting after dunks, blocks, steals, and pumping their chest. LOL
This T-Will workout would be interesting though because we clearly lack depth at SG. And it's a good sign of FO activities towards filling holes on the roster.
Having a lot of tough guys on the team should lessen DMC's technical foul calls for barely shouting because it will sort of become the norm of this team.
That is players screaming and shouting after dunks, blocks, steals, and pumping their chest. LOL
This T-Will workout would be interesting though because we clearly lack depth at SG. And it's a good sign of FO activities towards filling holes on the roster.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Most people probably didn't even know it was the same player. I was shocked when I saw him.
Before
After
Yeah. James Johnson probably isn't the best example since he exploded into one of the best per-minute defenders in the league once not playing under the worst coaching staff/ownership combo in the league.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I always liked Williams as a player and he was very good for us a few years back but there is an obvious reason, or reasons why despite his talent, he did not stick with apthe NBA team. Something doesn't look right there but it can't hurt to take a look!
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
There's definitely no risk in taking another look him. How many people reach their full potential, in whatever path that they're passionate about, without getting some sort of "second chance" and/or having to make radical adustements? Very few
Jkbiker
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I am not sure what the Moreland salary will be, minimum salary with -0- nba experience is around $507k , I don't know if the 3 year contract starts this low
But The last Payroll figures I saw was Kings payroll for 13 players including Acy 915k option was $75.852,705
So Omri's contract was also about $915, so there was room under Lux cap for Acy
But with the Moreland signing even if it was for the min I think we have 14 players
and little or no room for a 15th player
So Whether it is Acy, Twill or Marshon Brooks
Unless some trade to clear a PF and Salary by 8/15 I think we loose Acy
If some move is made after that, I see Twill and Brooks as possible Training camp invites pending a move? or SG Insurance
Are any of these 3 worth stretching an expiring, paying the money instead of using the expiring as a future trade asset - A BIG NO FOR ME!
So unless there is a trade to bring a big time player for 2-3 players/ or expirings then you look at these 3 players depending on who goes in a trade you get Acy as a back up big Or one of Twill/Brooks as a back up Guard
But The last Payroll figures I saw was Kings payroll for 13 players including Acy 915k option was $75.852,705
So Omri's contract was also about $915, so there was room under Lux cap for Acy
But with the Moreland signing even if it was for the min I think we have 14 players
and little or no room for a 15th player
So Whether it is Acy, Twill or Marshon Brooks
Unless some trade to clear a PF and Salary by 8/15 I think we loose Acy
If some move is made after that, I see Twill and Brooks as possible Training camp invites pending a move? or SG Insurance
Are any of these 3 worth stretching an expiring, paying the money instead of using the expiring as a future trade asset - A BIG NO FOR ME!
So unless there is a trade to bring a big time player for 2-3 players/ or expirings then you look at these 3 players depending on who goes in a trade you get Acy as a back up big Or one of Twill/Brooks as a back up Guard
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
I wonder if the 'longer term' question might actually turn out to be....Twill or BenMc ?
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Let's not depend on TWill being a member of the Kings. His hopscotching around the world with a few games played here and a few played there is very troublesome. I presume in the tryout with the Kings the FO will answer a few questions. He's a great athlete with the unique trait of being willing to share the ball. He would be what we want. He would have torn up the Philippine's Basketball League if he had stayed or at least listened to what they wanted from him. smh
Somewhat tangentially, he played on a team owned by MVP, the Filipino who wanted to buy the Kings. His coach was American so it's hard to say what his problem was with the team.
I think if he were OK, the addition of Williams and Stauskas and the elimination of IT (sorry folks) will change how the team plays in a very major way. Our SL team won the championship without placing one guy on the 1st or 2nd teams. They won with team work and not outstanding individuals and in the end, this is they way we need to win.
Somewhat tangentially, he played on a team owned by MVP, the Filipino who wanted to buy the Kings. His coach was American so it's hard to say what his problem was with the team.
I think if he were OK, the addition of Williams and Stauskas and the elimination of IT (sorry folks) will change how the team plays in a very major way. Our SL team won the championship without placing one guy on the 1st or 2nd teams. They won with team work and not outstanding individuals and in the end, this is they way we need to win.
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Jkbiker
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Paul Garcia @PaulGarciaPS about 53 minutes ago
MT @Alex Kennedy: Dahntay Jones worked out for NBA teams in Las Vegas. The Kings, Cavaliers, Spurs, Thunder and Wizards were in attendance
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz38zKMW6nQ
So add Dahntay Jones to the Twill/Brooks SG list?
MT @Alex Kennedy: Dahntay Jones worked out for NBA teams in Las Vegas. The Kings, Cavaliers, Spurs, Thunder and Wizards were in attendance
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz38zKMW6nQ
So add Dahntay Jones to the Twill/Brooks SG list?
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
No 'stone' unturned. We're about as active as any NBA team has ever been, it would seem
I like the idea of having almost pre-draft like workouts for unsigned free agents, with interested teams being able to view a number of candidates. And I'm almost speechless to think the Kings are right in the middle of it all. I cannot remember the last time we had this many different potential scenarios (playerwise) to talk about AND have even the slightest belief that some/any of them might actually come true.
Section 101
All-Star
Or maybe because he lost tons of weight and got quicker.
Jkbiker
Starter
Im not sure if we don't have to change thread title back to Moreland vs Acy ?
Even though we signed Moreland to 3 yrs , it is a non-guaranteed Contract
If Casspi deal is finalized , we pick up Acy option and Moreland becomes guaranteed, I think we are over the Luxury limit
Of course a salary saving trade either before Acy option or End of camp could fix it
But if not it still could be either Acy or Moreland that becomes the casualty of our Luxury Cap
And I Still say NO to using the stretch provision to save either one, and NO to luxury tax for either one
Even though we signed Moreland to 3 yrs , it is a non-guaranteed Contract
If Casspi deal is finalized , we pick up Acy option and Moreland becomes guaranteed, I think we are over the Luxury limit
Of course a salary saving trade either before Acy option or End of camp could fix it
But if not it still could be either Acy or Moreland that becomes the casualty of our Luxury Cap
And I Still say NO to using the stretch provision to save either one, and NO to luxury tax for either one
ockingsfan
Starter
If we don't pick up Acy option on his contract and he becomes a free agent, can we re-sign him to the vet minimum and have the NBA pick up the difference?
Like we are planning to do with Casspi, meaning signing him to the $1 mil contract, but only having $915K applied towards the luxury tax and the league picking up the rest on a vet min. contract?
I think that is what the Lakers tried to do with Kendall Marshall, but he didn't make it through waivers. But Acy, I think wouldn't go through waivers, because he has an option, not a guaranteed contract.
Like we are planning to do with Casspi, meaning signing him to the $1 mil contract, but only having $915K applied towards the luxury tax and the league picking up the rest on a vet min. contract?
I think that is what the Lakers tried to do with Kendall Marshall, but he didn't make it through waivers. But Acy, I think wouldn't go through waivers, because he has an option, not a guaranteed contract.
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
Why not both?
I have a feeling DWill, Terry, Outlaw and Evans will be packaged for someone soon. Once the KLove trade is done.
I have a feeling DWill, Terry, Outlaw and Evans will be packaged for someone soon. Once the KLove trade is done.
kingsnation
All-Star
I just love getting all of our former role players back.
Great signings and scouting by PDA. Let's go get Cisco, Mikki and Spencer too! Time to re-live those glory days.
Great signings and scouting by PDA. Let's go get Cisco, Mikki and Spencer too! Time to re-live those glory days.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Have no idea why we would give up Evans. Perfect cheap roleplayer. The others though obviously are wasted money.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Evans is one of he bench guys where I don't worry when he is in. Maybe people underestimate his skills. Maybe it's the analytics or lack thereof. He's a great bargain.
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
With Moreland and Acy on the roster, every minute Evans plays is a waste of time. We aren't making the playoffs this year, but hopefully we do next year and at 35 he is not being resigned. Assuming that we trade all those expirings for a big, then it would take quite a few injuries before we would need him off the bench.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
The other view on this, would be that Acy and Moreland can gain a lot from watching a true professional in Evans, working his 'grind' on a daily basis. On and off the court
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Acy has no potential. And Moreland could stand to elarn a few things from Evans.
No reason not to resign him actually if things go well. Every team needs a few tough old vets who know their place and bring the right attitude to the ends of their benches. When Reggie's boarding begins to falter, he'll be out, but until that happens he could easily be a Kurt Thomas like lingerer.
Chubbs
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I'm with brick on acy. There's nothing there. Can't see him developing into much.
Moreland does have potential. Defensively anyway.
I'm not sure acy or moreland are rotation guys on the current team. They're going for the playoffs. Now. I don't see moreland or acy as key parts of that this season.
Letsgokings13
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T Will, please
annihilator_33
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Hmmmmmm........
T Williams @TheRealTWill 18m
It Def Was Gods Plan, To Take Me This Route I Appreciate That...... #55 Back In Action
T Williams @TheRealTWill 18m
It Def Was Gods Plan, To Take Me This Route I Appreciate That...... #55 Back In Action
Read an interview with TWill in March or April. He has great attitude: humble, knows he has to take a backseat to other guys to stick around and is willing to work hard for any opportunity to get his career back on track - no cockiness or entitlement, that he exhibited entering the League as a lottery pick. Shot from 3 pretty well last year, though D-League is obviously not at the same level. But he showed good defense and playmaking the last time he was in Sacramento, so adding decent shot would make him even more dynamic. He would make an interesting fit at SF next to McSophs, who together as guards lack handles and creativity, but I'm not sure Stauskas is considered for starting lineup to leave Ben on the bench. Anyway you can never have too much unselfish playmaking.
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