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Kings first round pick for Jeff Teague....then buy a sf (?), don't know if I think Iggy would fit here.

Teague/Udrih/Pooh
Evans/Thorton/Garcia
Gay/Greene/Casspi
Cousins/D. Jackson
Dalembert/Thompson/Whiteside

Memphis has Shane Battier and Rudy Gay, which one do they want us to trade for salary cap under the new CBA?

Could also see
Teague
Thorton (SG)
Evans (SF)
Cousins
Dalembert
 
joemama said:
Kings first round pick for Jeff Teague....then buy a sf (?), don't know if I think Iggy would fit here.

Teague/Udrih/Pooh
Evans/Thorton/Garcia
Gay/Greene/Casspi
Cousins/D. Jackson
Dalembert/Thompson/Whiteside

Memphis has Shane Battier and Rudy Gay, which one do they want us to trade for salary cap under the new CBA?

Could also see
Teague
Thorton (SG)
Evans (SF)
Cousins
Dalembert
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The guy plays one pretty good series (14.8pts 4.2ast is only exciting because it was Jeff Teague doing it) in 3 years, and then you instantly want to trade a Top 10 lottery pick for him? And move him right in as a starter on a team with all 96 backcourt minutes already fully accounted for by 3 players, two of whom are well out of Teague's league, and the third of whom has pretty much been averaging 14pts 4ast for his entire Kings career?
 
Hold on, let me get this straight.

Trade our pick, no matter if it's the 1st or 2nd, for Jeff freaking Teague, the same guy who couldn't get on the court with Bibby ahead of him? We don't even know where we'll be picking. Irving, Williams, Knight, Kanter, or..........Teague? What the hell?

Then to follow that brilliant idea up, you think Mem is going to give us Gay for cap space??? We won't even have a 1st rounder to offer if we go by your plan. Gay for cap space? Or are they going to trade Battier to us for cap space, who happens to be a FA. Please explain to me how a team can trade a FA. In the NBA I follow, it isn't possible.

I think when someone makes a thread like this, their thread making capabilities should be revoked.
 
Let me be clear. Jeff Teague is not a good outside shooter. You know how you can tell? He hardly, if ever, even attempts a 3 point shot. In one of the games, at one point he was 7 for 7 from the floor. All seven shots were either layups, or floaters. And now you want to put him on the floor with Evans, who at the moment, is not a consistent 3 pt shooter, and take our best 3 pt shooter, Thornton, and put him on the bench. In god's name, why? You want a Teague on the team? Wait till next year and draft his brother Marquis Teague, who is going to be a better player than Jeff, and he can hit a 3 pt shot.

Can we put a little thought into some of these suggestions?
 
Memphis would have a choice between Battier and Rudy Gay and you think they would send us Rudy to relieve cap space.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
 
joemama said:
Kings first round pick for Jeff Teague....then buy a sf (?), don't know if I think Iggy would fit here.

Teague/Udrih/Pooh
Evans/Thorton/Garcia
Gay/Greene/Casspi
Cousins/D. Jackson
Dalembert/Thompson/Whiteside

Memphis has Shane Battier and Rudy Gay, which one do they want us to trade for salary cap under the new CBA?

Could also see
Teague
Thorton (SG)
Evans (SF)
Cousins
Dalembert
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I liked Teague a lot when I saw him college. Ultra-quick guard. The biggest negative was the question about his attitude and his selfishness. For his second year in the league, with very little previous on-the-court experience he did quite well against Rose. Nobody can deny that. In fact, he was probably the most consistent player on the Atlanta team. Considering his inexperience, I was definitely surprised by his intelligence and poise on the floor. (By the way, there were at least three times where the refs totally screwed the guy on calls, especially when he flat out stole the ball from Rose and Rose ended up near tackling him). Atlanta wouldn't trade the Kings Teague for say the 5th pick in the draft. They might not trade Teague for the 1st player in the draft. A bird in the hand, as they say. Reports were that Atlanta turned down a Jason Thompson for Teague trade earlier in the year. Too bad for the Kings that they did.

PS Teague ran that team about as unselfishly as you could ask for. Unfortunately, his teamates did not follow his lead.
 
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Kingster said:
I liked Teague a lot when I saw him college. Ultra-quick guard. The biggest negative was the question about his attitude and his selfishness. For his second year in the league, with very little previous on-the-court experience he did quite well against Rose. Nobody can deny that. In fact, he was probably the most consistent player on the Atlanta team. Considering his inexperience, I was definitely surprised by his intelligence and poise on the floor. (By the way, there were at least three times where the refs totally screwed the guy on calls, especially when he flat out stole the ball from Rose and Rose ended up near tackling him). Atlanta wouldn't trade the Kings Teague for say the 5th pick in the draft. They might not trade Teague for the 1st player in the draft. A bird in the hand, as they say. Reports were that Atlanta turned down a Jason Thompson for Teague trade earlier in the year. Too bad for the Kings that they did.

PS Teague ran that team about as unselfishly as you could ask for. Unfortunately, his teamates did not follow his lead.
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I don't think anyone had issues with Teague's ballhandling and passing coming out of college. His biggest issue other than attitude at times was his outside jumpshot. And it still is! I'm not saying he won't improve that as time goes on, but I'm glad they turned down the Teague for Thompson trade, if in fact that was actually considered by the Kings. I never believe those rumors unless I hear it from Petrie's mouth. At this moment in time, I think Thompson has more value to this team than Teague would have. If we resign Thornton, we don't need a Teague on the team. And the only way I see another guard being added, is if we draft one because he's the best player available, or we sign one through freeagency for depth and experience off the bench. Someone in the Tony Allen vein.

None of this has anything to do with whether I like Teague or not. He played very well in the playoffs. But thats a very small sampling. We'll have to see how that carries over to next season. Right now, if you put him on the floor with Evans, you would have two guys that offensively, are penetration to the basket scorers. It could get a little crowded in the key at times.
 
bajaden said:
I don't think anyone had issues with Teague's ballhandling and passing coming out of college. His biggest issue other than attitude at times was his outside jumpshot. And it still is! I'm not saying he won't improve that as time goes on, but I'm glad they turned down the Teague for Thompson trade, if in fact that was actually considered by the Kings. I never believe those rumors unless I hear it from Petrie's mouth. At this moment in time, I think Thompson has more value to this team than Teague would have. If we resign Thornton, we don't need a Teague on the team. And the only way I see another guard being added, is if we draft one because he's the best player available, or we sign one through freeagency for depth and experience off the bench. Someone in the Tony Allen vein.

None of this has anything to do with whether I like Teague or not. He played very well in the playoffs. But thats a very small sampling. We'll have to see how that carries over to next season. Right now, if you put him on the floor with Evans, you would have two guys that offensively, are penetration to the basket scorers. It could get a little crowded in the key at times.
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So I guess you wouldnt want Rondo cause he doesnt have a jump shot. :p

I think the interesting part is Petrie tried to get him at the trade deadline.
 
Section 101 said:
So I guess you wouldnt want Rondo cause he doesnt have a jump shot. :p

I think the interesting part is Petrie tried to get him at the trade deadline.
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Well I think Rondo brings a little more to the table than Teague. But, I don't think Rondo is a perfect fit for our team either, with the current offense were running. Rondo's lack of a great jumpshot isn't as much of a liability when he can pass the ball to Allen or Pierce, both of whom can hit the outside shot. In our case he would be passing it to Evans, or Cisco. A bit of a downgrade shooting wise.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I don't remember hearing about that. The Teague/Thompson rumors were in the offseason, what were the trade deadline rumors?
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I agree with you, and to the best of my knowledge, I never heard anything confirmed by the Kings. This I know, Petrie keeps all trades close to the vest, and the last thing he would release is a failed negotiation with the names of the players involved. In almost every case, the trade you hear about is the one thats made. He may express interest in a player from another team, but he'll usually never, if ever, won't say who it is he was going to trade from his own team.
 
bajaden said:
I don't think anyone had issues with Teague's ballhandling and passing coming out of college. His biggest issue other than attitude at times was his outside jumpshot. And it still is! I'm not saying he won't improve that as time goes on, but I'm glad they turned down the Teague for Thompson trade, if in fact that was actually considered by the Kings. I never believe those rumors unless I hear it from Petrie's mouth. At this moment in time, I think Thompson has more value to this team than Teague would have. If we resign Thornton, we don't need a Teague on the team. And the only way I see another guard being added, is if we draft one because he's the best player available, or we sign one through freeagency for depth and experience off the bench. Someone in the Tony Allen vein.

None of this has anything to do with whether I like Teague or not. He played very well in the playoffs. But thats a very small sampling. We'll have to see how that carries over to next season. Right now, if you put him on the floor with Evans, you would have two guys that offensively, are penetration to the basket scorers. It could get a little crowded in the key at times.
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I think the sample size for Teague was plenty. He went against the best point guard in the league. He went at arguably the best defense in the league. In the playoffs. He did quite well, especially for a second year guy who has gotten little playing time. That sample is good enough for me. I don't think his outside shot is that bad. Certainly not as bad as Tyreke's. And, like Tyreke, there's plenty of time for that outside shot to get better (As long as he doesn't use Tyreke's shooting coach). There's a lot to work with there. There's no way I can see Thompson having the same effect in a playoff series against the Bulls as Teague did.
 
Was that really necessary?

rainmaker said:
Hold on, let me get this straight.

Trade our pick, no matter if it's the 1st or 2nd, for Jeff freaking Teague, the same guy who couldn't get on the court with Bibby ahead of him? We don't even know where we'll be picking. Irving, Williams, Knight, Kanter, or..........Teague? What the hell?

Then to follow that brilliant idea up, you think Mem is going to give us Gay for cap space??? We won't even have a 1st rounder to offer if we go by your plan. Gay for cap space? Or are they going to trade Battier to us for cap space, who happens to be a FA. Please explain to me how a team can trade a FA. In the NBA I follow, it isn't possible.

I think when someone makes a thread like this, their thread making capabilities should be revoked.
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I am optimistic we can land 1st or 2nd, but if not Kyrie then yes Teague makes alot of sense it provides two things petries is looking for veteran and play maker. No I don't really consider him a veteran, but more veteran than rookie pg
 
Kingster said:
I think the sample size for Teague was plenty. He went against the best point guard in the league. He went at arguably the best defense in the league. In the playoffs. He did quite well, especially for a second year guy who has gotten little playing time. That sample is good enough for me. I don't think his outside shot is that bad. Certainly not as bad as Tyreke's. And, like Tyreke, there's plenty of time for that outside shot to get better (As long as he doesn't use Tyreke's shooting coach). There's a lot to work with there. There's no way I can see Thompson having the same effect in a playoff series against the Bulls as Teague did.
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So is what your suggesting is that we send Thornton to the bench, and start Teague? Who by the way shot a blistering 14.3% from behind the 3 pt line in the playoff's. Or are you suggesting that we aquire Teague as a backup player to come off the bench? If it the first, then I'm not on board. We would be putting Thornton, who may end up being the best offensive player on the team, and our best 3 pt shooter, on the bench, leaving us with two guards in Evans and Teague, who are poor percentage shooters from the outside. Other teams would just pack the middle and dare us to shoot from the outside.

Mostly, I just don't see a need for Teague. At the moment I'm happy as a clam with Thornton, Evans, and Beno as a three guard rotation. I have no problem with adding some ballhandling depth. Which if we were to draft Knight, would be taken care of. Or through freeagency. But personally I would perfer whomever it is that we aquire, be able to shoot the ball from the outside. We need to be able to spread the floor, whch would help everybody, and make us harder to defend.
 
bajaden said:
So is what your suggesting is that we send Thornton to the bench, and start Teague? Who by the way shot a blistering 14.3% from behind the 3 pt line in the playoff's. Or are you suggesting that we aquire Teague as a backup player to come off the bench? If it the first, then I'm not on board. We would be putting Thornton, who may end up being the best offensive player on the team, and our best 3 pt shooter, on the bench, leaving us with two guards in Evans and Teague, who are poor percentage shooters from the outside. Other teams would just pack the middle and dare us to shoot from the outside.

Mostly, I just don't see a need for Teague. At the moment I'm happy as a clam with Thornton, Evans, and Beno as a three guard rotation. I have no problem with adding some ballhandling depth. Which if we were to draft Knight, would be taken care of. Or through freeagency. But personally I would perfer whomever it is that we aquire, be able to shoot the ball from the outside. We need to be able to spread the floor, whch would help everybody, and make us harder to defend.
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What you call happy as a clam, I call complacency. Until Tyreke shows he's an All-Star player, we need more talent at the guard position as far as I am concerned. When we have good guards on this team, Beno will be either traded or the 4th guard in our rotation.
 
Kingster said:
What you call happy as a clam, I call complacency. Until Tyreke shows he's an All-Star player, we need more talent at the guard position as far as I am concerned. When we have good guards on this team, Beno will be either traded or the 4th guard in our rotation.
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I would hardly call wanting to see how the three guard rotation works for an entire season, instead of just 20 games complacency. How in the hell do you ever get any consistency from a team it you keep constantly changing the parts. Beno was probably the most consistent player on the team last season, and you want to trade him away for what? A player that at the moment can't shoot a lick from the outside. You want to replace experience with inexperience. All based on 10 playoff games. J.T. played outstanding basketball for the last 20 games of the season. How about we give him a new contract based on those 20 games?

We can argue back and forth about this into eternity, and not agree. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. Teague isn't coming here anyway, so its just wasted energy. So I'm done with this discussion..
 
bajaden said:
I would hardly call wanting to see how the three guard rotation works for an entire season, instead of just 20 games complacency. How in the hell do you ever get any consistency from a team it you keep constantly changing the parts. Beno was probably the most consistent player on the team last season, and you want to trade him away for what? A player that at the moment can't shoot a lick from the outside. You want to replace experience with inexperience. All based on 10 playoff games. J.T. played outstanding basketball for the last 20 games of the season. How about we give him a new contract based on those 20 games?

We can argue back and forth about this into eternity, and not agree. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. Teague isn't coming here anyway, so its just wasted energy. So I'm done with this discussion..
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Beno has demonstrated that he's a pretty good guard on a losing team. When you're team is in the bottom five in the league consistent personnel is not something that should be highly valued in your decision making process, especially when you're talking about a bench player.
 
Kingster said:
Beno has demonstrated that he's a pretty good guard on a losing team. When you're team is in the bottom five in the league consistent personnel is not something that should be highly valued in your decision making process, especially when you're talking about a bench player.
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You say that Beno was a pretty good guard on a losing team as though it was his fault it was a losing team, and that it wouldn't translate to being a good guard on a winning team. Think about that for a moment. Where do you think Beno would have the most success as a point guard? On the Kings, surrounded by nothing but young inexperienced players, or on the Lakers, surrounded by a couple of all stars and at least one HOF player. I contend that its easier to look good on a good team than it is on a bad team. As I asked in another thread. How good was Mo Williams after LeBron left?

When your at the bottom of the heap, having a consistent lineup is extremely important. Its the only way you'll ever have any continuity on a team. The players have to know one another well enough to play well together. Otherwise you just have five individuals playing one on one basketball. Now I grant you that you have to have the right players at all the positions. And to some degree, I think the Kings are close to that. The way its susposed to work, is that you bring in a player thats good enough to put one of your starters on the bench. When that happens, your starting lineup just got better, and your bench just got better. When Thornton pushed Beno to the bench, thats exactly what happened on the Kings.

I'm not saying that Beno is irreplacable. What I'am saying, is that if you replace him, it should be with someone thats considerably better, otherwise whats the point? Change just for the sake of change is really a step backwards. You'd be bringing a player thats unfamilar with the Kings players or the system. As an addition to the bench, that would be fine. But as a replacement for an established player, thats an important part of the rotation, it doesn't make sense. Unless, as I said, the replacement player is considerably better than Beno. Which to my mind, Teague isn't! And as I said, I'm done with that arguement.
 
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