Strategy for Game 2 (merged)

bibbinator

bibbinator

Bench
#61
#61
RA shouldn't mess with the line up. Give the starters a chance to atone. The Spurs played exceptionally well, we were off. I expect there to be regression to the mean for both teams in Game 2.

The Spurs are the better overall team, but they're not so much better that they should be able to rout us like they did yesterday on a regular basis.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#62
#62
DaMan said:
But i was in favor in of benching Wells in favor of Martin because puting Wells on the bench would would help bench production and help guard finely, like king4life said. And starting Martin would help spread the floor, which could really help if we decide to post artest down low and the spurs double. And am really hopeing that Martin could play well again, if he started again. So there are reason for my thinking.
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Those are possible outcomes, not guaranteed results. And if the kid starts and isn't able to play against the Spurs starters then what do you do? Return him to the bench and bring Bonzi back in? You do realize that would totally destroy any kind of confidence Martin had built up, right? I just don't see Adelman taking a chance like that.

And sometimes when teams are in desprate postions (which would happen if the kings lose game 2) things need to be done, so if benching wells (which is unlucky) is what should be done then so be it. I would just hope wells, just like sar, takes it like a man and do whats in favor of the team.
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Once again, you're putting the horse before the cart IMHO. We haven't played game 2 yet - let alone won or lost it. You're making an assumption about something that may well not even happen. I guess I just prefer to see a little more reality base in strategy talks. You've stepped well into the "what if" realm that just has too many variables.

Different styles and approaches, I suppose. And the "take it like a man" comment? Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking. It's real easy to make those kinds of statements here from home but you don't want passive players. Bonzi is already working hard for the team. To say you'd bench him and try and convince him it's for the team just wouldn't fly.

But it's all good. And yes, that's why message boards exist.

:D
 
chelle

chelle

Starter
#63
#63
My question is why did they revert to old ways yesterday? Why did they stop playing like a team? I guess the reason why really isn't important, as long as they figure it out before Tuesday and fix it. I want to see them play as a TEAM again.
 
DaMan

DaMan

Starter
#64
#64
VF21 said:
Those are possible outcomes, not guaranteed results. And if the kid starts and isn't able to play against the Spurs starters then what do you do? Return him to the bench and bring Bonzi back in? You do realize that would totally destroy any kind of confidence Martin had built up, right? I just don't see Adelman taking a chance like that.
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I am sorry, other young players have went to the playoffs and failed or succeed. And if martin does get "destoryed" and gets sent back to the bench it all depends on how he reacts to it. He could sit there and say his heart got borken and lose confidence or he could come out and try be the best bench player he could be. If all good players went down after adversity and stayed down they would be no good players.

VF21 said:
But it's all good. And yes, that's why message boards exist.

:D
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Thank u, I know. :)
 
bibbinator

bibbinator

Bench
#65
#65
chelle said:
My question is why did they revert to old ways yesterday? Why did they stop playing like a team?
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Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a shipment, but when you transport something by ship, it's called cargo?

Why to the Kings sometimes completely forget they're a basketball team mid-game? It is just their way. It is beyond our ability to understand.
 
VF21

VF21

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#66
#66
DaMan said:
I am sorry, other young players have went to the playoffs and failed or succeed. And if martin does get "destoryed" and gets sent back to the bench it all depends on how he reacts to it. He could sit there and say his heart got borken and lose confidence or he could come out and try be the best bench player he could be. If all good players went down after adversity and stayed down they would be no good players.
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Okay, now you're just being stubborn. It's not about young players going to the playoffs. It's about young players being put into new roles they simply are most likely not ready to handle.

Name ONE player who has gone to the playoffs as a bench player, been thrust into the spotlight as a starter after his team faltered in the first game, came out and wasn't able to handle the pressure and was again relegated to the bench?

You're creating a massive "what if" scenario. Kevin is in his first playoffs. He is not our starting shooting guard. The ONLY reason he started for a while was because Bonzi Wells was injured. Bonzi isn't injured. You want to experiment, to see if putting him in as a starter because we lost the first game would do anything to improve our chances of winning the second game.

I say again, NO WAY. And I think I've pointed out a number of pretty straight-forward reasons why you wouldn't do it. You, on the other hand, have come back with the all-encompassing "he'd spread the floor more."

This isn't playstation. This is the playoffs. I was honesty trying to give a realistic assessment. We won't agree because you want to play video game GM. We'll simply agree to disagree.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
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#67
#67
bibbinator said:
Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM?

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a shipment, but when you transport something by ship, it's called cargo?

Why to the Kings sometimes completely forget they're a basketball team mid-game? It is just their way. It is beyond our ability to understand.
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I love Steven Wright.

;)
 
kingkung

kingkung

Bench
#68
#68
VF21 said:
Name ONE player who has gone to the playoffs as a bench player, been thrust into the spotlight as a starter after his team faltered in the first game, came out and wasn't able to handle the pressure and was again relegated to the bench?
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Wow, that's really specific.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#69
#69
I was talking specifically about Kevin Martin. DaMan kept trying to make it more general. I'm not talking in generalities. I'm talking about our Kings... Kevin Martin is in his first playoff experience. He wasn't even on the playoff roster last year so this big for him. He is coming in as a backup shooting guard for Bonzi Wells, who is the starting shooting guard.

IF Adelman benched Bonzi just to shake things up, ALL the attention would be on Martin. Every single media hack with press credentials would be after him to get him to talk about his expanded role, they'd ask about the increased pressure as though they thought he might not realize he was in the spotlight, etc. It would be a total zoo.

IF Kevin Martin, under those specific circumstances, wasn't able to live up to the expectations of people like DaMan, who are suggesting this type of move, he would still be the subject of a lot of media attention - but it would be the type NO PLAYER wants to have to deal with during the playoffs, let alone someone in his first post-season series.

DaMan said "lots of young players." I clarified to try and get him to realize it's not about a lot of young players. It's about Kevin Martin.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#70
#70
You've got a proven vet in Bonzi who, BTW, tore up the Spurs during the regular season. You certainly don't panic and throw a kid into the starting lineup after 1 game, especially not after the kid himself struggled mightily in the first game.

There wasn't a single Kings player who made a case to be a starter off Game 1. So, you trot back out the same lineup that beat the Spurs a few weeks back, and you say "play this time".
 
Larry89

Larry89

Disgruntled Kings Fan
#71
#71
The Kings better come and PLAY. They just didnt get blown out in San Antonio, they got flat out embarassed on National Television.
 
MadMKEkf

MadMKEkf

Prospect
#74
#74
Bricklayer said:
You've got a proven vet in Bonzi who, BTW, tore up the Spurs during the regular season. You certainly don't panic and throw a kid into the starting lineup after 1 game, especially not after the kid himself struggled mightily in the first game.

There wasn't a single Kings player who made a case to be a starter off Game 1. So, you trot back out the same lineup that beat the Spurs a few weeks back, and you say "play this time".
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WORD.


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K

King4Life

G-League
#76
#76
Making Martin a starter has less to do with making our starting five better and a lot more to do with making our bench better by having Bonzi there. Bonzi's easily the better player, but the Kings bench was outscored by over 20 points from what I recall. Bonzi will really elevate the bench. Bonzi and Artest are both tough one on one players who are best in the post. Because of their similarities I think it's ok if we decrease the time they play together. Anyhow, this isn't even my main concern. First and foremost, I'd like to see the defensive match-ups changed to Artest-Parker, Martin/Bonzi-Ginobili, and Bibby-Bowen. If that adjustment is made alone, I'll be happy.
 
S

SpursIndonesia

G-League
#78
#78
If Martin has a decent defensive instinct, actually he could be your team Parker stopper. Martin on Tony, as he's taller, long, and quick enough to bother him, Artest on Manu, so Artest can heat up the perimeter duel, and Bibby on Bowen, since you don't need to be quick in guarding Bowen, just some awareness not to leave him alone in the corner would suffice ;).
 
G

Goo

G-League
#79
#79
With Ron not playing in game 2, which line up Rick will go for?
1) Mike/Wells/KT/Reef/miller
2) Mike/KM/Wells/KT/Miller
3) Mike/Wells/Gar/KT/Miller

I would go for 2, It open up the lane with only 1 post player and add 3pt shooting.
 
bibbinator

bibbinator

Bench
#81
#81
This team was able to play the Spurs pretty close pre-Artest.

Maybe we can get something out of the Garcia Martin pairing again? They were awesome while that lasted.
 
tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#83
#83
NEW DEFENSE! line every one up around the paint area. guard it. close out on manu and bowen and let the rest of their starters jack up jump shots all game.
 
bibbinator

bibbinator

Bench
#85
#85
twocents said:
i am wondering what might happen if the whole team was penalized for flagrant-2 fouls.
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Ain't gonna happen. The Kings are a multi-million dollar business. The Maloofs aren't going to throw the franchise away over this.
 
K

King4Life

G-League
#86
#86
It's either going to be Bibby/Wells/Martin/KT/Miller or Bibby/Wells/Garcia/KT/Miller. I'll go with Martin in the starting line-up. Have him guard Parker, Bibby on Bowen, and Bonzi on Ginobili.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#87
#87
1) Start Kevin. Who Knows how that goes, and it makes things much tougher on Bonzi (who now has Bowen on him). But it could also be a breakthrough moment in Kevin's career if he can show well.

2) Win one for the TruWarrior. Or at least bust your *** trying.

3) Ron has to keep his own head. A whole lot of adversity has come down the pipeline at him all at once. He can't let it get in his head.

4) You have two options for defending the perimeter -- either play it straight and see how Kevin does matching Manu's athleticism (but not saavy), or try kevin on Parker to slow him down, have Bonzi bang Manu around, and hide Mike on Bowen. We NEVER do that, but against this team, its possible.

5) Pull the kids aside before the game and tell them this is their chance. Maybe even more than Kevin, Cisco could be an enormous difference maker if he was able to reach back and find one of those long armed hustling shotblocking racing aroudn the court havoc games. Haven't seen that player in a long time though.

6) Composure. Somebody has to pull us together and make sure we keep it. If we get too chippy, too vengeful, things could get ugly and fall apart for us.
 
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tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#88
#88
quit standing around. when we run the pick and roll, we MUST come off the picks hard. it'll force the spurs to give up an open shot or be put in a mix&match situation. we must attack. dont be afraid to shoot the ball. miller was a little hesitant saturday. he must show no fear
 
quick dog

quick dog

Starter
#89
#89
I am afraid that the officiating will continue to be inconsistent. If the Spurs are allowed to slide under our jump-shooters, throw themselves into our forwards, and throw hip-check screens, the Kings are done. The kings apparently can not retaliate. It feels like a Game 6 situation.

I'll bet our players were hit with 50 forearms in that game.
 
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