Stojakovic @b92.net

[ReinadelosReys]

The thing about Peja on the court that people tend to overlook a lot is no matter if he's 0-7 or 7-12 from beyond the arc he is a perimeter theat that teams have to honor whenever he is on the floor. I have become very accoustomed to that...I'm sure Webber, Bibby and everyone else have too. That has to make everything they want to do on the court that much easier.

He can sit and pout, lose interest or whatever, but as long as he is on the court and at least appears to be alive it is an advantage to the Kings....now everything other than that is a different story.

 

[VF21]

Stojakovic - Back before the crash, we had some threads about Pedja and Vlade winning the World Championships for Serbia. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that their hunger was sated with that win, which I understand is considered to be the ultimate prize for a lot of European players.

If that is indeed the case, then we may just have to accept that Pedja isn't going to regain his previous levels no matter what. The driving force propelling him may have changed irrevocably.

I don't know if it's unprofessional. I know it's a different perspective. All I personally ask of Pedja is that he give the Kings as much as he has to give - and not be holding back because he really wants to be somewhere else.

It's a complex situation. We here in the US want all the players who come here to desire the NBA ring more than anything else. Other people don't necessarily view it in the same awe as we do. Right? Wrong? I don't know.

 

[bdouble013]

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[bibbyweb]

It doesn't matter as far as the credible issue is concern.We look at things diferently,but webb and everyone else caved in last night coach included,Webber just did whodini on everyone by going out the side EXIT.He didn't want to play last night,He hurt his ankle on his own footing.I have heard several coaches players elude to players becoming so tense they injure themselves.I will find a few desriptions of what Iam talking about,How a players fear works against themselves.But peja doesn't get of the hook he could have shown some leadership,But if you rip peja ya better look at Chris webber.

I just read a few of ur posts and I have to appretiate ur creativity. I think that you should try a hand at fiction.

Yeah I am highly impressed with ur psychological analysis of an ankle injury.
Sure a player who nearly lead us past the Lakers when they were at their very best, must be really tensed during a regular season game.

 

[slugking50]

What a great thread. From WTH to ROTF laughter. You get everything in this thread.

Long thread though...... sheesh...

 

[PejaFanatic]

Stop the Madness!!!

This thread is getting too long and I ain't gonna read it. ^_^

 

[bozzwell]

I thought about posting a seperate thread for this a few weeks back, but I ended up not posting at all. Vladimir Radmanovic was recently interviewed and asked something along the lines of "how nice would it be to get the NBA ring this year with Seattle" , and he responded with "forget the ring...nothing would make me happier than winning the European Championships with the national team this year."

I wonder what the Sonics response would be if they found out he actually said that. That's pretty unprofessional, but a lot of players coming over from Europe have that mentality.

Radman is a headcase.

 

[piksi]

Radman is a headcase.

Why ?

They play at Home. They do not want to be 2nd. If they win - that would be a never ending party in Belgrade.

 

[sloter]

You guys ave a long way to go to where we have allready been.

BTW - when was the last time You scored on us ? Ask Youur grandfather - he might remember

I don't think you answered my question. And maybe your grandfather remembers Red Star's moments, but I feel sorry that you didn't experience anything like that in your lifetime.

 

[starks]

Brick said:"Peja has NOT brought his best this season."...but who does?....I don't understand why you guys make such big deal about peja's interview...apparantly, peja is our best defensive player and pepole have tendency to underestimete that fact

 

[bozzwell]

Why ?

1. Indianapolis - I don't know what exactly happened nor do I care. I heard too many conflicting versions to be able to discern what was Radman's fault and what wasn't his fault.

2. Did you get to see any Sonics games this year? Radman could be 3 times NBA player that Pedja is if he could just be consistent (I said NBA player, not Basketball player in general).

Maybe he is not a headcase in a "classical sense" but he does annoy me as much as if he was one.

They play at Home. They do not want to be 2nd. If they win - that would be a never ending party in Belgrade.

That goes without saying that your country should come first. However, FIBA competitions were devalued in my mind when USA and Serbia stopped sending their best to the WC' and EC's respectively. I don't care about any other countries so I don't really know how much it all detracts from the quality of WC/EC tournaments as a whole.

The question was something about how much would he like an NBA ring and he answered that he would much prefer to win Euro championship. What is up with that? What's wrong with winning both? In the same year. ANd why even bring Euro torunament if you weren't explicitly asked?

Having said that, I would need to see the original interview, but he does annoy me as I see him as someone who is wasting their talent.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick said:"Peja has NOT brought his best this season."...but who does?....I don't understand why you guys make such big deal about peja's interview...apparantly, peja is our best defensive player and pepole have tendency to underestimete that fact

Peja is a solid man on man defender at this point. He is NOT a stopper though. Nor is he a defensive catalyst for the whole team. In fact his team defense is generally weak - he neither plays the passing lanes, rotates strongly, nor is even a remote threat to block or alter anybody's shot. Its good that he has improved over the years and can now take care of his man on defense, but its not even a remote excuse or set off for uninspired play. In fact as a general rule, when he's just going through the motions out there, his defense ain't so hot either.

But its not about whether he's a good defender or a bad one. Its about whether he's trying his hardest. And he's not. Not unless he's getting worse and more sluggish every year. And that's not acceptable no matter who you are.

 

[starks]

Bleep, I don't know how to post brick's quote but anyway..... I agree that Peja is not top defender in NBA and I didn't say that.....but in this team, he is the best.....but generally my impression is that whole team did not played 100% this season……and what you said about peja and his performance I can say the same thing for biby and brad….

 

[bball]

Are you guys blind?

I am sorry to rain on Kings, but after reading all the posts in this thread I've gotta tell you this:

Before an injury, CV was top forward in the league, but ever since he is not/nor will ever be the half of a player he used to be. It is sad to see him limping on the floor. He distrupted the chemistry of the team last year by his return from IL. I remember when Hedo, Vlade, Doug were here that chemistry on the court and on the bench was amazing, and the Kings game reflected that. Now, there is nothing going on, and, chemistry you do not build; it is there or not. That is why I do not understand CV: "I don't remember when I had so much fun around here"????
How about, before your injury CV (because he couldn't enjoy great time for the time while injured/not playing).
Second, Peja is not happy in Sactown anymore. he gave an interview on Toronto TV(serbian tv), and he still looks to be traded because the team has had its peak, and it is time to move on. Plus, CV commenting on Peja (last summer) killed his desire to play with CV. His lack of desire keeps him playing bellow his potential. and I don't think he worked out last summer.
Bystander, like myself, can easily tell you guys that Sacramento can't play against top teams in the NBA today. It can hurt you (you might call me the names), but that is the truth.
Maloof's should do the trade and start rebuilding the team. This team will never rebuild the chemistry needed to go over the top.

Have a nice day
BBall

 

[vj9999]

Bleep, I don't know how to post brick's quote but anyway..... I agree that Peja is not top defender in NBA and I didn't say that.....but in this team, he is the best.....but generally my impression is that whole team did not played 100% this season……and what you said about peja and his performance I can say the same thing for biby and brad….

In the lower right corner of every post there is a "Quote" button. Click on it an it will let you quote that post in your reply.

 

[vj9999]

I am sorry to rain on Kings, but after reading all the posts in this thread I've gotta tell you this:

Before an injury, CV was top forward in the league, but ever since he is not/nor will ever be the half of a player he used to be. It is sad to see him limping on the floor. He distrupted the chemistry of the team last year by his return from IL. I remember when Hedo, Vlade, Doug were here that chemistry on the court and on the bench was amazing, and the Kings game reflected that. Now, there is nothing going on, and, chemistry you do not build; it is there or not. That is why I do not understand CV: "I don't remember when I had so much fun around here"????
How about, before your injury CV (because he couldn't enjoy great time for the time while injured/not playing).
Second, Peja is not happy in Sactown anymore. he gave an interview on Toronto TV(serbian tv), and he still looks to be traded because the team has had its peak, and it is time to move on. Plus, CV commenting on Peja (last summer) killed his desire to play with CV. His lack of desire keeps him playing bellow his potential. and I don't think he worked out last summer.
Bystander, like myself, can easily tell you guys that Sacramento can't play against top teams in the NBA today. It can hurt you (you might call me the names), but that is the truth.
Maloof's should do the trade and start rebuilding the team. This team will never rebuild the chemistry needed to go over the top.

Have a nice day
BBall

Welcome. It is your truth. My truth is different. Who is CV by the way (sorry for the sarcasm, I know you meant CW).

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[#1sacfan]

Peja is a solid man on man defender at this point. He is NOT a stopper though. Nor is he a defensive catalyst for the whole team. In fact his team defense is generally weak - he neither plays the passing lanes, rotates strongly, nor is even a remote threat to block or alter anybody's shot. Its good that he has improved over the years and can now take care of his man on defense, but its not even a remote excuse or set off for uninspired play. In fact as a general rule, when he's just going through the motions out there, his defense ain't so hot either.

But its not about whether he's a good defender or a bad one. Its about whether he's trying his hardest. And he's not. Not unless he's getting worse and more sluggish every year. And that's not acceptable no matter who you are.

Getting worse every year?? Well then I guess Pedja being 2nd in scoring in the NBA last year was worst then the year before when he was what, 15th in scoring? The problems that Pedja has is not that he has stopped caring, rather he will stop trying as hard when he does not get the ball. I have watched many games this year where he is cutting hard, running around to get the ball and basically gets totally ignored. Anybody who has played basketball knows that if they get into a situation such as this that they are likely to get a disinterested as well. There are times when he will not see the ball for 4-5 minutes straight and we are talking about the best pure shooter in the league. It has been shown that when Pedja is involved and used as our main offensive weapon we are basically unbeatable because he is very efficient. When he is not the main weapon then results tend to be mixed.

The best thing for the Kings is a good mix of Pedja, CWebb, Bibby, Brad, and Mobely with Pedja and CWebb being the main weapons.

 

[Heuge]

Welcome. It is your truth. My truth is different. Who is CV by the way (sorry for the sarcasm, I know you meant CW).

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While I think Bball's comments are wrong, based on a misrepresentation of the facts ,since when is truth such a goo-y word. Only one thing can be completely true. Semantics may be different but the truth remains absolute...oh, bother.

 

[#1sacfan]

Bleep, I don't know how to post brick's quote but anyway..... I agree that Peja is not top defender in NBA and I didn't say that.....but in this team, he is the best.....but generally my impression is that whole team did not played 100% this season……and what you said about peja and his performance I can say the same thing for biby and brad….

Hey Starks you are relatively new here so let me clue you in, Brick does not like Pedja and cuts him down every chance he gets. I dont like the way Webber uses his talents (very talented bball player) so I cut him down. You will get use to it. Oh and he will respond to this by saying that he praises Pedja and likes him. It is part of the textbook procedure.

 

[vj9999]

While I think Bball's comments are wrong, based on a misrepresentation of the facts ,since when is truth such a goo-y word. Only one thing can be completely true. Semantics may be different but the truth remains absolute...oh, bother.

What I was refering to is that he said " It can hurt you (you might call me the names), but that is the truth."
Sorry, but what he said doesn't sound like the truth to me. IT is his interpretation of the situation, an opinion, but not the truth.

I understand my post was a bit sarcastic (and very unlike my usual posts) so I appologize for that.

 

[Heuge]

Hey Starks you are relatively new here so let me clue you in, Brick does not like Pedja and cuts him down every chance he gets. I dont like the way Webber uses his talents (very talented bball player) so I cut him down. You will get use to it. Oh and he will respond to this by saying that he praises Pedja and likes him. It is part of the textbook procedure.

Hopefully you won't get used to it because most of us find this Webber and Pedja bashing tiresome and overused. Here is to discussions on the Sacramento Kings as opposed to the fans contrived battle for supremacy between WSebb and Pedja.

 

[Heuge]

What I was refering to is that he said " It can hurt you (you might call me the names), but that is the truth."
Sorry, but what he said doesn't sound like the truth to me. IT is his interpretation of the situation, an opinion, but not the truth.

I understand my post was a bit sarcastic (and very unlike my usual posts) so I appologize for that.

No apology needed at all. I understand what you were saying. You do not need to mask the fact that you were completely right behind it is your interpretation. He was wrong, you were right. Your opinion had facts on your side, his had conjecture.

 

[bball]

My apology for refering to CW as CV, but other then that, I've given you my view of Kings this year.
And who can tell me that CW is as half good as before the injury. Also, who can tell me there is chemistry on this team. And Peja, up in his head he is gone (I live in TO, and I watched his interview, since I understand Serbian).
Only hardcore fan (which most of you guys here are) would neglect above stated.
I loved to watch Sac in the last 3-4 years, but right now they are just good team playing boring basketball, nothing more.
All I wanted to do is to give you view on this team by the NBA fan not emotionaly tied to Sac.
I know that real fans will allways stick with the team, but don't expect much this year guys.

 

[Heuge]

And who can tell me that CW is as half good as before the injury.

If he is not as half as good as he was before he was injured and he is averaging 21pg 10rb 5 ast, then he is a basketball god.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Chris Webber is at least half as good as before the injury and the team has no chemistry problems.

 

[KP]

What else can he do??

If he is not as half as good as he was before he was injured and he is averaging 21pg 10rb 5 ast, then he is a basketball god.

Yeah^^ I mean come on C-Webb is coming off a 7 game stretch where he avg. 28 pts. 13 rebs and over 6 assists with 50% shooting and over 90% free throws. I think it's safe to say bball doesn't watch every game...

 

[BBallGrl15]

My apology for refering to CW as CV, but other then that, I've given you my view of Kings this year.
And who can tell me that CW is as half good as before the injury. Also, who can tell me there is chemistry on this team. And Peja, up in his head he is gone (I live in TO, and I watched his interview, since I understand Serbian).
Only hardcore fan (which most of you guys here are) would neglect above stated.
I loved to watch Sac in the last 3-4 years, but right now they are just good team playing boring basketball, nothing more.
All I wanted to do is to give you view on this team by the NBA fan not emotionaly tied to Sac.
I know that real fans will allways stick with the team, but don't expect much this year guys.

When you say emotionally tied are you referring to people who live in Sac?

 

[bball]

Numbers can be very misleading.

Peja is over 20 ppg, are you saying that he is playing as good as last year.
And, you obviously don't remember CW before the injury.

Last, I watch 3-4 games per day, for the last 5 years, but that just tells that I am lazy NBA couch potato.

 

[bball]

No bballgrl15, fans are fans. they can live anywhere, and still be hard core fans.

 

[KP]

Numbers can be very misleading.

Peja is over 20 ppg, are you saying that he is playing as good as last year.
And, you obviously don't remember CW before the injury.

Last, I watch 3-4 games per day, for the last 5 years, but that just tells that I am lazy NBA couch potato.

I didn't say over 20 pts! I said 28 pts 13 rebounds 6 assists 50 % shooting and 90 % free throws. Numbers like that don't lie. I watch a lot of games on LP too, but the only team I watch every game they play, is the Kings. I was just saying you couldn't have watched every Kings game this year and made your statement. It's not just Kings fans either, It's starting to be known around the league. Say what you want about the team as a whole,(that we can debate) but C-Webb has def. put in the work and altered his game and is starting to reassert himself on the court. I mean when is the last time you saw C-Webb shooting almost 80 % from the line halfway thru the season?