So, Who's Disappointed and Might Need a Vet

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An interesting sidelight to the playoffs this year if you are a Kings fan has been watching various teams suffer disappointments which may very well put them in the market for the sort of veteran junk that I hope to god we are peddling this offseason. Always easiest to deal with a disappointed team looking to make moves:

My list:

1) Lakers -- Kobe is sqawking very loudly about how he wants to win NOW, wants them to build a contender NOW, and while dealing with the Lakers, in particular to give them the tools to win NOW is always tricky, they have a draft pick, Bynum, Farmar and a handful of other young guys that mayeb just maybe could be ont eh market for veteran help.

2) Rockets -- clearly need a PG and a PF, and just as clearly have no use for a raw young guy. They are going to want in their prime vets, as they did last year when they nabbed Battier. Unfortunately our PFs suck, but you never know, the Rockets are maybe one of two or theree teams in even worse shape there than us. And given their style of play, maybe you could convicne them that Brad would complete the slowest lineup in the league as a PF. And at PG, well, defense aside, Rafer <<<< Bibby. They have a low pick, various middling young OGs, and not much else.

3) Miami -- the question in Miami will be whether Riles thinks the Wade/Shaq core has another run in it with the right surrounding players. The real interesting thing is that they may have already had some interest in two or three of our major players (Bibby, Artest, Reef) and happen to have holes opening up on their roster at precisely SF and PG. They have a middle pick and an interesting kid at SF (Dorell Wright).

4) Washington -- well, their season was scuttled by injury of course. But this looks like the offseason where they clearly finally have to clean up that brawling center duo of Etan Thomas and Haywood. Supposedly Haywood's nameplate was gone from his locker almost as soon as the season ended.

5) Mavs -- you never know down in Cuban land. He says he's going tokeep it together, but its hard to imagine them passing up on an extra guy to strengthen/freshen the squad after that debacle.

6) Nuggets -- are entering salary hell now and may be looking to shed salaries. Unfortunately whatever shot there was at Nene appears gone now with him blossoming, and they effectively might become a competitor of ours by trying to shed various veteran contracts (Najera, Evans, maybe Camby) themselves.

7) Suns -- are also due to enter salary hell next season with big extensions for Diaw and Barbossa kicking in. Figure something has to give there, win or lose for them. Might be a chance at a deal, maybe, if we can take back a little more salary than we give up.

8) Magic -- actually the biggest change in Magicland may be their coach. But they have openings at both OG and SF, and may even be looking to upgrade the PG spot. Of course they are still young, and would be unlikely to take our stodgy old vets in return. In fact the most likely Kings guy who might end up there might be Rick Adelman, who could be the ideal coach to take that squad to the next level.

9) Timberwolves -- and of course this all depends on what they plan to do with KG. Reports vary of course. The owner saying no, now Mo Evans, a friend of KGs, apparently parroting for him and saying he wants out. But if they ARE going to keep him, and have any chance at it being a happy marriage, you would think they would just HAVE to make moves to win now, as in right now, while KG still has some gas left. They have a good pick, Randy Foye, and more bad contracts than you could shake your hat at. Bibby or Brad could be possibilities.

10) Clippers -- disappointed, and pissed off Brand in the process, who made remarks about only wanting people who were going to leave it on the floor out there next year. Again, both Ron and Mike have been linked there in the past. Unfortunately Livingston is no longer a consideration of course, Kaman is a ? Do have a late lottery pick. Also still have a cheap owner, so who knows.
 
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9) Timberwolves -- and of course this all depends on what they plan to do with KG. Reports vary of course. The woenre saying no, now Mo Evans, a friend of KGs, apparently parroting for him and saying he wants out. But if they ARE going to keep him, and have any chance at it being a happy marriage, you would think they would just HAVE to make moves to win now, as in right now, while KG still has some gas left. They have a good pick, Randy Foye, and more bad contracts than you could shake your hat at. Bobby or Brad could be possibilities.

More than Ron, more than Kenny, more than Bibby, more than anybody... I would like to be rid of Brad Miller and his salary. If the Wolves think he can help them - get something done Geoff...
 
Was thinking about making a similar thread in the personnell forum, then stumble upon this little dandy. Perfect.

Was just reading Yao's quotes about their poor rebounding. Poor enough to be willing to bing Kenny Thomas back home to help on the boards? With the Van Gundy situation in flux, they may just be desperate enough. They also seem to need another scorer badly, so Reef could be an option too. Of course Bibby, but they don't have that much that would interest me there, unless there was a 3-team deal somewhere. Sura and Spanoulis could form a nice $6 million expiring package, and the 26th pick wouldn't hurt. Not enough for Bibby, but I'll gladly take that for KT or SAR.

As for Miami, I wouldn't be surprised if either Bibby or Artest was in a Heat uniform next season. The $12 million expiring package of J-Will and Doleac with #20 is a good starting point, and matches right up with Bibby's salary. Not sure if we could get better value for Bibby from a team like the Lakers (Odom/Farmar?). Doubt we could get Bynum (esp. if they wouldn't trade him for Kidd), but if we did, it could be a coup.
 
As for Miami, I wouldn't be surprised if either Bibby or Artest was in a Heat uniform next season. The $12 million expiring package of J-Will and Doleac with #20 is a good starting point, and matches right up with Bibby's salary. Not sure if we could get better value for Bibby from a team like the Lakers (Odom/Farmar?). Doubt we could get Bynum (esp. if they wouldn't trade him for Kidd), but if we did, it could be a coup.

I don't think Petrie is going to trade Mike for J-Will again..as far as the Lakers, I read that nobody (except Kobe) is off limits. Especially since this year, Kobe has made it really clear that he wants to win NOW...I would love to get Farmar and Bynum from them.
 
I don't think Petrie is going to trade Mike for J-Will again..as far as the Lakers, I read that nobody (except Kobe) is off limits. Especially since this year, Kobe has made it really clear that he wants to win NOW...I would love to get Farmar and Bynum from them.


There's a problem though...I don't think the Kings have anything the Lakers would want for either of those 2. :)
 
True, but if they're willing to shop Farmar and Bynum, I would think they could even get in Jermaine O'Neal territory, and wouldn't have to settle for Bibby. Salmons, IMO, would actually be a better fit at the PG for them in the Triangle, but not sure who we want from them in such a swap.
 
An interesting sidelight to the playoffs this year if you are a Kings fan has been watching various teams suffer disappointments which may very well put them in the market for the sort of veteran junk that I hope to god we are peddling this offseason. Always easiest to deal with a disappointed team looking to make moves:

My list:

1) Lakers -- Kobe is sqawking very loudly about how he wants to win NOW, wants them to build a contender NOW, and while dealing with the Lakers, in particular to give them the tools to win NOW is always tricky, they have a draft pick, Bynum, Farmar and a handful of other young guys that mayeb just maybe could be ont eh market for veteran help.

2) Rockets -- clearly need a PG and a PF, and just as clearly have no use for a raw young guy. They are going to want in their prime vets, as they did last year when they nabbed Battier. Unfortunately our PFs suck, but you never know, the Rockets are maybe one of two or theree teams in even worse shape there than us. And given their style of play, maybe you could convicne them that Brad would complete the slowest lineup in the league as a PF. And at PG, well, defense aside, Rafer <<<< Bibby. They have a low pick, various middling young OGs, and not much else.

3) Miami -- the question in Miami will be whether Riles thinks the Wade/Shaq core has another run in it with the right surrounding players. The real interesting thing is that they may have already had some interest in two or three of our major players (Bibby, Artest, Reef) and happen to have holes opening up on their roster at precisely SF and PG. They have a middle pick and an interesting kid at SF (Dorell Wright).

4) Washington -- well, their season was scuttled by injury of course. But this looks like the offseason where they clearly finally have to clean up that brawling center duo of Etan Thomas and Haywood. Supposedly Haywood's nameplate was gone from his locker almost as soon as the season ended.

5) Mavs -- you never know down in Cuban land. He says he's going tokeep it together, but its hard to imagine them passing up on an extra guy to strengthen/freshen the squad after that debacle.

6) Nuggets -- are entering salary hell now and may be looking to shed salaries. Unfortunately whatever shot there was at Nene appears gone now with him blossoming, and they effectively might become a competitor of ours by trying to shed various veteran contracts (Najera, Evans, maybe Camby) themselves.

7) Suns -- are also due to enter salary hell next season with big extensions for Diaw and Barbossa kicking in. Figure something has to give there, win or lose for them. Might be a chance at a deal, maybe, if we can take back a little more salary than we give up.

8) Magic -- actually the biggest change in Magicland may be their coach. But they have openings at both OG and SF, and may even be looking to upgrade the PG spot. Of course they are still young, and would be unlikely to take our stodgy old vets in return. In fact the most likely Kings guy who might end up there might be Rick Adelman, who could be the ideal coach to take that squad to the next level.

9) Timberwolves -- and of course this all depends on what they plan to do with KG. Reports vary of course. The owner saying no, now Mo Evans, a friend of KGs, apparently parroting for him and saying he wants out. But if they ARE going to keep him, and have any chance at it being a happy marriage, you would think they would just HAVE to make moves to win now, as in right now, while KG still has some gas left. They have a good pick, Randy Foye, and more bad contracts than you could shake your hat at. Bibby or Brad could be possibilities.

10) Clippers -- disappointed, and pissed off Brand in the process, who made remarks about only wanting people who were going to leave it on the floor out there next year. Again, both Ron and Mike have been linked there in the past. Unfortunately Livingston is no longer a consideration of course, Kaman is a ? Do have a late lottery pick. Also still have a cheap owner, so who knows.


Until I see Nene putting up 20 and 10 on a nightly basis I wouldn't even touch that contract. He is making near max level money.
 
Was thinking about making a similar thread in the personnell forum, then stumble upon this little dandy. Perfect.

Was just reading Yao's quotes about their poor rebounding. Poor enough to be willing to bing Kenny Thomas back home to help on the boards? With the Van Gundy situation in flux, they may just be desperate enough. They also seem to need another scorer badly, so Reef could be an option too. Of course Bibby, but they don't have that much that would interest me there, unless there was a 3-team deal somewhere. Sura and Spanoulis could form a nice $6 million expiring package, and the 26th pick wouldn't hurt. Not enough for Bibby, but I'll gladly take that for KT or SAR.

As for Miami, I wouldn't be surprised if either Bibby or Artest was in a Heat uniform next season. The $12 million expiring package of J-Will and Doleac with #20 is a good starting point, and matches right up with Bibby's salary. Not sure if we could get better value for Bibby from a team like the Lakers (Odom/Farmar?). Doubt we could get Bynum (esp. if they wouldn't trade him for Kidd), but if we did, it could be a coup.

With the Rockets, the thing they keep saying is the need to get younger. So we don't need Juwan Howard II in SAR or KT who we already had once.

But Bibby, hey they'd do a lot to get him but I don't think we have anything we can trade. BTW in reference to the first post, the correct diagram is Bibby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rafer
 
I also think that if Minny want to keep KG and he wants to stay, then Ron would be of some interest to them.

Also don't write off NY as a party that could express some real interest in Artest.
 
NICE thread.

Lakers - won't give up Bynum. I'm not with Jerry Reynolds on Farmer. Yes, he definitely can jump. He is intelligent. Pretty good passer. Shooting will get better with time and practice. He is tough. But his lateral quickness is below average for the NBA. I really want a pg with more lateral quickness and speed than he has. We already have a pg who can't play defense.

Rockets? Like you imply, what have they got (other than the big duo) that we would want?

Miami - I think the key with Miami is to not just think about this year's draft pick - think about next year's and the year after that. I like the Wright kid and I like the idea of this year's #1 pick, but if we get a number one pick the following year or the year after we could have a pretty high number 1 because Shaq and Alonzo will both be gone. If there are any other teams out there like Miami that are on the cusp of demolition, I really like the idea of getting a #1 pick after a year or two when they are in full fledged decline - kind of like the Kings.

Mavs - Will DEFINITELY want a low post scorer after the Golden State debacle. I'm not sure they are desperate enough though to take SAR.

Washington - I don't have much interest in what they would be offering.

Nuggets - No interest in what they would be offering. Like you say, Nene is off the table.

Orlando - The only thing that interests me is their #1 pick.

Minn - I like Foye a lot. If they really are crazy enough to "live for the now", then I'd trade Bibby, Brad, SAR, whomever that is 26 years or older to them for Foye and their #1 and a future #1 two to three years from now, by which time they will have imploded.

Suns - For some reason, they liked Salmons, but I doubt they deal with the Kings. For the Suns to have such a high #1 this year is "sick".

Clipps - In my dreams I would have the Magettee-Artest deal happen. Clipps would also give up their 2009 #1 because by that time Artest will be out of the league and the Clipps would be scraping off the bottom.
 
i kinda pray that the hawks get the #3 pick... the suns shouldnt get that #4...

but the teams that would be nice to deal with would be the lakers and magic... i doubt that teams will be dishing out tons of cash for darko... so trading artest to the lakers for brown, farmar and #19 then reef and douby to olando for darko would be nice... atlanta is another team that would be nice with their need for a pg... and their abundance of athletic swingmen...

we could draft a pg with our pick, a back up sf with the #19... and shop bibby, thomas and miller during the season...

bibby/conley/farmar
martin/garcia
slamons/#19/garcia
darko/thomas/williams
miller/brown

that team minus thomas, miller and maybe bibby would in the same mold as the warriors except much bigger... with enough offense and rebounding to match up pretty well with just about anyteam in the league. we couldnt win it all but we could give the top teams a damn good fight...
 
Magic may be willing to S&T Darko rather than overpay him (although not for SAR and Douby) and Lakers and Miami may also be feeling the heat as well to make a move (pun intended).
 
Magic may be willing to S&T Darko rather than overpay him (although not for SAR and Douby) and Lakers and Miami may also be feeling the heat as well to make a move (pun intended).

orlando is gonna need some sort of low post scorer to go with howard and i dont know of many free agent fit that bill... or of any other bigs on their roster at all... whos on that team?

they need a sg, a pf and a bench... i cant think of their bench outside of arroyo... man who is on this team?

the lakers need artest... kobe wants to win now and walton at sf isnt going to do it... they have turiaf and vlad... but they need a pg too... they dont want smush, so i dont know why everyone on lakersground.net think they should trade farmar with brown. but whatever...

i thought about the idea of a 3 team trade that would send artest to the lakers, brown to the magic and darko here but i wouldnt want to pay darko that much money... maybe if arroyo was part of the package too...
 
orlando is gonna need some sort of low post scorer to go with howard and i dont know of many free agent fit that bill... or of any other bigs on their roster at all... whos on that team?

they need a sg, a pf and a bench... i cant think of their bench outside of arroyo... man who is on this team?

the lakers need artest... kobe wants to win now and walton at sf isnt going to do it... they have turiaf and vlad... but they need a pg too... they dont want smush, so i dont know why everyone on lakersground.net think they should trade farmar with brown. but whatever...

i thought about the idea of a 3 team trade that would send artest to the lakers, brown to the magic and darko here but i wouldnt want to pay darko that much money... maybe if arroyo was part of the package too...
On the bench, I think Ariza, Arroyo and Darko are their 3 key reserves and a solid 3 man core.

Arroyo is earning $4 million and if you want to get Arroyo and Darko then the most you would be giving Darko is just under $5 million. He is earning more this year and he will easily be getting between $7-8 million on the open market.

If we want Darko then thats teh price range we would need to fork out to get him. Anything less than that and we are living in a fantasy land.
 
Wizards?

They need some help up front and some depth as well....

Kings deal:
Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, John Salmons

Wizards deal:
Jamison, Haywood
 
Be nice, but unfortunately its very hard to see the Wiz trading Jamison for Brad Miller.

And as an aside, when a team goes looking for help up front, we would have to be just about the last stop I would think. Which team exactly watched us play this year and said about our frontcorut "now what we need is a little of that!"
 
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On the bench, I think Ariza, Arroyo and Darko are their 3 key reserves and a solid 3 man core.

Arroyo is earning $4 million and if you want to get Arroyo and Darko then the most you would be giving Darko is just under $5 million. He is earning more this year and he will easily be getting between $7-8 million on the open market.

If we want Darko then thats teh price range we would need to fork out to get him. Anything less than that and we are living in a fantasy land.

reef/salmons/douby for darko/carlos....

thats whats up.....
 
1) Lakers -- This is one team I can see us giving a player to... OK maybe not GIVE... But Maybe a Bibby package, w/ a third team helping?

2) Rockets -- I am thinking they will probally shore up some of the bench play, and might have some play in the PG trade dept. I can see them going after Bibby as well, but not Brad.

3) Miami -- Artest... No question. If I could move Artest it would be to Miami. Get him as far away frmo us as possible. I can see them being in the market for a PG as well.

7) Suns -- Give the Suns K-Mart, and I will take their pick :)

8) Magic -- Give me Hedo back at SF, and I will give them Artest. Plus I would want to dump a contract on them as well, and they can dump a short term on us.
 
2) Rockets -- I am thinking they will probally shore up some of the bench play, and might have some play in the PG trade dept. I can see them going after Bibby as well, but not Brad.

I could definitely see the Rockets being very interested in Bibby, but they don't have anybody we'd want outside of Yao and McGrady, and I really don't even want either of them at this point.

3) Miami -- Artest... No question. If I could move Artest it would be to Miami. Get him as far away frmo us as possible. I can see them being in the market for a PG as well.

Miami could definitely use Bibby or Artest, but Bibby probably isn't really what Riley is looking for, and Artest is a dangerous guy to put on a team that's looking to win a championship NOW.

7) Suns -- Give the Suns K-Mart, and I will take their pick :)

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What pick do the Suns have that would be worth Kevin Martin? Are they due a lottery pick from another team or something?
 
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What pick do the Suns have that would be worth Kevin Martin? Are they due a lottery pick from another team or something?


Yes -- Atlanta's.

Still think it would be dicey though. If Atlanta gets #1-#3 they get to keep the pick. So you would be talking about #4 or #5 basically. And would not be surprised at all if in this draft there were one or more players at that pick who turn out to be more valuable than Kevin. But you have to pick right -- you have a young 20ppg scorer in hand, unless you are getting Durant/Oden (which obviously you would not)...you have to be sure. A 20ppg big is considerably more valuable than a 20ppg OG, but you have to pick one.
 
I think Orlando is the most likely trading partner in the "might need a vet" category. There are quite a few teams would want Bibby, Miller, etc., but they don't have anything to offer us. Chicago will have a high pick and some pieces, but we probably don't have anything they'd want all that badly. Maybe Shareef, but doubtful he'd fetch much.

Orlando is in the sweet spot -- they have some intriguing pieces to trade, some cap space, and they badly need veterans at the point and on the wings.

There are many possibilities. Some form of a S&T Darko for Bibby makes a lot of sense for both sides.
 
Yes -- Atlanta's.

Still think it would be dicey though. If Atlanta gets #1-#3 they get to keep the pick. So you would be talking about #4 or #5 basically. And would not be surprised at all if in this draft there were one or more players at that pick who turn out to be more valuable than Kevin. But you have to pick right -- you have a young 20ppg scorer in hand, unless you are getting Durant/Oden (which obviously you would not)...you have to be sure. A 20ppg big is considerably more valuable than a 20ppg OG, but you have to pick one.

Why? Joe Johnson? I'm lost...

And I'd still not trade Martin for the 4th pick in this year's Draft. If it weren't protected and we could get 1 or maybe 2, then maybe I'd do it. But you don't trade a 24 year old 20ppg scorer for the chance to pick someone who might turn out to be really good.
 
Why? Joe Johnson? I'm lost...

Yep. Top 3 protected pick form the Hawks this year along with Diaw.

And I'd still not trade Martin for the 4th pick in this year's Draft. If it weren't protected and we could get 1 or maybe 2, then maybe I'd do it. But you don't trade a 24 year old 20ppg scorer for the chance to pick someone who might turn out to be really good.

Hence the have to be sure part -- I think that's rarely a risk you would take. You trade vets for picks, not typically young successful players. That said, Kevin is primarily a scorer. He does one thing well. If you could pick a guy who you knew could do multiple things well -- score, rebound, defend etc., you would be ahead in the game. Bosh was a #4, Wade a #5, Amare a #9, Dirk a #9, Pierce a #10 etc. And this is the kind of draft where one or more talents of that level could be there at #4 or #5. But...you would have to really feel confident about it. I myself would not, I think -- just questions about almost everybody. But if you really thoguht you spotted that perennial All-Star big in Horford or Jianlian or whoever and the cost was an OG...
 
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