So is there anyone here.....

[Warhawk]

who still thinks we would be able to sneak into the 8th seed (even if we wanted to)?

We are too small up front and when we go small, our "big" smalls are too slow.

We need size and athleticism, neither of which SAR, KT, Brad, Nasty, or anyone else can improve upon.

I know some think the coaching stinks (and I definitely think, at the least, we stepped down from Rick's stature in that department), but it is PERSONNEL, people. Our guys, unless playing an A+ game all around for 48 minutes, will not be able to beat any upper level team as anything other than a fluke game. No way will we win a PO series. Ain't happening. We aren't that good.

We need changes and a high pick in the draft.

We've discussed it ad nauseum, but this team next year would just be older and slower (i.e. worse)....

 

[Wuster]

Could we sneak into the 8th spot? Yes.
Will we? Very doubtful at best (worst?).
Should we? No.

Any chance of suvival in the 1st round? Nope.

 

[6th]

Warhawk...
"So is there anyone here.....
who still thinks we would be able to sneak into the 8th seed (even if we wanted to)?"


Heck no!!!!!

BLOW UP THE CLOWN!

 

[hoops4kings]

I hope we don't sneak into the playoffs this year. This team needs to rebuild big time. The losses don't actually bother me for the first time in years, because hopefully they'll benefit us for our future (draft etc).

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

The better question is why are there still people here who think that we should try to shoot for the eighth seed?

 

[Troy]

who still thinks we would be able to sneak into the 8th seed (even if we wanted to)?

We are too small up front and when we go small, our "big" smalls are too slow.

We need size and athleticism, neither of which SAR, KT, Brad, Nasty, or anyone else can improve upon.

I know some think the coaching stinks (and I definitely think, at the least, we stepped down from Rick's stature in that department), but it is PERSONNEL, people. Our guys, unless playing an A+ game all around for 48 minutes, will not be able to beat any upper level team as anything other than a fluke game. No way will we win a PO series. Ain't happening. We aren't that good.

We need changes and a high pick in the draft.

We've discussed it ad nauseum, but this team next year would just be older and slower (i.e. worse)....

Look at the Suns who are one of the best at playing "small ball", they did this last year without Amare, but they did it because they are unbelievably uptempo and very athletic. In contrast the only players we have that are athletic is KMart, Price, Cisco, Williams, and Douby. This is why when we do play small ball with these guys in games we usually go on a tear and get into the game when we were down before. We cannot do this with many teams, especially the Suns and Mavs, remember how we tried the small ball starting lineup with the Suns this year and they had us down by like 20 in the 1st quarter!!!

Corliss is not very athletic, but he has heart and determination like Bonzi had last year and goes to the basket and doesn't take no for an answer! Our bigs are some of the slowest in the league especially when we put Brad and SAR together.

K9 is semi athletic, but he is very undersized at the PF position and is a sure turnover going to the basket. I haven't seen a player stripped of the ball more than him when he goes to the hoop. Unless he uses his 1st step to get past the guy, if there is any traffic he will get stripped of the ball.

I would not mind playing the young guys and trading away Bibby and Miller. Artest too if the offer is great. Blow this thing up already.

The NO game last night was ours for the taking. We had the more experienced guys, but guess what....they were much more athletic and would have blown us out of the game if they hit their shots and/or had more veteran leadership.

Man I sure miss Bobby! I think I miss him more then CWebb even!!! He is slower than he was with us due to age and injuries, but the guy is just a non stop source of energy and great baller!

 

[Spike]

The better question is why are there still people here who think that we should try to shoot for the eighth seed?

I'll play.

A professional athlete, by nature, wants to succeed at what they do, much like any professional regardless of employment. In the NBA, success is demonstrated by winning games.

By not expecting a team to succeed, you are accepting that it is not their job to win, but to fail. Should one expect or encourage failure? If so, you are stating that you do not want them to do their job, which is to succeed.

The discussion then becomes an argument between the present and the future. At the present, one could see failure as creating the potential for future success. However, to do so, you would have to go against the inherent human nature for success, which many of us cannot do.

Or, more simply put - losing is for sucks. Go Kings!

 

[KingCookie]

I'll play.

A professional athlete, by nature, wants to succeed at what they do, much like any professional regardless of employment. In the NBA, success is demonstrated by winning games.

By not expecting a team to succeed, you are accepting that it is not their job to win, but to fail. Should one expect or encourage failure? If so, you are stating that you do not want them to do their job, which is to succeed.

The discussion then becomes an argument between the present and the future. At the present, one could see failure as creating the potential for future success. However, to do so, you would have to go against the inherent human nature for success, which many of us cannot do.

Or, more simply put - losing is for sucks. Go Kings!

I'm with Spike on this.

I simply cannot make myself want this team to lose games. I still root for them, knowing full well that they probably will not win, especially against the more quality opponents. I think that is what is making accepting the losses easier - nobody's kidding themselves that this team is destined for greatness like we were still barely able to hope for last year and the year before that.

The losing will take care of itself. They will win a few here and there, and hopefully they beat a few quality opponents so their confidence isn't completely shot for next year. I don't see any way they make the playoffs, but I also don't see them slipping down to the very bottom 2 or 3 of the league...they're not THAT bad.

So why can't we just enjoy the ride, and see what happens? I will never get mad when my team WINS a game for god's sake. Hopefully the cards will fall our way and we'll have a better product to root for next year, but I would never ask guys that I want to win games for me next year to lose games for me this year.

And OH how I would love to see them spank the Mavs...somehow...

 

[Warhawk]

I have never said the players on the floor should not try to win. They should, and I hope they play their best every time they are out there. I root for a win whenever they play.

HOWEVER, I also think that management needs to prepare for the future and start making trades now that pay off later. If we can trade (purely for example) Mike for say, a promising young player, an expiring, and a pick, I say we consider it.

We may lose more games this year (without Mike), but are building for the future this way.

This is what I am advocating. Not intentionally tanking games or not playing to win. Just making trades setting us up for the future, the result of which may be fewer wins this year....

 

[pdxKingsFan]

When you're an up and coming team a 6, 7 or 8 seed is acceptable and gets you the tough playoff experience you need for a run in the coming years. When you're on the downturn and fading fast you're just delaying the inevitable and possibly making things worse.

I would never advocate throwing games to pile up the losses but there are ways to lose and still be competitive while legitimately building towards the future by playing your young guys and highlighting players that you would like to expose in a trade that I am ok with.

 

[VF21]

Could we sneak into the 8th spot? Yes.
Will we? Very doubtful at best (worst?).
Should we? No.

Any chance of suvival in the 1st round? Nope.

Pretty much my take, too.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'll play.

A professional athlete, by nature, wants to succeed at what they do, much like any professional regardless of employment. In the NBA, success is demonstrated by winning games.

By not expecting a team to succeed, you are accepting that it is not their job to win, but to fail. Should one expect or encourage failure? If so, you are stating that you do not want them to do their job, which is to succeed.

The discussion then becomes an argument between the present and the future. At the present, one could see failure as creating the potential for future success. However, to do so, you would have to go against the inherent human nature for success, which many of us cannot do.

Or, more simply put - losing is for sucks. Go Kings!

This is what's known as cutting off your nose to spite your face...

 

[Gary]

I have a feeling that one of the three (Artest/Miller/Bibby) or maybe two of the three would not be here up to a couple weeks before the trade deadline..... This means...... Anytime from a week or so down the line up until the trade deadline we could be seeing a couple of long time Kings or a short timer moved. Look for a team involved who has a mid 20s 1st round pick from the east who is a title contender to be a part of one of our deals.



So my answer is no I don't think we will be in the hunt for the 8th spot... We will have a #1-#8 pick that is ours, and a pick in the 20s that is someone elses.

 

[Kev.in]

I think there are some players on the team who are still trying to pull this team up to a respectable record. So in a way they do want to shoot for that 8th seed. The desire is there, but the supporting talent isn't there and the heart/hustle isn't there either. Even if we could wake the "walking dead" this team doesn't have enough grit to pull it off.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'll play.

A professional athlete, by nature, wants to succeed at what they do, much like any professional regardless of employment. In the NBA, success is demonstrated by winning games.

By not expecting a team to succeed, you are accepting that it is not their job to win, but to fail. Should one expect or encourage failure? If so, you are stating that you do not want them to do their job, which is to succeed.

The discussion then becomes an argument between the present and the future. At the present, one could see failure as creating the potential for future success. However, to do so, you would have to go against the inherent human nature for success, which many of us cannot do.

Or, more simply put - losing is for sucks. Go Kings!

Simply put, I'd rather see a bunch of kids with potential playing their hearts out trying to win (but still losing while learning valuable lessons) than a shoddily put together group of veterans that are nearing the downward slope of their careers winning mostly in spite of themselves.

 

[Warhawk]

Simply put, I'd rather see a bunch of kids with potential playing their hearts out trying to win (but still losing while learning valuable lessons) than a shoddily put together group of veterans that are nearing the downward slope of their careers winning mostly in spite of themselves.

Ding ding ding - we have a winner!

 

[Vlade4GM]

Simply put, I'd rather see a bunch of kids with potential playing their hearts out trying to win (but still losing while learning valuable lessons) than a shoddily put together group of veterans that are nearing the downward slope of their careers winning mostly in spite of themselves.

exactly my feelings too, that's why i don't get all pissy like some here when you say rebuilding. some people just have zero patience.

 

[Kingzrool]

Simply put, I'd rather see a bunch of kids with potential playing their hearts out trying to win (but still losing while learning valuable lessons) than a shoddily put together group of veterans that are nearing the downward slope of their careers winning mostly in spite of themselves.

This is exactly what I was sying in the Bibby thread. GP just needs to make a couple of trades so that we have a full team of young studs. As I said, I can be excited about losing games when the players put their hearts on the floor.

 

[acisking]

This is exactly what I was sying in the Bibby thread. GP just needs to make a couple of trades so that we have a full team of young studs. As I said, I can be excited about losing games when the players put their hearts on the floor.

Yea...look at what Philly was able to do this year. The team may not be winning but they are fun to watch and the talnt of the youth is developed.

 

[VF21]

This is exactly what I was sying in the Bibby thread. GP just needs to make a couple of trades so that we have a full team of young studs. As I said, I can be excited about losing games when the players put their hearts on the floor.

I liked what I saw tonight. The young guns got plenty of playing time; there was actually a definition of our "starters" and our "second squad" that allowed both time to get their games going.

This was good basketball...

 

[Kingzrool]

I liked what I saw tonight. The young guns got plenty of playing time; there was actually a definition of our "starters" and our "second squad" that allowed both time to get their games going.

This was good basketball...

Agreed. That ending was exciting and they played with passion.