LOL. Your logic is ... interesting.
High jump competition is not all-star skills entertainment event. If you don't like how the skills competition was run this year, why not contact the NBA?
Skills Challenge and All-Star Festivities
- Thread starter Dime Dropper
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LOL. Your logic is ... interesting.
High jump competition is not all-star skills entertainment event. If you don't like how the skills competition was run this year, why not contact the NBA?
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
I'm pretty sure this change to "three attempts and move on" was done to keep the competition fast-paced and exciting. Would you rather see a player stuck in one spot for 10 minutes? I'd rather be entertained, the point of the whole thing, and see them move on quickly.
Dbeltz24
Bench
Well the logic at letting someone advance after failing an event is laughable at best.
Besides the letting someone pass a certain skill when they don't complete it, I enjoyed the skills competition. Seeing Boogie vs AD and KAT vs Green was fun. I believe that going forward they should add a skill that big man use to even the playing field going forward. Maybe a post hook or something like that. And matching up a big vs small every round. But they've got to clean it up regarding you have to show you can actually do the skill before advancing.
Dbeltz24
Bench
Yes, I'd rather see them stuck. It'll provide comedy seeing someone not being able to pass a ball thru a hole. That would provide plenty of entertainment from failing, and would provide a great Shaqtin a Fool. It's a SKILLS event, so to win you must be able to do all SKILLS presented.
That's almost the opposite of what I said.
Also, the Skills Challenge doesn't involve an increase in difficulty level.
Dbeltz24
Bench
But once you complete a certain Skill, you are on to the next one. You shouldn't be on to the next skill unless you can complete a certain one. I see your point with that it takes precious time away with more attempts, I just wouldn't want to see a Skills Champion when he couldn't complete a certain skill. It would be like someone missing a Dunk in the Dunk Contest yet that dunk scored the best and they won. That's a bit of a stretch I know, but I just want to see all SKILLS completed.
Are you conflating the Skills Challenge with the Shooting Stars Challenge? Because the three-point shot is a relatively recent addition to the Skills Challenge in general.
I don't think this is the first time that happened..
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
The passing is probably the hardest part of the event. To me, it was boring in the past watching them have a tough time with the passing portion, I didn't find it very comedic.
John Galt
Starter
Only problem is that there is no value for making, or coming close, on the last pass. They could maybe improve the event by grading the three passes on proximity to the bullseye and giving point/time bonuses based on that. But it was fun.
So, you're the guy who wanted to continue to allow contestants in the dunk contest to have to keep trying to dunk until they got it right, like Chris Andersen that one time? I guess that sort of madness had to appeal to somebody...
No sporting event was ever made more entertaining by adding judges, including the dunk contest.
Actually I think John Galt's idea has some merit. They could do it by computer with no additional judges. You pass at the target and the proximity to the "bulls-eye" is electronically recorded.
John Galt
Starter
yes that's what I meant. proximity to the bullseye is not subjective.
Dbeltz24
Bench
In the skills competition, you are going head to head against someone. The other person finishes, and the competition is over. The other person that hasnt finished is cut off and doesn't get to keep going. And if asking an NBA player to make a chest pass in to a circle without any tricks or flair is too much, then wow. I knew there had to be a fan that would excuse an NBA player from not being able to execute a simple pass in a SKILLS event. Guess we know who that fan is.
Dbeltz24
Bench
Your idea is very interesting. I like it.
Quick question, regarding the 3 being made, any bonuses for a swish or lost time on a bank?
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
At least quote me next time.
Where did I excuse it? I said it's the hardest part of the event, not that it's OK when they can't complete it. And it's probably harder than it looks if year after year NBA players have a tough time with it.
Dbeltz24
Bench
Wasn't even talking about you. Was referring to the person I replied to.
And good if that is one of the hardest parts, it's a SKILLS competition. We want to see that person complete that skill.
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steelevt
All-Star
You actually made me doubt myself but I had the event dvr'd. After the intros, they went over the rules and Reggie said the main difference this year is that you have to make the 3 at the end this year and years before you had 3 tries then could just lay it up.
Dbeltz24
Bench
So why wouldn't they have the same approach with the pass? My guess is they clean it up next year to where you actually need to make the pass.
It's not an excuse; you're using that word wrong.
Ultimately, it's an entertainment program; there's nothing entertaining about watching a guy keep missing chest passes. If you want to make that a condition of their next contract then, by all means, keep doing it until he gets it right. But, on All-Star Saturday Night? Ain't nobody got time for that.
It was originally a free throw line shot. The addition of the three-pointer is relatively recent, as I said.
steelevt
All-Star
Whatever. I was just repeating what they said about the rules. Now you have to make the 3 to win. Whether it was last year, 2 years ago or in the beginning of time, it doesn't change the point of the argument. Why allow them to move on after 3 missed passes but not let them win after 3 missed 3 pointers if it's not important to complete the certain skill challenge?
steelevt
All-Star
A better analogy would be if rondo tried to inbound a pass to cousins and it gets deflected out of bounds off of the opponent. If this happened 3 times the ref doesn't just hand the ball to cousins and let them play. The pass needs to be completed before they play on. That's how it should be in the competition. Or you saw cousins lose the ball dribbling during the challenge. If he lost the ball 2 more times, should he just run to the next spot without the ball? No, he needs to have the skill to dribble the ball to the next spot.
Ron
Starter
I guess you're right.
Still, I can justify the difference in the rules with the 3-pt shot being the ending achievement, and the fact that the whole thing is a duel.
1. There is simply nowhere to move-on to from the 3-pt shot (after 3 bad tries)
2. Sooner or later one of the two players will make the 3 and win (usually sooner...), So first-one-to-make-it is actuallly a nice way to end a duel IMHO. Certainly better than first-one-to-take-3-tries...
If the 3pt shot had been limited to 3 attempts only, with the possibility to finish it (and win) by missing all 3 attempts, then in some cases the best way to go would have been to hurl all 3 balls one after the other without even trying to make them at all...
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KingMilz
Guest
That Aaron Gordon dunk where he cleared the mascot with both legs to the side was the most ridiculous thing I have seen in ages that was the best 1 on 1 dunk off in NBA history.
The 3-point shot is a standard part of the normal, every day NBA game. Regulation hoop and height, same line distance that players are used to every game, etc.
The chest pass part of the challenge, while a skill that NBA players posess, is an arbitrary distance into an arbitrary goal size. They don't set one of those up at every practice to have players run through a "chest pass into a small hole 20±feet away" drill on a daily basis. It is just not a normal drill or repeatable skill that players have. It's like one of those basketball shot games at the county fair. Smaller than normal hoop size and it is much higher than a normal hoop, etc. Also, during a game, on the other end of a chest pass is a player with hands and arms that can gather a slightly errant pass.
I agree completely that a set number of attempts is fine to impart a time delay for the player that misses on the chest pass. We can argue 3 or 5 or whatever, but almost all the passes I saw (didn't watch the whole thing) were very close to the hole. It's not like they were my 78 year old dad trying to shoot a blindfolded half court shot. The time delay for missed shots was penalty enough.
The three point shot at the end should be a final equalizer. Keep shooting until someone makes the head-to-head competition end.
The chest pass part of the challenge, while a skill that NBA players posess, is an arbitrary distance into an arbitrary goal size. They don't set one of those up at every practice to have players run through a "chest pass into a small hole 20±feet away" drill on a daily basis. It is just not a normal drill or repeatable skill that players have. It's like one of those basketball shot games at the county fair. Smaller than normal hoop size and it is much higher than a normal hoop, etc. Also, during a game, on the other end of a chest pass is a player with hands and arms that can gather a slightly errant pass.
I agree completely that a set number of attempts is fine to impart a time delay for the player that misses on the chest pass. We can argue 3 or 5 or whatever, but almost all the passes I saw (didn't watch the whole thing) were very close to the hole. It's not like they were my 78 year old dad trying to shoot a blindfolded half court shot. The time delay for missed shots was penalty enough.
The three point shot at the end should be a final equalizer. Keep shooting until someone makes the head-to-head competition end.
There's already precedent for this, in both the aforementioned Shooting Stars Challenge and the Three Point Shootout; if a contestant missed all five balls on a rack, they don't make him stay there until he hits one from that spot, he goes to the next rack. The same principle applies here.
That's not a good analogy, either; there is no effective analogy for comparing an actual sporting event to an exhibition.
steelevt
All-Star
im not sure you are understanding what the rules or point of the events are. therefore there really is no point in continuing this argument. the point of the skills challenge is to find out who can complete challenges fastest. so my argument is that they should "complete" the challenge before they move on. that is totally different from the 3 point contest. its apples to oranges. the point of the 3 point contest is to see who can make more 3 point shots, not a challenge where you advance after you make a 3 from one spot. it is consistent. you get 5 shots from 5 spots. why would they make someone stay at the spot til he makes it? to even make that argument for your side isnt even logical.
