Should Ike Diogu be re-signed? (split and merged)
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kingsnation
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You may have your "gold" then...
SacTownKid
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kingsnation
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See the post above yours..
bloom
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Um..maybe I misunderstood you but I'm not talking about Kenny Thomas..I was talking about that guy sitting in our coaches chair - Kenny Natt.
kingsfan101
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We have to gamble on at least one more player to fill out our roster.
If you have some other cheap big you think can do better, sure, that's an option. Ike is probably as good an option.
Don't think anyone has suggested breaking the bank for him, or give him a long term deal. Let's see if we can get someone else. Else, I see no harm in trying him out.
Kingster
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I also wonder how much he was actually played at the backup center position when he was with those other teams. It's pretty obvious to me that he's much more of a 5 than a 4. He gets outquicked by a lot of 4s, but he's strong enough and long enough to battle the 5s (and he's quick enough). As for him being the focus of the offense, I wouldn't mind that at all when he comes in with the second team. The hard thing is usually to find scoring off the bench.
I feel like the title of this topic should be changed. There's a couple comments about Greene and Casspi followed by 4 pages of the great Ike Diogu debate. I don't really have anything to add there. We've all heard the same arguments before. I liked Ike in college, I liked him at Golden State, he never played in Indiana or Portland, and in the two games he actually got to play for us I liked him a lot. Every single game after the Portland trade I wished he would get some playing time and when he finally did he delivered big time. But what does that even mean? It's still just two games and he did a lot of nothing for most of the last 3 years. Who knows who exactly is to blame for that. But I'll be really sad if he goes somewhere else and turns into the player I always thought he was.
Regarding the original topic, if the past 3 years are any indication then Casspi and Greene (if they both make the roster) will be getting a lot of time at the 4. We don't have a backup center right now anyway, so probably Thompson has to play some minutes there. If this new commitment to toughness and defense is for real, then hopefully they will only play spot minutes at the 4 position because both of them are best suited to play SF. You don't throw skinny rookies or second year jumpshooters who've proved nothing into your frontcourt and expect to stop anybody. We don't know what the final roster will look like, so it's hard to say one way or the other at this point.
Regarding the original topic, if the past 3 years are any indication then Casspi and Greene (if they both make the roster) will be getting a lot of time at the 4. We don't have a backup center right now anyway, so probably Thompson has to play some minutes there. If this new commitment to toughness and defense is for real, then hopefully they will only play spot minutes at the 4 position because both of them are best suited to play SF. You don't throw skinny rookies or second year jumpshooters who've proved nothing into your frontcourt and expect to stop anybody. We don't know what the final roster will look like, so it's hard to say one way or the other at this point.
LPKingsFan
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Well, odds are if both Greene and Casspi are starting for the summer league squad, one is going to have to play PF (I'm assuming JT plays 5 and Spence, as a 3rd year, doesn't play, but I could be wrong). Casspi apparently played a lot of 4 before, but Greene has apparently added bulk so far this summer. So which will it be? One? Both? Niether?
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PoundForPound
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Should Ike Diogu be re-signed?
It seems that everybody has forgotten how much of a beast he was when he was given the minutes late in the season. This guy was scoring 30+ and cleaning the boards, against some of the better teams (I.e Denver). So we know he can score, but I think he brings toughnes, size, and rebounding, which are things we desperately need. I say we re-sign him and find a way to give him minutes. What do you guys think?
It seems that everybody has forgotten how much of a beast he was when he was given the minutes late in the season. This guy was scoring 30+ and cleaning the boards, against some of the better teams (I.e Denver). So we know he can score, but I think he brings toughnes, size, and rebounding, which are things we desperately need. I say we re-sign him and find a way to give him minutes. What do you guys think?
gunks
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Depends on the price, and whether or not there's a better big available.
We may resign him just because we'll have no other options for a 3rd big off the bench. Given Petrie's track record of handing out contracts to people who overachieve before a payday and then slack off I'm kinda worried. We dont need another Beno or Mikki Moore cloggin the cap.
We may resign him just because we'll have no other options for a 3rd big off the bench. Given Petrie's track record of handing out contracts to people who overachieve before a payday and then slack off I'm kinda worried. We dont need another Beno or Mikki Moore cloggin the cap.
kennadog
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I think you have to be very careful about an opinion formed on the basis of end of season playing time.
I think a qualifying offer is too much to pay for him, so I expect if the Kings even want him back, they'll let him test the free agency market to determine his value.
Besides, we don't know what other moves for big men GP may be contemplating starting tomorrow.
I think a qualifying offer is too much to pay for him, so I expect if the Kings even want him back, they'll let him test the free agency market to determine his value.
Besides, we don't know what other moves for big men GP may be contemplating starting tomorrow.
You should check out this thread, as there's a pretty significant discussion about Diogu already taking place.
kennadog
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That's so yesterday, doncha know?
Yeah, I know...and I'm taking the next action ONLY because I was specifically requested to do so.
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You got it. Another poll on the way.
I hate TDOS.
EDIT: Okay, the poll is there. People have the option to choose more than one response. Speaking of the possible responses, people should be very careful what they ask for.
...sigh...
You got it. Another poll on the way.
I hate TDOS.
EDIT: Okay, the poll is there. People have the option to choose more than one response. Speaking of the possible responses, people should be very careful what they ask for.
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sactownfan
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Well you could move the other thread onto this one cause no ones actually talking about Greene or Casspi playing mins at the 4.
rainmaker
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Maybe the rest of the nba forgot to, because he isn't getting attention from anyone. He was impressive over the last 2 weeks of the season, but he has never shown any kind of consistency over his career. His numbers were inflated due to the rest of the team giving up, and kevin not in the lineup taking 15+ shots per game.
The way you talk about him makes it sound like he's an allstar calliber player. This team does need rebounding and toughness, but I don't think Ike is the answer, and I definately wouldn't count on him providing those intangibles.
I wouldn't mind signing him for 1yr, for 1-2M. Thats it. We can give him a chance, but he hasn't shown enough to warrent a multi-yr contract. There are a lot of overpaid big men in the league, and I don't want to add one to our roster, especially with the contracts of noc, beno, and cisco. We also need another big, even if we do resign Ike. I don't want him to be the 1st big off the bench. If we sign another big, I have no problem giving Ike a 1yr contract as the 4th big on the depth chart of our big men.
I split the Diogu comments out of the Casspi/Greene/etc. thread and merged it with the newer Diogu thread for simplicity's sake.
I think that is all anyone here is talking about - a short (1-2 year deal) for the minimum or slightly more. And I agree that might be a good thing to consider, depending on the rest of the offseason.
bajaden
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I have been as fascinated by Diogu, based on his last two games as anyone. How could someone that looked like a superstar in those two games have so many question marks. Not having followed his career that closely, I went back and looked at the stats for every game he played his first five years.
There is a pattern that starts to develop. Its not fair to say that he didnt get minutes. He just got inconsistant minutes. He would have 4 or 5 games in a row where he got somewhere between 22 and 32 minutes. And then suddenly he would go for a 5 o 6 game stretch where he would average between 5 to 12 minutes a game. I would like to say that he produced every time he got minutes, but he didn't. There was a game where he averaged almost a point and a rebound a minute for 10 minutes. Followed by a game where he averaged 3 points and 5 rebounds in 22 minutes. The word inconsistant springs to mind.
This was with 3 different teams, with him being with the Warriors twice. So the question is, which is the real Diogu? I would have real reservations with signing him to any long term contract. He's had games in his career very similar to the last two he played for us. But he's never been able to go out and put together a consistant string of games where your confident of what your going to get on a nightly basis.
It could be that he's learned from his past mistakes. He may be ready to emerge as a solid player in the league and only needs the chance. I would be willing to give him a one year deal at a reasonable price, with a team option on the second year. Beyond that, I don't think the Kings are in any position to take any long term chances on someone thats been as inconsistant as he has. There has to be a reason a player plays 32 minutes one night and 5 the next. Over, and over again. Thats been his pattern.
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I think we sign Diogu too. We have some cap room but I haven't heard of any FA's that are beating down GP's door to sign here. Can't really blame them considering where the team stands now. Everybody wants to play for a winner and it will be a while before we get on the upside of .500 unless GP can find a difference maker somewhere.
In retrospect, knowing what we know now, it makes it all the more incredible that Vlade Divac agreed to come here.
SacTownKid
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I don't think anyone expects the Kings to pay Diogu a Beno sized contract but I hope something fair to both sides can be worked out because it makes no sense to not get an extended look.
That's mostly what I was thinking about the contract too -- one year guaranteed with a team option on the second. It's not so much that I'm convinced Diogu is ready to be a part of our rotation, it's more that I'm not ready for the Ike Diogu experiment to end without ever really getting started. We have no front-court depth, so we can afford to give him some regular playing time. I'm curious to see what he would do if he was guaranteed 10-15 minutes per game off the bench for at least a month.
Part of the problem for him I think has been unrealistic expectations. It seems to me that the Warriors drafted him too early, expecting to groom him into a starting PF. How Mullin ever thought a big-bodied post player would stick at PF on a Don Nelson coached team is beyond me, but maybe that's why he's no longer the GM there. When he was traded to Indiana, he was mentioned as the key piece for Indiana yet Murphy and Dunleavy got most of the playing time. You'd think a team like Indiana could afford to be patient with young players, and they must have acquired him for a reason, but they didn't keep him around very long. When he got to Portland they already had LaMarcus Aldridge and Channing Frye. Bayless was the guy they wanted anyway, and that team likes to stockpile talent for future trades. So maybe he's not good enough to be a full-time starter, maybe he wasn't worth a #9 pick, but that doesn't mean he can't be a valuable player. We didn't spend a lottery pick on him nor did we trade anyone valuable to get him, so he's got no stigma of elevated expectation on this team.
Fear the Putin
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I say bring back Ike...
Beno had a pretty promising season right before his contract was up too. I'm all for bringing back Diogu, but do not break the back for a kid that has proven nothing.
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