'Sheed rule with last night's game

[Gargamel]

(First, NICE avatar. )

Now, about that thread? I think it sounds great. And since you brought it up... well?

Done. It's in the NBA forum. It would be fun to look back on a entire season of the rule. Hopefully people who watch more games than Sacto's contribute to it regularly.

 

[nbrans]

Why do players like those need a rule change when they are paid millions of dollars to do what they want to do? I've never understood this, care to shed some light?

I think Bricklayer's point, which I think is a very good one, is that players like Miller, Reef (and I would include Bibby) were allowed to complain, which made them lose focus. It doesn't matter if they're highly paid professionals, they were allowed to complain and their games suffer. Now since there are greater consequences hopefully they won't lose their minds worrying about the officials and just play the game.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

I think Bricklayer's point, which I think is a very good one, is that players like Miller, Reef (and I would include Bibby) were allowed to complain, which made them lose focus. It doesn't matter if they're highly paid professionals, they were allowed to complain and their games suffer. Now since there are greater consequences hopefully they won't lose their minds worrying about the officials and just play the game.

I agree with what you're saying, but I think you missed my point. Why would players like you mentioned above allow themselves to lose focus by complaining when they are paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball, and excel?

 

[nbrans]

I agree with what you're saying, but I think you missed my point. Why would players like you mentioned above allow themselves to lose focus by complaining when they are paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball, and excel?

Yeah, good question. I have no idea.

 

[Padrino]

this rule would be fantastic if it came with the guarantee that the refs would absolutely try to remain consistent. unfortunately, that is never the case with any kind of foul-calling, so what we're gonna see is a lotta guys getting thrown out of games this season, and likely for the wrong reasons. there's already been three ejections (bibby, taylor, and rasheed wallace). let's keep a-countin'...cuz its only gonna get worse.

edit: dang...brian cook and carmelo anthony were each ejected this week as well. that's five total, just within the first week of the regular season schedule. ridiculous.....

 

[Lamar_Odom]

What game was Brian Cook ejected?

 

[Padrino]

What game was Brian Cook ejected?

i'm sorry...i was a bit off on that one. it was a preseason game, according to gargy's thread in the nba section:

"PRESEASON: Brian Cook T'd for throwing ball against basket stand after a whistle and ejected for throwing his hands up while seated on the court in reaction to a no-call."

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16148

 

[coolhandluke]

I agree with what you're saying, but I think you missed my point. Why would players like you mentioned above allow themselves to lose focus by complaining when they are paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball, and excel?

I don't understand the rationale behind the question. Do people have to pay someone to expect certain behavior? Does this mean that a person earning $5M should be expected to "complain" less than one who earns $1M? Does it mean that virtues and behavior should be judged relative to money earned by a person? Care to shed some light?

 

[LMM]

While I like the new rule (they should just play), from what I have seen so far, the officials are taking this a step further than the league intended. There is supposed to be a bit of tolerance, but I am not seeing much tolerance thus far (at least as far as the guys who have been given a second T and tossed. In other words, some officials seem to be letting this new found power go to their already swollen heads.

agree, agree, agree.

i like the rule that they should just shut up and play, but the double standard should be avoided as much as possible (i know there always will be one, but i hate it when it's sooo obvious. )

 

[Gargamel]

i'm sorry...i was a bit off on that one. it was a preseason game, according to gargy's thread in the nba section:

"PRESEASON: Brian Cook T'd for throwing ball against basket stand after a whistle and ejected for throwing his hands up while seated on the court in reaction to a no-call."http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16148

I'm pretty sure Cook was the first one to be ejected. Believe me, both Ts were laughable as are most of the disciplinary decisions the refs and the front office make. I haven't seen either Taylor's or Bibby's ejections, but I'd like more info on what Taylor did.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't understand the rationale behind the question. Do people have to pay someone to expect certain behavior? Does this mean that a person earning $5M should be expected to "complain" less than one who earns $1M? Does it mean that virtues and behavior should be judged relative to money earned by a person? Care to shed some light?

Actually it does to some degree -- you are always going to have higher expectations for behavior, self control, etc. for somebody that you've invested huge dollars in than an amateur. With big $$ comes big responsibility, or should, in just about any field. Doesn't mean people playing the game for nothing should act like children, just means that people lucky enough to be paid millions to play a game, should not.

 

[swisshh]

I don't like players complaining all the time during a game, but I am totally against the new 'standard'. The change doesn't address the problem, it just covers it up. The problem is that NBA officiating is horrible, and silencing players only puts a blanket over it and lets the issue to continue. This will end ugly, like most poorly officiated games.

The problem was very much on display in the World Championships, where the US players looked confused by actual rules being called. Stern saw this, probably saw that it would point directly at his officiating problem and made two changes. First was the traveling calls, which to me must have been a hilarious meeting.

<Stern> Hey uh guys, I got a new thing for this year.
<Refs> What's that?
<Stern> There's this thing, its like a rule that has been in our rule book for eons and it's actually, from what I'm told, a standard part of basketball and the integrity of the game... I think they call it traveling? Well we're going to call it this year.
<Refs> Oh OKAY
<Bavetta> But not on players featured in the commercials during breaks right?
<Stern> Dick, I love you.

The next change is the no complaining to officials rule, or the 'Sheed rule, which is just intended to keep players from whining so the real problem doesn't look as bad on television. And of course, the problem with both rules is that because the issue IS the officials and not the players, then they'll be called inconsistently and create new issues.