Shams: Lakers discuss Kuzma for Buddy deal

dude12 said:
Harrell has issues on D, sure, but he would bring us some toughness which we are lacking. Really, really lacking. As in Terrence Davis is the only guy who would get in someone’s face. We could use Harrell.
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Harrell is a scrub and an unplayable scrub unreal that some would entertain that clown, lol at his fake toughness as well
 
I don't think the Lakers would include the draft pick. Harrell is a better player than Buddy.

Adding Harrell would almost certainly mean Holmes is gone. I don't see how you could play the two at the 5 even if the money worked.
 
Harrell terrorized the Kings a couple seasons ago on the Clippers. Kuzma, Harrell, and the 22nd pick - absolutely - Lakers would not do that but if they offer, wunderbar. The 22nd pick puts it over -They can 'swing for the fence',

If Kings can re-sign Holmes and bring in Harrell - rebounding gets nicely shored up as well as front court depth.
 
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kingdivac said:
Harrell terrorized the Kings a couple seasons ago on the Clippers. Kuzma, Harrell, and the 22nd pick - absolutely - Lakers would not do that but if they offer, wunderbar. The 22nd pick puts it over -They can 'swing for the fence',

If Kings can re-sign Holmes and bring in Harrell - rebounding gets nicely shored up as well as front court depth.
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If Kings add Harrell rather they then add Noel. Better balance.
 
kb02 said:
If Kings add Harrell rather they then add Noel. Better balance.
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If you're referring to Nerlens Noel, I haven't watched him play much to develop an opinion - I don't watch the NBA anywhere near like I used to during Kings better years.....I guess it depends on Holmes salary demands. I dont think the Lakers give up Harrell in that trade anyway - a bit wishful thinking. Its been tough - the Kings ae still treading in murky mediocrity year-in and year-out. Just too much turnover whether coaching, organization, or players........Suns were very close this year, and that was going from no-playoffs for 10 years to NBA finals - there could be hope for playoffs with good draft and injury luck for the Kings. Of course the Suns are now staring at no draft pick next season, and Paul probably not gonna make a full season at his age and injury history. Same for Lakers and Lebron - father time strikes down aged pro athletes with abandon.
 
Well the Lakers would need to include Harrell or KCP to make salaries work and the kings are not likely interested in KCP given his 26M owed over 2 years. They can one and done Harrell which helps the cap. If people remember Grant Napier used to call Harrell "Uh Oh" and Holmes "Jr Uh Oh" when they played against the Kings because they both would kill the kings and were basically the same player, Harrell just being a but bulkier. My issue with getting Harrell though is that Holmes is the better defender of the two and at this point, the more versatile scorer. He is worth (in my opinion) more than Harrell, buuuut with Harrell, your salaries dont increase and you can trade him at the deadline or let him walk at the end of the season if he craps the bed. The real issue here is Kuzma. Does he bring any Ws to the team? My guess is no. There will be more pressure on him to defend and score on this team than there was with LeBron and AD. This kid doesn't really do well under pressure. I remember when the lakers traded the entire roster except LBJ and Kuzma for AD and the debate was keep the cheaper Kuzma or Ingram... Boy did they pick wrong. We shouldn't be the ones to bail them out of it. Buddy for all his warts will still get you a win here or there and keep you in many games. He is better at this point than both Kuzma or Harrell. Its just a fact. His issue with production is improper utilization with Walton (trying to use him as a PG) AND weak leadership who has let a role player (albeit a very good role player) essentially behave like a star with a bad attitude and demands. He needs to be moved for the team to move forward but not for a crap package. The 76ers are very much wanting to move on from Simmons and i suspect Portland wants to move Lillard before they lose him for nothing. I think trying to swing a 3 way trade here.

Portland gets Bagley, Buddy, Hill (from 76ers) as well as 2022 1st and 76ers 1st this and next year. (saves them 6M this year and possibly another 11M if they dont reup on Bagley next year).

Kings get Simmons (who will have to play SF/PF d/t offensive deficiency)

76ers get Lillard

Kings can then try to move Barnes and 9th pick for Myles Turner.

Id then try to throw part of the MLE at Doug McDermott for your starting SF role

Kings role out
Fox/Wright/Guy
Hali/TD/James
McDermott (another FA).
Simmons/metu
Turner/Jones
 
cwebb2002 said:
Well the Lakers would need to include Harrell or KCP to make salaries work and the kings are not likely interested in KCP given his 26M owed over 2 years. They can one and done Harrell which helps the cap. If people remember Grant Napier used to call Harrell "Uh Oh" and Holmes "Jr Uh Oh" when they played against the Kings because they both would kill the kings and were basically the same player, Harrell just being a but bulkier. My issue with getting Harrell though is that Holmes is the better defender of the two and at this point, the more versatile scorer. He is worth (in my opinion) more than Harrell, buuuut with Harrell, your salaries dont increase and you can trade him at the deadline or let him walk at the end of the season if he craps the bed. The real issue here is Kuzma. Does he bring any Ws to the team? My guess is no. There will be more pressure on him to defend and score on this team than there was with LeBron and AD. This kid doesn't really do well under pressure. I remember when the lakers traded the entire roster except LBJ and Kuzma for AD and the debate was keep the cheaper Kuzma or Ingram... Boy did they pick wrong. We shouldn't be the ones to bail them out of it. Buddy for all his warts will still get you a win here or there and keep you in many games. He is better at this point than both Kuzma or Harrell. Its just a fact. His issue with production is improper utilization with Walton (trying to use him as a PG) AND weak leadership who has let a role player (albeit a very good role player) essentially behave like a star with a bad attitude and demands. He needs to be moved for the team to move forward but not for a crap package. The 76ers are very much wanting to move on from Simmons and i suspect Portland wants to move Lillard before they lose him for nothing. I think trying to swing a 3 way trade here.

Portland gets Bagley, Buddy, Hill (from 76ers) as well as 2022 1st and 76ers 1st this and next year. (saves them 6M this year and possibly another 11M if they dont reup on Bagley next year).

Kings get Simmons (who will have to play SF/PF d/t offensive deficiency)

76ers get Lillard

Kings can then try to move Barnes and 9th pick for Myles Turner.

Id then try to throw part of the MLE at Doug McDermott for your starting SF role

Kings role out
Fox/Wright/Guy
Hali/TD/James
McDermott (another FA).
Simmons/metu
Turner/Jones
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Go throw that trade out there on a Blazers forum and let us know how they feel about it :)
 
kingdivac said:
If you're referring to Nerlens Noel, I haven't watched him play much to develop an opinion - I don't watch the NBA anywhere near like I used to during Kings better years.....I guess it depends on Holmes salary demands. I dont think the Lakers give up Harrell in that trade anyway - a bit wishful thinking. Its been tough - the Kings ae still treading in murky mediocrity year-in and year-out. Just too much turnover whether coaching, organization, or players........Suns were very close this year, and that was going from no-playoffs for 10 years to NBA finals - there could be hope for playoffs with good draft and injury luck for the Kings. Of course the Suns are now staring at no draft pick next season, and Paul probably not gonna make a full season at his age and injury history. Same for Lakers and Lebron - father time strikes down aged pro athletes with abandon.
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He's essentially a goalie. Would be a nice counterweight to Harrell's bowling ball offense.
 
ESP47 said:
Go throw that trade out there on a Blazers forum and let us know how they feel about it :)
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I dont think any blazers fan would want this, nor would i if i were them, But it gets them a number of picks and lets them start a rebuild that they may have no choice but to do in a year. If reports are to be believed, Lillard wants out amd wants to go win a chip. If that is true, they risk losing him for nothing. If it isnt true then of course they don't do this trade.
 
kb02 said:
I'm sure the Kings can totally get Simmons for Buddy, Bags, and a 2022 first. o_O
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Well the 76ers get dame out of it and blazers would get 3-4 additional picks out of it and a a former #2 overall. Its not that unreasonable IF Dame really does want out of Portland. If he doesn't want out then its a moot point for pretty much any deal.
 
76ers would do it for Dame, or even Same trade for Beal
But Dame and Beal are not getting traded today or tommorrow, so 76ers are just not getting a deal done
and they are not taking a desperation trade with Kings since no Fox or Hali

If Lakers can not get Derozan to take less money, I think their only move is
Kuzma,Harrell #22 for Buddy, if not, Lakers can pound sand also
 
Sam Amick:
Of all the scenarios for a supporting player believed to be in play, one source to the situation indicated the Hield deal — which would involve forward Kyle Kuzma and would also likely require Lakers forward Montrezl Harrell to opt in to the final year of his deal (worth $9.7 million) and be included — appears the most promising thus far.

For the Kings, Kuzma (three years, $39 million combined on his deal) and Harrell ($9.7 million next season if he opts in) could fit in well on the roster that is now being built around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton. A source with knowledge of the talks said Philadelphia also has shown interest (unrelated to Simmons), with other teams believed to be engaged on that front as well. A Hield deal of some sort, it seems, is likely on the horizon.

For the Lakers, adding an elite 3-point shooter like Hield on a long-term deal (three years, $63 million remaining) would be significant considering their struggles on that front last season. The Lakers ranked 25th in made 3s per game (11.1), were 24th in attempts (31.2) and 21st in 3-point percentage (35.4). Hield was third in the NBA in 3s per game (four) behind Steph Curry and Damian Lillard and third in attempts (10.2, also behind Curry and Lillard).
 
Jkbiker said:
76ers would do it for Dame, or even Same trade for Beal
But Dame and Beal are not getting traded today or tommorrow, so 76ers are just not getting a deal done
and they are not taking a desperation trade with Kings since no Fox or Hali

If Lakers can not get Derozan to take less money, I think their only move is
Kuzma,Harrell #22 for Buddy, if not, Lakers can pound sand also
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The Lakers need shooters around LeBron and AD and DeRozan is not a shooter.

I think the Lakers are going to go hard for Buddy, I would make them pay, get that 2nd 1st rounder in a Buddy trade.
 
cwebb2002 said:
Well the 76ers get dame out of it and blazers would get 3-4 additional picks out of it and a a former #2 overall. Its not that unreasonable IF Dame really does want out of Portland. If he doesn't want out then its a moot point for pretty much any deal.
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Transitive property ==> Philly ==> Portland. You offer that package and it nets Simmons? Let's go. Though, I suspect Portland hangs up the phone.
 
cwebb2002 said:
Well the Lakers would need to include Harrell or KCP to make salaries work and the kings are not likely interested in KCP given his 26M owed over 2 years. They can one and done Harrell which helps the cap. If people remember Grant Napier used to call Harrell "Uh Oh" and Holmes "Jr Uh Oh" when they played against the Kings because they both would kill the kings and were basically the same player, Harrell just being a but bulkier. My issue with getting Harrell though is that Holmes is the better defender of the two and at this point, the more versatile scorer. He is worth (in my opinion) more than Harrell, buuuut with Harrell, your salaries dont increase and you can trade him at the deadline or let him walk at the end of the season if he craps the bed. The real issue here is Kuzma. Does he bring any Ws to the team? My guess is no. There will be more pressure on him to defend and score on this team than there was with LeBron and AD. This kid doesn't really do well under pressure. I remember when the lakers traded the entire roster except LBJ and Kuzma for AD and the debate was keep the cheaper Kuzma or Ingram... Boy did they pick wrong. We shouldn't be the ones to bail them out of it. Buddy for all his warts will still get you a win here or there and keep you in many games. He is better at this point than both Kuzma or Harrell. Its just a fact. His issue with production is improper utilization with Walton (trying to use him as a PG) AND weak leadership who has let a role player (albeit a very good role player) essentially behave like a star with a bad attitude and demands. He needs to be moved for the team to move forward but not for a crap package. The 76ers are very much wanting to move on from Simmons and i suspect Portland wants to move Lillard before they lose him for nothing. I think trying to swing a 3 way trade here.

Portland gets Bagley, Buddy, Hill (from 76ers) as well as 2022 1st and 76ers 1st this and next year. (saves them 6M this year and possibly another 11M if they dont reup on Bagley next year).

Kings get Simmons (who will have to play SF/PF d/t offensive deficiency)

76ers get Lillard

Kings can then try to move Barnes and 9th pick for Myles Turner.

Id then try to throw part of the MLE at Doug McDermott for your starting SF role

Kings role out
Fox/Wright/Guy
Hali/TD/James
McDermott (another FA).
Simmons/metu
Turner/Jones
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Not sure about your trade scenarios but the first part of your post I enjoyed.
After mulling over the last couple days the idea of adding Kuzma to our team my conclusion is no. Walton may like it but the only reason I’m okay with him is the Fox and Haliburton’s support. Also not the biggest fan of dealing with the Lakers unless it’s clearly to our advantage.
 
So if you're off-season is:

Draft Moody/Wagner
Kuzma/22/Harrell for Buddy
22 puts you in play for guys like Williams/Springer/Murphy/Mann
Resign Holmes
Resign T Davis:

Fox || Wright
Hali || Davis
Kuzma(think he'd probably start over the rook) || Moody
Barnes || Bagley
Holmes || Harrell

I mean... not bad? You'd still have the MLE and Bagley trades to explore as well. But honestly, not a horrible hedge to building for the future (getting the extra first) and trying to put together a team to win now. I've never been a Kuzma fan.. basically ever, but there is value in the position he plays and breaking up Buddy's contract into smaller pieces.
 
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