Selfish play wearing Landry down

[bajaden]

So you helped illiterate people by posting more words? Bravo.

Witfail aside, Landry is 1/12th of the team. If he wants the team to play properly, he should start with himself. How can you criticize something while you are part of the problem. Judging from the stats, he is one of the larger problems, actually. I understand what he is saying, but if he wants to get it to work, he needs to play within the system too. He can't say, "oh, no one passes," then go ahead and shoot it every chance he gets. Doesn't work that way, people won't respect your opinions.

edit: for a guy who doesn't know when he'll get the ball, he sure finishes a lot of possessions; he is third on the team in terms of attempted shots per minute; only Tyreke and Cuz are higher.

So when the messenger shows up and says the enemy is at the gates, you shoot the messenger and think that solves the problem? The things he alluded to are true, and simply because you want to throw blame at him, which he admits, doesn't make the problem go away.

 

[bajaden]

*Looks @ fg% this season, looks @ contested 18 foot jumpers. looks @ assist metrics. looks at rebounding rates.*

*shakes head*

Landry's a good talent. I think the problem was that we were projecting his career arc as something more than what it is. This may have led him to believe his own talents were more than they are. As a 6th man with lots of personnel to cover up his deficiencies, he's gold. I just don't think we are using him properly, and the change back to his old role may have him confused because he thought he was starting caliber

Actually Jason Jones, in the internet chat, when asked about Landry said that Landry has told him that he perfers to come off the bench. He has said that on many occasions. I don't think he's confused, or upset, and to the best of my knowledge, never asked to start. That, once again was Westphal's decision.

 

[rhythmless]

Actually Jason Jones, in the internet chat, when asked about Landry said that Landry has told him that he perfers to come off the bench. He has said that on many occasions. I don't think he's confused, or upset, and to the best of my knowledge, never asked to start. That, once again was Westphal's decision.

I'll defer to you, but I seem to remember some interviews where he views himself as a starter. I do not have any links.

I never said that the problems don't exist, but I do wonder why they come out of Landry's mouth when I view him as one of the main problems.

 

[bajaden]

So first article:
"I like Sacramento, we have youth and talent."

Second article:
"Sacramento's OK, I guess. Too bad we're a selfish team, myself included, but we're just dealing with the coach's crap."

Third:
"The second was out of context. Those who wrote the article will be sacked. Those responsible for sacking those who wrote the article will also be sacked."

If it weren't an AV article, I would've ignored his retraction. As is, I'll take his comments at face value, but nothing more. Ailene is a crafty writer who always has an agenda.

There's not doubt that Ailene likes to be controversal. Its possible that Landry said those things, and they were suspossed to be off the record. If they were just out of context, then I would like to see the context they were in to see how they could be taken differently. I'm not a big fan of Ailene's, and thats putting it mildly. But its not like her to make up quotes, which is an entirely different thing from just giving her opinion.

 

[Kingster]

I don't disagree with anything Landry says:

The Kings don't share the ball often enough (selfish).

The Kings are a low BB IB team (stupid/ignorant, or immature in BB development - take your pick).

The Kings don't run the Adelman system. Why? Landry states it: we don't run the pick and roll. And why don't we run the pick and roll? Because Tyreke can't run it, that's why. He can't come off a pick and shoot the ball with a decent percentage or pass it to the guy who is rolling. So should Westphal run the pick and roll with his best player not good at it? I don't think so.

It cracks me up. The same people who talk about patience with an immature team and how much time it takes to get a young team good talk about the underachieving of this team. No kidding. They aren't manifesting their talent on the floor. Big surprise. That's exactly what young teams do - they don't manifest their talent in play on the court.

So let's go ahead and fire Westphal at the end of this year and Jason Thompson can have five coaches in four years, or whatever the hell it is. Maybe he can set a record for the most coaches of any player on the same team for a four year stint. No doubt, we can have this conversation next year with the same result.

 

[pshn80]

So, when Landry holds the ball 19 feet away, moves it around in a circular motion, goes back to triple threat, takes a jab step, and then shoots it 4 seconds later, THAT's the play Westphal called for? Gimme a break Landry.

The lack of ball movement is true, but when he gets the ball he is no better. He can argue the chicken/egg syndrome, but it's obvious that when he gets the ball he is thinking of his stats and his next paycheck, not the team.

He acknowledges in his comments that he is part of the problem. He's saying there is too much of it on the team mentioning no one in particular. Pretty straight message expressing his opinion. And he does it in a way that implys it's no news to anyone. Interesting.

 

[jsmk23]

Wow it looks like his chances of being traded are even greater.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Carl Landry just said on KHTK sound bite that it was not only taken out of context, he didn't mean it, and it was now a mute point with him and the team. When he apologized to his mates at practice today he said they knew it was not true, because they know his real character and laughed it off. Said he loves being in Sac and playing for Coach Westphal. Napear says Voisin may come on his show today (Westphal on a bit after 6PM) to discuss - defend herself and/or Landry?

 

[rainmaker]

Carl Landry just said on KHTK sound bite that it was not only taken out of context, he didn't mean it, and it was now a mute point with him and the team. When he apologized to his mates at practice today he said they knew it was not true, because they know his real character and laughed it off. Said he loves being in Sac and playing for Coach Westphal. Napear says Voisin may come on his show today (Westphal on a bit after 6PM) to discuss - defend herself and/or Landry?

And it gets more interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if Voison spun the story for an agenda she has, but quotes are quotes, and given what Landry said, I don't see how in any other context it would mean something different.

This also isn't the first time this season a player has said something like this. Voison aside, there is a lot of truth to what Landry said.

 

[ParniValjak]

And it gets more interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if Voison spun the story for an agenda she has, but quotes are quotes, and given what Landry said, I don't see how in any other context it would mean something different.

This also isn't the first time this season a player has said something like this. Voison aside, there is a lot of truth to what Landry said.

And lets not forget that Westphal got "called out" by players last year as well. Who can forget Spencer Hawes being suspended for a game because of it.

Point is that there is just to many references to it for it to be taken out of context. Its pretty onvious that player's do not agree with the sort of offence the coach wants to run.

 

[sdballer]

And it gets more interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if Voison spun the story for an agenda she has, but quotes are quotes, and given what Landry said, I don't see how in any other context it would mean something different.

This also isn't the first time this season a player has said something like this. Voison aside, there is a lot of truth to what Landry said.

Yeah, its funny to me that more than one current and former player has alluded to the fact that there is no real offensive structure to this team, yet Westphal seems to escape it every time. Even if your players are young and even if you believe they lack talent, you can still put a structured offense and defense in place. In fact, that's even more reason to have that kind of structure in your game plans. Giving young, undisciplined kids that kind of freedom encourages bad habits and exposes more flaws in their youth.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Carl Landry just said on KHTK sound bite that it was not only taken out of context, he didn't mean it, and it was now a mute point with him and the team. When he apologized to his mates at practice today he said they knew it was not true, because they know his real character and laughed it off. Said he loves being in Sac and playing for Coach Westphal. Napear says Voisin may come on his show today (Westphal on a bit after 6PM) to discuss - defend herself and/or Landry?

He didn't just say they were taken out of context, he essentially accused Voisin of lying. She was just on with Grant and said everything is documented on tape and that multiple people overheard his comments and that she stands by her story. Grant asked if she would post the recording of the interview on air, and she kind of paused and said she would think about it. Do it if there is nothing to hide.

 

[kennadog]

I wouldn't assume Westphal is skating by. I just don't see a good reason for firing him right now, although he could get the boot before the end of the season.

The other thing is, don't fire a coach, unless you know a better coach is available. Let's not fire Westphal in the mere hopes we can find a better replacement.

Part of his qualifications was he was willing to work cheap for a chance to get back into NBA coaching. Maybe the economic situation will get clearer over the next year or so, including whether there's a new arena. The Maloofs might be willing to spend more for a coach, then. Maybe they want to make a move in free agency after the new CBA comes out and then see how much they can afford.

I just regret tha the Maloofs never seriously considered Scott Brooks, who really, really wanted the job, but the Maloofs had their hearts set on Theus. Ugh.

Edit: And yes, I think Voisin writes questionable articles that take things out of context or spin things to her agenda or to create controversy. Although she probably did not write that headline.

 

[Mike0476]

Edit: And yes, I think Voisin writes questionable articles that take things out of context or spin things to her agenda or to create controversy. Although she probably did not write that headline.

The editor writes the headline.

If I remember correctly, I believe Sam Amick writes his own headlines for his AOL Fanhouse work (which is always excellent).

 

[pshn80]

More quotes (taped comments) from Landry today on Napear's radio show just now, plus talk with Voison, plus many fan emails read. From my view, bottom line, Landry made the comments, Voison wrote them, Landry apologizes, denies he said just that, referred to reporter as just crazy, Napear wants Voison's story tapes to be heard, requested that of Voison, she'd think about it, meantime Landry and Kings players and coaches are all happy, and Westphal will be on Napear's show in the six o'clock hour and will be asked about it.

Meanwhile, I think we have all agreed in the past that what Landry said was true. So...... go Kings!!! Beat the Lakers!!!

 

[PurpleHaze]

The editor writes the headline.

If I remember correctly, I believe Sam Amick writes his own headlines for his AOL Fanhouse work (which is always excellent).

Voisin's first comment to Grant was that she didn't write the headline and seemed a bit miffed that it was exaggeration or the dreaded "out of context." Meanwhile, Landry says he won't comment on it anymore and is moving on with the team looking forward to the game tomorrow night.

 

[Mike0476]

Landry is on KHTK now.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Yep, Landry said again he's moving on. I guess Coach Westphal will try to have last word in a few minutes on Napear's show.

 

[jon e]

heres carl https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_ac..._download%26batch_id%3DbFlHcXl1d0F0NjljR0E9PQ

 

[Section 101]

heres carl https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_ac..._download%26batch_id%3DbFlHcXl1d0F0NjljR0E9PQ

Said he doesn't remember what he said and probably wasn't mis quoted.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Dunno if it needs to be made into a separate thread (probably not), but Westphal will be on Grant's show next (time right now is 6:40) to talk about Landry's comments. Hopefully this will be good, but with Grant at the helm, who knows.

 

[jsmk23]

See what you started Landry? lol jk

 

[Hoovtrain]

Said he doesn't remember what he said and probably wasn't mis quoted.

Carl basically said Voisin did nothing wrong and he wanted to be man enough to admit when he was wrong. I think Carl showed class in calling in and admitting he was wrong and Voisin showed class in how she handled the radio interview with Grant. She spoke highly of Carl and made a point to say that nothing he said in the original interview was said in a malicious manner. This was such a minor thing that was blown into something much more than it should have been, but made for great radio today.

 

[gunks]

Carl never passes the ball from inside unless he has no way to shot
and even sometimes he just shots it

That was my first reaction. Talk about the pot callin the kettle black.

Hypocrisy aside, Flandry is right. Maybe we can trade him for a facilitator?

 

[MizzouKing]

On another note, Carl isn't the first member of the team to get "Voisoned." Why do the guys keep talking to her?!?!?!?

 

[hrdboild]

On another note, Carl isn't the first member of the team to get "Voisoned." Why do the guys keep talking to her?!?!?!?

Not to mention why does the Bee continue to employ her. Oh that's right, because they hate the Kings.

 

[Rockmeister]

What did Westphal say?

 

[dbfish]

Wether Landry actually said what AV insinuated in her article, or he didn't, she has a point. It should have been an editorial instead of a "he said" article.

 

[hrdboild]

Yeah but all Voison does is write editorials. She goes fishing for quotes to match the opinions she's already formulated and then she writes it in such a way that her own opinion seems to come out of the player's mouths. I'm sure Landry intended his comments about Houston to encourage his teammates -- that team managed to win 22 games in a row and we've got even more talent here. In that context it doesn't sound as inflammatory. All the stuff about "we need to run more plays" or "guys are not playing their roles in the offense properly" is insinuated.

 

[Asaf]

She goes fishing for quotes to match the opinions she's already formulated and then she writes it in such a way that her own opinion seems to come out of the player's mouths.

You just described every sports writer in the history of sports journalism. Actually, you just described every journalist in history.