Sean May: Continued

that was interesting... may is right about the back up center thing, he could guard perkins and that wouldnt be a problem. but we still need a real back up center....
 
I think May will be a pleasant surprise and will conribute well off the bench. But, looking forward, we will need more height and athleticism than May and Brock will provide.
 
that was interesting... may is right about the back up center thing, he could guard perkins and that wouldnt be a problem. but we still need a real back up center....

No kidding! Which is why it baffles me that Jermareo Davidson isnt on our training camp roster. A young, big center that can block a few shots every once and awhile...naaaaaahhh, what the hell would we want THAT for?!?!
 
No kidding! Which is why it baffles me that Jermareo Davidson isnt on our training camp roster. A young, big center that can block a few shots every once and awhile...naaaaaahhh, what the hell would we want THAT for?!?!

well we do have mason on the team now....
 
Well its obvious to me that the Kings are willing to go with Thompson as the starting PF and Backup center. At least for now. Long term, if May pans out, we would have our PF position filled for the future with Thompson and May. Could be that Petrie couldn't find the fit he was looking for at backup center and just decided to wait. Could be he has a deal down the road. I could give you endless could be's, but the bottom line is that we don't have a backup center at the moment.

I'm not a big fan of just about anyone thats left out there, and I was about to say, hey, just sign anyone that can give us an emergency 7 or 8 minutes if we need it. But hell, I guess Kenny Thomas can do that. I guess the good side of this is that Petrie isn't willing at the moment to sign anyone to a long term contract. Could be he's waiting till next off-season when we'll have more cap space. But its a distinct possiblity that Petrie won't be here next off-season, since his contract ends at the end of this next season. So why plan for an event that you might not even attend? I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapter..:rolleyes:
 
No kidding! Which is why it baffles me that Jermareo Davidson isnt on our training camp roster. A young, big center that can block a few shots every once and awhile...naaaaaahhh, what the hell would we want THAT for?!?!

Well I don't know, considering he's a still a free agent going into training camp, why don't you ask all the other teams that passed on him too.

I would have liked to see the Kings take a shot in training camp at someone like him over Ely, but come on. We used whatever change we found in our couch cushion to buy a Snickers bar instead of a lotto ticket, it's not a big deal.
 
starting the season without a real back up center just shows that petrie has no plan for this team... we were the worst team in the nba last season and petrie wants to kick off this season by adding a couple of 6'6 players and sean may. this should work out well. i think we'll be at least 4th seed, back up centers are so over rated.... who needs a center when you have m&m's (mason & may)?
 
starting the season without a real back up center just shows that petrie has no plan for this team... we were the worst team in the nba last season and petrie wants to kick off this season by adding a couple of 6'6 players and sean may. this should work out well. i think we'll be at least 4th seed, back up centers are so over rated.... who needs a center when you have m&m's (mason & may)?

I really dislike the Petrie-has-no-"plan" meme.

"Having a plan" is not synonymous with "getting a backup center". Just because Petrie didn't do what you wanted him to do doesn't mean he's floundering hopelessly. As if Petrie, who has 18 years more experience as an NBA general manager than you, can't look at the roster and realize that he doesn't have a 7-foot stiff to put into the lineup when Hawes sits.

Maybe part of Petrie's plan is not to go out of his way to sign players who have no hope of being a contributing piece in the future. Let's look at exactly what Geoff "Planless" Petrie has done ths summer:

1) Replaced inept interim coach Kenny Natt with veteran NBA coach Paul Westphal. Westphal has had a degree of NBA success in the past, and is noted as a good NBA teacher. We have young players that could use a good NBA teacher. This looks suspiciously like part of a plan to improve team play and improve the basketball skills of our kids.

2) Traded a few draft slots in the second round to get a legitimate pass-first backup point guard, and cash to cover part of his (not-so-large) contract. This looks like part of a devious plan to add useful players.

3) Drafted a dynamic guard who has the potential to be an all-star in only a few years. The debate over whether he is a point guard or not is irrelevant - he will be a good player, and we will find a way to have him on the floor. Plan to draft a kid who might turn into a franchise cornerstone? Check.

4) Drafted a tall, tough, skilled small forward. This isn't a kid who is expected to be a star, but he looks like he could pan out to be a good role player and glue guy. Again, looks to fall into the useful players portion of the plan-that-doesn't-exist.

5) Drafted a tenacious, hustling, bruising, great-rebounding power forward. For a second-round pick, I don't know what more you can ask for. He may not get big minutes, but it's pretty clear that when he is in, he'll be a positive rebounding force - and rebounding was one of our big weaknesses last year. Not only that, but he'll be pushing our starting bigs in practice, and hopefully force them to improve their own rebounding skills. Plan: improve team rebounding.

6) Signed a skilled offensive power forward who killed in college and had a promising start to his NBA career before being derailed by surgery to a cheap contract. Has he had injury issues in the past? Yes. Has he had weight issues in the past? Yes. But he also has the potential to be a good player - easily potential enough to entrench himself in a solid NBA frontline rotation. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, but he's not a hopeless stiff. And he's cheap. Adding young, potentially talented players who might stick with the team for years on the cheap = part of a reasonable plan to improve.

7) Signed a washed-up wing to a non-guaranteed contract. Yeah, fine, whatever. See what he's got, and if the answer is nothing, toss him out.

8) Outside of the first round draft-picks, added no guaranteed money beyond this year. If the salary cap doesn't drop next year, we'll have something like $17M to play with in the offseason (subtract our first-round pick). Not enough for a superstar (who we'd be unlikely to land anyway) but certainly enough to grab a solid player after we've spent this season assessing our strengths and weaknesses going forward. Plan: determine our weaknesses with this new group of players without removing the flexibility to address them next offseason.

I think we took a lot of positive steps this offseason. They will likely not all work out, but our team should be better than last year's, while also being younger and being in a better position financially to improve in the 2010 offseason. I'm sorry that Geoff Petrie didn't feel that getting a backup 7-footer without regard to quality was the #1 priority this offseason, but maybe, realistically, it wasn't.
 
I really dislike the Petrie-has-no-"plan" meme.

"Having a plan" is not synonymous with "getting a backup center". Just because Petrie didn't do what you wanted him to do doesn't mean he's floundering hopelessly. As if Petrie, who has 18 years more experience as an NBA general manager than you, can't look at the roster and realize that he doesn't have a 7-foot stiff to put into the lineup when Hawes sits.

Maybe part of Petrie's plan is not to go out of his way to sign players who have no hope of being a contributing piece in the future. Let's look at exactly what Geoff "Planless" Petrie has done ths summer:

1) Replaced inept interim coach Kenny Natt with veteran NBA coach Paul Westphal. Westphal has had a degree of NBA success in the past, and is noted as a good NBA teacher. We have young players that could use a good NBA teacher. This looks suspiciously like part of a plan to improve team play and improve the basketball skills of our kids.

2) Traded a few draft slots in the second round to get a legitimate pass-first backup point guard, and cash to cover part of his (not-so-large) contract. This looks like part of a devious plan to add useful players.

3) Drafted a dynamic guard who has the potential to be an all-star in only a few years. The debate over whether he is a point guard or not is irrelevant - he will be a good player, and we will find a way to have him on the floor. Plan to draft a kid who might turn into a franchise cornerstone? Check.

4) Drafted a tall, tough, skilled small forward. This isn't a kid who is expected to be a star, but he looks like he could pan out to be a good role player and glue guy. Again, looks to fall into the useful players portion of the plan-that-doesn't-exist.

5) Drafted a tenacious, hustling, bruising, great-rebounding power forward. For a second-round pick, I don't know what more you can ask for. He may not get big minutes, but it's pretty clear that when he is in, he'll be a positive rebounding force - and rebounding was one of our big weaknesses last year. Not only that, but he'll be pushing our starting bigs in practice, and hopefully force them to improve their own rebounding skills. Plan: improve team rebounding.

6) Signed a skilled offensive power forward who killed in college and had a promising start to his NBA career before being derailed by surgery to a cheap contract. Has he had injury issues in the past? Yes. Has he had weight issues in the past? Yes. But he also has the potential to be a good player - easily potential enough to entrench himself in a solid NBA frontline rotation. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, but he's not a hopeless stiff. And he's cheap. Adding young, potentially talented players who might stick with the team for years on the cheap = part of a reasonable plan to improve.

7) Signed a washed-up wing to a non-guaranteed contract. Yeah, fine, whatever. See what he's got, and if the answer is nothing, toss him out.

8) Outside of the first round draft-picks, added no guaranteed money beyond this year. If the salary cap doesn't drop next year, we'll have something like $17M to play with in the offseason (subtract our first-round pick). Not enough for a superstar (who we'd be unlikely to land anyway) but certainly enough to grab a solid player after we've spent this season assessing our strengths and weaknesses going forward. Plan: determine our weaknesses with this new group of players without removing the flexibility to address them next offseason.

I think we took a lot of positive steps this offseason. They will likely not all work out, but our team should be better than last year's, while also being younger and being in a better position financially to improve in the 2010 offseason. I'm sorry that Geoff Petrie didn't feel that getting a backup 7-footer without regard to quality was the #1 priority this offseason, but maybe, realistically, it wasn't.

Excellent post. This team is definitely, FINALLY, on the upward swing. It may take a year to actually see the results though...
 
Everything Petrie has done this summer has been to my liking. We were probably right in being upset at signings like Mikki Moore and Beno, but now our GM isn't making those middling moves and is showing a commitment to youth and the future.

Quoting the Capt. below because it needs to be read.

I really dislike the Petrie-has-no-"plan" meme.

"Having a plan" is not synonymous with "getting a backup center". Just because Petrie didn't do what you wanted him to do doesn't mean he's floundering hopelessly. As if Petrie, who has 18 years more experience as an NBA general manager than you, can't look at the roster and realize that he doesn't have a 7-foot stiff to put into the lineup when Hawes sits.

Maybe part of Petrie's plan is not to go out of his way to sign players who have no hope of being a contributing piece in the future. Let's look at exactly what Geoff "Planless" Petrie has done ths summer:

1) Replaced inept interim coach Kenny Natt with veteran NBA coach Paul Westphal. Westphal has had a degree of NBA success in the past, and is noted as a good NBA teacher. We have young players that could use a good NBA teacher. This looks suspiciously like part of a plan to improve team play and improve the basketball skills of our kids.

2) Traded a few draft slots in the second round to get a legitimate pass-first backup point guard, and cash to cover part of his (not-so-large) contract. This looks like part of a devious plan to add useful players.

3) Drafted a dynamic guard who has the potential to be an all-star in only a few years. The debate over whether he is a point guard or not is irrelevant - he will be a good player, and we will find a way to have him on the floor. Plan to draft a kid who might turn into a franchise cornerstone? Check.

4) Drafted a tall, tough, skilled small forward. This isn't a kid who is expected to be a star, but he looks like he could pan out to be a good role player and glue guy. Again, looks to fall into the useful players portion of the plan-that-doesn't-exist.

5) Drafted a tenacious, hustling, bruising, great-rebounding power forward. For a second-round pick, I don't know what more you can ask for. He may not get big minutes, but it's pretty clear that when he is in, he'll be a positive rebounding force - and rebounding was one of our big weaknesses last year. Not only that, but he'll be pushing our starting bigs in practice, and hopefully force them to improve their own rebounding skills. Plan: improve team rebounding.

6) Signed a skilled offensive power forward who killed in college and had a promising start to his NBA career before being derailed by surgery to a cheap contract. Has he had injury issues in the past? Yes. Has he had weight issues in the past? Yes. But he also has the potential to be a good player - easily potential enough to entrench himself in a solid NBA frontline rotation. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, but he's not a hopeless stiff. And he's cheap. Adding young, potentially talented players who might stick with the team for years on the cheap = part of a reasonable plan to improve.

7) Signed a washed-up wing to a non-guaranteed contract. Yeah, fine, whatever. See what he's got, and if the answer is nothing, toss him out.

8) Outside of the first round draft-picks, added no guaranteed money beyond this year. If the salary cap doesn't drop next year, we'll have something like $17M to play with in the offseason (subtract our first-round pick). Not enough for a superstar (who we'd be unlikely to land anyway) but certainly enough to grab a solid player after we've spent this season assessing our strengths and weaknesses going forward. Plan: determine our weaknesses with this new group of players without removing the flexibility to address them next offseason.

I think we took a lot of positive steps this offseason. They will likely not all work out, but our team should be better than last year's, while also being younger and being in a better position financially to improve in the 2010 offseason. I'm sorry that Geoff Petrie didn't feel that getting a backup 7-footer without regard to quality was the #1 priority this offseason, but maybe, realistically, it wasn't.
 
After Capt. Factorial, there is nothing more to add. Great reply and very to-the-point. Thanks.

The days leading to training camp need such inputs for the rest of the KF who choose personal feelings over what might be best for the Kings. I like what the Kings have going into camp, especially considering what is, or is not, left out there.
 
Nice post Capt. I would like to say you beat me to it, but I couldn't have done it better. Excellent! :D
 
Gotta agree with the Cap'n, at least for this offseason. Petrie didnt do a lot because there wasnt a lot out there. Pretty much no quality free agents this past offseason, unless some people out there were pining for Charlie V or Ben Gordon?

Since the Webber trade it could be argued that Petrie as a GM was just treading water in crap, but we dont know how much of that had to do with the Maloofs. For the past two summers it has been pretty obvious that we're in a complete rebuild, mostly through the draft.

I think we may start turning some heads this next season by beating a couple top tier teams....We are still going to be lotto, probably high lotto. But we'll see flashes. We have some good young players.
 
I really dislike the Petrie-has-no-"plan" meme.

"Having a plan" is not synonymous with "getting a backup center". Just because Petrie didn't do what you wanted him to do doesn't mean he's floundering hopelessly. As if Petrie, who has 18 years more experience as an NBA general manager than you, can't look at the roster and realize that he doesn't have a 7-foot stiff to put into the lineup when Hawes sits.

Maybe part of Petrie's plan is not to go out of his way to sign players who have no hope of being a contributing piece in the future. Let's look at exactly what Geoff "Planless" Petrie has done ths summer:

1) Replaced inept interim coach Kenny Natt with veteran NBA coach Paul Westphal. Westphal has had a degree of NBA success in the past, and is noted as a good NBA teacher. We have young players that could use a good NBA teacher. This looks suspiciously like part of a plan to improve team play and improve the basketball skills of our kids.

2) Traded a few draft slots in the second round to get a legitimate pass-first backup point guard, and cash to cover part of his (not-so-large) contract. This looks like part of a devious plan to add useful players.

3) Drafted a dynamic guard who has the potential to be an all-star in only a few years. The debate over whether he is a point guard or not is irrelevant - he will be a good player, and we will find a way to have him on the floor. Plan to draft a kid who might turn into a franchise cornerstone? Check.

4) Drafted a tall, tough, skilled small forward. This isn't a kid who is expected to be a star, but he looks like he could pan out to be a good role player and glue guy. Again, looks to fall into the useful players portion of the plan-that-doesn't-exist.

5) Drafted a tenacious, hustling, bruising, great-rebounding power forward. For a second-round pick, I don't know what more you can ask for. He may not get big minutes, but it's pretty clear that when he is in, he'll be a positive rebounding force - and rebounding was one of our big weaknesses last year. Not only that, but he'll be pushing our starting bigs in practice, and hopefully force them to improve their own rebounding skills. Plan: improve team rebounding.

6) Signed a skilled offensive power forward who killed in college and had a promising start to his NBA career before being derailed by surgery to a cheap contract. Has he had injury issues in the past? Yes. Has he had weight issues in the past? Yes. But he also has the potential to be a good player - easily potential enough to entrench himself in a solid NBA frontline rotation. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, but he's not a hopeless stiff. And he's cheap. Adding young, potentially talented players who might stick with the team for years on the cheap = part of a reasonable plan to improve.

7) Signed a washed-up wing to a non-guaranteed contract. Yeah, fine, whatever. See what he's got, and if the answer is nothing, toss him out.

8) Outside of the first round draft-picks, added no guaranteed money beyond this year. If the salary cap doesn't drop next year, we'll have something like $17M to play with in the offseason (subtract our first-round pick). Not enough for a superstar (who we'd be unlikely to land anyway) but certainly enough to grab a solid player after we've spent this season assessing our strengths and weaknesses going forward. Plan: determine our weaknesses with this new group of players without removing the flexibility to address them next offseason.

I think we took a lot of positive steps this offseason. They will likely not all work out, but our team should be better than last year's, while also being younger and being in a better position financially to improve in the 2010 offseason. I'm sorry that Geoff Petrie didn't feel that getting a backup 7-footer without regard to quality was the #1 priority this offseason, but maybe, realistically, it wasn't.
I was just getting ready to post a response to his incessant whining about Petrie not doing what "he" wants him to do, and you beat me to it. Bravo on the post, and beautiful job summing it up that way.
 
Thanks for the kind words, everybody! It appears that we can now also add the following:

9) Signed a back-up center to a non-guaranteed contract. Evidence of "plan" complete.
 
everything that capt. said was true, but they were all the aftermath of petrie making just as many bad decisions over a much longer period of time.

we'll have to wait and see how westphal will work out as head coach. we thought that things could nt get any worse after musselman but then we got theus... then he was gone and we had natt. now we have westphal, we went from adelman, to musselman, to theus, to natt for 3/4 of a season, to westphal.... damn.... thats one hell of a fork in the road.

i loved the fact that petrie traded for sergio ive wanted him on the team since day one. but we had to trade for him because petrie had the bright idea of drafting douby.

but to say that petrie has a plan because he signed sean may, desmond mason and possibly melvin ely doesnt sound like that great of a gameplan.... but at least they will have chemistry, mason played with ely on the hornets and ely played with may on the bobcats. i guess that we should be happy that he didnt sign them to long term contracts like he did with beno, moore and i guess garcia...

drafting casspi and brockman is not that big of a deal... i hope that they get minutes but i dont see them being the difference makers in the kings making the playoffs... i hope that evans can be that player regardless of which position he ends up playing...
 
but to say that petrie has a plan because he signed sean may, desmond mason and possibly melvin ely doesnt sound like that great of a gameplan.... i guess that we should be happy that he didnt sign them to long term contracts like he did with beno, moore and i guess garcia...

I just touched up your quote a bit, so that its a little easier to see:

Seems to me that the 'game plan' was to not spend a bunch of money on a crappy middling player, and to provide some kind of backup depth without a long-term commitment of resources ($$$). Mission complete.
 
Coincidentally, "Sean May: Continued" is what it used to say in the Bobcats media guide when his player photo spilled over to a second page. :p
 
Coincidentally, "Sean May: Continued" is what it used to say in the Bobcats media guide when his player photo spilled over to a second page. :p

Nice one! Perhaps I should have writen, " Sean May, to be continued ".:rolleyes:
 
I really dislike the Petrie-has-no-"plan" meme.

"Having a plan" is not synonymous with "getting a backup center". Just because Petrie didn't do what you wanted him to do doesn't mean he's floundering hopelessly. As if Petrie, who has 18 years more experience as an NBA general manager than you, can't look at the roster and realize that he doesn't have a 7-foot stiff to put into the lineup when Hawes sits.

Maybe part of Petrie's plan is not to go out of his way to sign players who have no hope of being a contributing piece in the future. Let's look at exactly what Geoff "Planless" Petrie has done ths summer:

1) Replaced inept interim coach Kenny Natt with veteran NBA coach Paul Westphal. Westphal has had a degree of NBA success in the past, and is noted as a good NBA teacher. We have young players that could use a good NBA teacher. This looks suspiciously like part of a plan to improve team play and improve the basketball skills of our kids.

2) Traded a few draft slots in the second round to get a legitimate pass-first backup point guard, and cash to cover part of his (not-so-large) contract. This looks like part of a devious plan to add useful players.

3) Drafted a dynamic guard who has the potential to be an all-star in only a few years. The debate over whether he is a point guard or not is irrelevant - he will be a good player, and we will find a way to have him on the floor. Plan to draft a kid who might turn into a franchise cornerstone? Check.

4) Drafted a tall, tough, skilled small forward. This isn't a kid who is expected to be a star, but he looks like he could pan out to be a good role player and glue guy. Again, looks to fall into the useful players portion of the plan-that-doesn't-exist.

5) Drafted a tenacious, hustling, bruising, great-rebounding power forward. For a second-round pick, I don't know what more you can ask for. He may not get big minutes, but it's pretty clear that when he is in, he'll be a positive rebounding force - and rebounding was one of our big weaknesses last year. Not only that, but he'll be pushing our starting bigs in practice, and hopefully force them to improve their own rebounding skills. Plan: improve team rebounding.

6) Signed a skilled offensive power forward who killed in college and had a promising start to his NBA career before being derailed by surgery to a cheap contract. Has he had injury issues in the past? Yes. Has he had weight issues in the past? Yes. But he also has the potential to be a good player - easily potential enough to entrench himself in a solid NBA frontline rotation. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, but he's not a hopeless stiff. And he's cheap. Adding young, potentially talented players who might stick with the team for years on the cheap = part of a reasonable plan to improve.

7) Signed a washed-up wing to a non-guaranteed contract. Yeah, fine, whatever. See what he's got, and if the answer is nothing, toss him out.

8) Outside of the first round draft-picks, added no guaranteed money beyond this year. If the salary cap doesn't drop next year, we'll have something like $17M to play with in the offseason (subtract our first-round pick). Not enough for a superstar (who we'd be unlikely to land anyway) but certainly enough to grab a solid player after we've spent this season assessing our strengths and weaknesses going forward. Plan: determine our weaknesses with this new group of players without removing the flexibility to address them next offseason.

I think we took a lot of positive steps this offseason. They will likely not all work out, but our team should be better than last year's, while also being younger and being in a better position financially to improve in the 2010 offseason. I'm sorry that Geoff Petrie didn't feel that getting a backup 7-footer without regard to quality was the #1 priority this offseason, but maybe, realistically, it wasn't.

Petrie has direction... IMO it's the wrong direction, but he does have a direction. The team has been pretty much worse every year, and the only reason the team will probably be better this year was because it's impossible to be as bad as last year.
 
Petrie has direction... IMO it's the wrong direction, but he does have a direction. The team has been pretty much worse every year, and the only reason the team will probably be better this year was because it's impossible to be as bad as last year.

Thats the win/win attitude I'm looking for..:p
 
Petrie has direction... IMO it's the wrong direction, but he does have a direction. The team has been pretty much worse every year, and the only reason the team will probably be better this year was because it's impossible to be as bad as last year.

Οh, are you trying to jinx it on purpose? It can always be worse!

I do think that there are a few interesting faces in the roster this year, and now we're left to see if they can be utilized properly. I am cautiously optimistic until proven otherwise (=until the season starts?).
 
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