San Jose going after the Kings

bad link. I'd like to read it. I'd think that an encroachment on the Warriors market and they'd need to really open the vault to attract the Maloofs but who knows, maybe.

San Jose is one of the worst dunghole communities I've ever had the misery to drive through (often). I'd almost rather live in Stockton than San Jose. Why would the Maloofs want to go there I wonder?
 
Maybe this link will work....http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_13529916

Not sure what to make of this. Are the Maloofs using the Mercury News to further their push for a new arena or is this a legit threat? I'm surprised because it was less than a week ago that the Maloofs said that they wouldn't seek relocation in March but now we hear this.

On one hand, I'm a bit worried because I don't see why San Jose would push forward with these plans if they didn't think something was brewing. If the Maloofs truly won't seek relocation this March, and nobody else is looking to relocate right now, it seems odd that San Jose is making a push right on the brink of the NBA season.

The looniness surrounding the Warriors right now gives San Jose an advantage as well. With a better NBA option for the big money residents of the south bay right around the corner at HP Pavillion, San Jose city leaders are probably looking to pounce on something.

Another angle to speculate on is that San Jose could be reacting to the Maloof's claim that they won't look to relocate. By continually saying "NBA team" instead of the Kings, they might be trying to get the Kings to blink. By possibly going after another team, the Maloofs might get worried and change their plans. Or San Jose hopes.

On the plus side, HP Pavillion isn't the biggest revenue generator around. The majority of it's suites are along the roof of the building while it only has around 32 mid level suites like Arco.

Also, what kind of lease are we looking at? We know that the NHL struggles financially and it's owners want to squeeze every possible dime out of their respective buildings. There won't be much left over for the Maloofs to rake in. At least at Arco, they control the events that come through. They can't do that in San Jose unless they buy the Sharks and HP. Even if both were for sale, I don't think the Maloofs have enough to buy anyways.

Lastly on the plus side, the Warriors may not have territorial rights but they have marketing territorial rights which will limit the King's ability to get corporate sponsors. That, plus a relocation fee and paying off the $70 million make this a shakey proposition at best.
 
so here is the question that needs answering. the article says they contacted the maloofs. so what did they tell them? was it the same thing they said publicly that they want to stay? or did they just not like the terms?
 
Section 101 said:
so here is the question that needs answering. the article says they contacted the maloofs. so what did they tell them? was it the same thing they said publicly that they want to stay? or did they just not like the terms?
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I hope it's not the latter. If so, they may be trying to use Sacramento as leverage for a better SJ deal by saying they want to stay. That would suck.

OTOH, like I mentioned in my earlier post, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't like the terms due to sharing with the Sharks and limited corporate money because of the Warriors.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
San Jose is one of the worst dunghole communities I've ever had the misery to drive through (often). I'd almost rather live in Stockton than San Jose. Why would the Maloofs want to go there I wonder?
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Speaking as one who lives in southeast Santa Clara, walking distance from the San Jose border, and also as one who was born, raised, and lived in the Sacramento area for about 37 years...

San Jose is the third largest city west of the continental divide, after only LA and (barely) San Diego, with over a million inhabitants, and another couple of million within 15 miles or so. Yes, there is a bad part of town, as with any city that size. Sacramento has some of those too, doesn't it? Sacramento's crime rate is higher, BTW: http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=50668000&city2=50664000

But, despite some blemishes, SJ is The Big City of Silicon Valley, most of which is quite nice, and (despite the currently messed up economy) is still relatively flush with money. My commute takes me by many headquarters of companies with market caps in the tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. I work near a bunch of people from Google, for example. Market cap: $163B. I recently did some work at the HQ of Apple, market cap: $171B. Even in bad times, these are companies that could throw some serious money at expensive seats, etc. Real estate is expensive, and the cost of living is higher, but this goes with higher wages: I've made better money around here than I ever have anywhere else. Bad mortgages and big credit card balances have taken their toll here, just like everywhere, but there are still quite a few people who wouldn't mind an expensive night out at HP Pavilion. The median household income here is $82K, in Sacramento it's $43K. And income is still higher in some of the surrounding communities.

Fans here are good. I've never seen a completely snow-free town so smitten with hockey. Any night there's a Sharks game, it's on every TV in every bar in town. Sharks shirts, bumper stickers, flags, are all over the place. (Warriors: not so much, they aren't really perceived as being local, in evening traffic it takes 1.5-2 hours to get to Oaktown from here.) And they could move to SJ without completely stabbing Northern California in the back. I know that won't matter to everybody, but it matters to me. IF they were going to move, I'd rather have them move to SJ than to Orange County (ugh), Vegas (ugh), or somewhere even farther away.

So, if I were a Maloof, and feeling forced to move the team, that would be why I'd consider SJ. Short move, more people, more money, "small market" problems greatly alleviated.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I just read the article and I'm unfazed. Of course San Jose would like to have the Kings. Not news.
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Exactly, San Jose has no chance of getting the Kings IMO...sure they have this shiny arena, but how are they going to compete in the corporate market with the Warriors, who are having problems of their own getting sponsorship...the city environment for an NBA franchise in San Jose is lukewarm, and token at best. They should stick to trying to lure the A's...San Jose's attempt to lure the NBA is like Sacramento's failed attempt to lure the Raiders back in the 80's.
 
"San Jose is the third largest city west of the continental divide, after only LA and (barely) San Diego, with over a million inhabitants, and another couple of million within 15 miles or so."

As far as dissing San Jose, imo it is just ungodly crowded and the most aggressive dangerous drivers I've seen anywhere ever. Crowded not in a cool big city way like Manhattan, San Francisco or Chicago, but in a "too many poeple live here - why are there so many people here, and why are they driving so crazy" way. It scares me to drive through not because its a ghetto, but because it is frantic and crowded. Just really not my cup of tea. I hate driving through LA too. If I lived in San Jose I'd move just over the other side of the border to Santa Clara too. If I had to work there, I wouldn't - that's it.

It's just that if I have to go there on the way someplace (Redwood City, SF, Santa Cruz, or wherever)... I always say "this is my least favorite place to be in the world".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
Why people equate a desire to stay in Sacramento with never actually relocating is something I just don't get. Maybe it's just optimism. The Maloofs have said they WANT to stay in Sacramento, but if a new arena deal isn't a reality soon, then wishes, hopes, and dreams don't matter. Relocating is a very real possibility.
 
Showtime said:
Why people equate a desire to stay in Sacramento with never actually relocating is something I just don't get. Maybe it's just optimism. The Maloofs have said they WANT to stay in Sacramento, but if a new arena deal isn't a reality soon, then wishes, hopes, and dreams don't matter. Relocating is a very real possibility.
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I think the vast majority of us understand that very well. I certainly do. And Kevin Johnson can back the idea of arena all he wants, but financing it has always been the real issue. I think for most of us, here in the Sacramento region anyway, until they file for the move, we can still have some hope that an answer can be found.

Part of what I found interesting is that developers have deemed the CalExpo plan feasible, but only in a better economy. The Maloofs indicated they were willing to wait for that economic improvement, if necessary. Not forever and probably not lots of years, but I don't think the economy will take forever to turn around, either. The good part is that land and construction is likely to be cheaper for some time to come, even after a clear turnaround is seen.
 
Did it worry anyone when the Maloof's said they are not filing for relocation this year? I mean it's nice they said it, but the way I read it was that they weren't going to do it this year, but probably sometime within a couple years or something. Nothing could get finalized anyway by March or whenever so them coming out and saying that just makes me think they are going to do it..
 
Did it worry me? Nope, not a bit. Do I think some people are trying to find a way to read something negative into the Maloofs pretty CLEAR statement and rebuttal AGAIN to those same old rumors? Yep.
 
I hope it does not happen but to be honest with you I think San Jose has a pretty darn good shot at landing an NBA franchise in the future.

The question is, will that franchise be the Kings or the Clippers?

Or will San Diego be a possibility for the "Clip Ship"?

I hope San Diego doesn't come into the picture because if they do with the "Clip Ship", and if the NBA deems San Jose "NBA-Ready", we may be in serious danger of seeing our beloved Kings leave town...
 
It would be kind of weird if San Diego got the Clippers back. Possible, but has a city ever gotten their team back after they've lost them once?
 
kennadog said:
It would be kind of weird if San Diego got the Clippers back. Possible, but has a city ever gotten their team back after they've lost them once?
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That's a great question. Are you talking just NBA or any of the major professional sports? The raiders of course came back to Oakland. Cleveland, kind of, sort of, got the Browns back. But that is all I can think of off the top of my head.
 
kupman said:
That's a great question. Are you talking just NBA or any of the major professional sports? The raiders of course came back to Oakland. Cleveland, kind of, sort of, got the Browns back. But that is all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Yeah, I was thinking in terms of the NBA. I can't think of any. Although if Kansas City were to lure the Kings back with their shiny new arena they might consider it poetic justice.
 
kennadog said:
Yeah, I was thinking in terms of the NBA. I can't think of any. Although if Kansas City were to lure the Kings back with their shiny new arena they might consider it poetic justice.
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For some reason I can't put my finger on, I'd stay a fan in that case.
 
KingsFan4Life_2323 said:
I hope it does not happen but to be honest with you I think San Jose has a pretty darn good shot at landing an NBA franchise in the future.

The question is, will that franchise be the Kings or the Clippers?

Or will San Diego be a possibility for the "Clip Ship"?

I hope San Diego doesn't come into the picture because if they do with the "Clip Ship", and if the NBA deems San Jose "NBA-Ready", we may be in serious danger of seeing our beloved Kings leave town...
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I haven't heard of any movement by San Diego as far as getting an arena is concerned but if they did, they would move to the top of the relocation grid. I just don't know if they have plans for an arena. I have to think that a football stadium for the Chargers is the priority right now and that an arena would be on the backburner.

OTOH, I like the idea of a trade between LA and San Diego. Send the Chargers to the new football stadium being built at the 57 and 60, around 25 miles east of downtown LA, and send the Clips back to San Diego.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
As far as dissing San Jose, imo it is just ungodly crowded and the most aggressive dangerous drivers I've seen anywhere ever. Crowded not in a cool big city way like Manhattan, San Francisco or Chicago, but in a "too many poeple live here - why are there so many people here, and why are they driving so crazy" way. It scares me to drive through not because its a ghetto, but because it is frantic and crowded. Just really not my cup of tea. I hate driving through LA too. If I lived in San Jose I'd move just over the other side of the border to Santa Clara too. If I had to work there, I wouldn't - that's it.
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Oh please. There's very little difference between living in Santa Clara vs. San Jose vs. Campbell or Cupertino (other than school districts....every city has good and bad neighborhoods.)

Driving and traffic sucks everywhere. It takes me just as long sometimes to get from Sacramento to my parent's house in Loomis as it does to get from San Jose to San Francisco up 280.

However, I agree with what I think is your general assessment: a vast majority of people live in Silicon Valley due to the job opportunities. There's lots of money here, which is exactly why an NBA team will eventually move to the area. If a team were to move to San Jose, it would surely be the preferred team of choice among corporate sponsors in Silicon Valley (vs. the Warriors).
 
fnordius said:
Speaking as one who lives in southeast Santa Clara, walking distance from the San Jose border, and also as one who was born, raised, and lived in the Sacramento area for about 37 years...

San Jose is the third largest city west of the continental divide, after only LA and (barely) San Diego, with over a million inhabitants, and another couple of million within 15 miles or so. Yes, there is a bad part of town, as with any city that size. Sacramento has some of those too, doesn't it? Sacramento's crime rate is higher, BTW: http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=50668000&city2=50664000

But, despite some blemishes, SJ is The Big City of Silicon Valley, most of which is quite nice, and (despite the currently messed up economy) is still relatively flush with money. My commute takes me by many headquarters of companies with market caps in the tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. I work near a bunch of people from Google, for example. Market cap: $163B. I recently did some work at the HQ of Apple, market cap: $171B. Even in bad times, these are companies that could throw some serious money at expensive seats, etc. Real estate is expensive, and the cost of living is higher, but this goes with higher wages: I've made better money around here than I ever have anywhere else. Bad mortgages and big credit card balances have taken their toll here, just like everywhere, but there are still quite a few people who wouldn't mind an expensive night out at HP Pavilion. The median household income here is $82K, in Sacramento it's $43K. And income is still higher in some of the surrounding communities.

Fans here are good. I've never seen a completely snow-free town so smitten with hockey. Any night there's a Sharks game, it's on every TV in every bar in town. Sharks shirts, bumper stickers, flags, are all over the place. (Warriors: not so much, they aren't really perceived as being local, in evening traffic it takes 1.5-2 hours to get to Oaktown from here.) And they could move to SJ without completely stabbing Northern California in the back. I know that won't matter to everybody, but it matters to me. IF they were going to move, I'd rather have them move to SJ than to Orange County (ugh), Vegas (ugh), or somewhere even farther away.

So, if I were a Maloof, and feeling forced to move the team, that would be why I'd consider SJ. Short move, more people, more money, "small market" problems greatly alleviated.
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Nicely put. And, as I do work downtown SJ about 4 blocks from the arena, I can tell you that the feeling the city has to the Sharks is the same as the Kings 15 years ago.
 
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