Sammy Dalembert

Bricklayer said:
I think the only way the Heat may be able to get into the game is via the devices of the oft injured Mike Miller. Jerk has gone off and gotten himself hurt AGAIN to start the season, and if they decide to just cut their losses and amnesty him they could get back in the race, although I suppose its still no guarantee that they would choose to blow all of their resulting caproom just on Daly.
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Waiving Miller will only get Miami right to the cap, if they're lucky. They've got about $4M worth of player options (House, Ilgauskas, James Jones) and I don't know where those stand, but even if all those players declined their options and they amnestied Miller, that would get them down to a bit over $58M - right where the cap will be. They don't have a whole lot of other salary they can dump, even in trade.

Even with Miller gone, it looks like MLE is all they can really offer unless they traded both Haslem and Joel Anthony for nothing, and somehow lose Chalmers' cap hold from his qualifying offer (by letting him sign elsewhere). Then, they could offer about $8M for Dalembert to be literally the fourth player on their team and still have 8 roster spots minimum to fill.

So I'm not worried about how much Miami can offer Dalembert. We can (and should) definitely outspend them. The fear is that Miami is so attractive that the MLE is enough to lure him away.
 
rainmaker said:
Who meant more to Dal? Barea or Chandler?

Dally fills the role for us which Chandler filled for Dal, minus the between the legs crap at the elbow, lol.

But Dally is one of the best in the league at what he does. Chandler might be the best. Point is, you need someone to play that role to even sniff long term success. Taking Chandler off Dal would hurt them far more then taking Barea off.

If you'd rather Chandler to Dally, I might agree. Have to think about it. But you'd apparently rather have Barea, then either Dally or Chandler on the roster. Nevermind that there are many more NBA players who can do what Barea did, on a team starving for offense, then what Chandler has done.

Barea won't transform anything. Dal severely needed his scoring in the playoffs. We have more weapons, and more backcourt weapons. We have scoring off the bench from either Jimmer or Thornton, depending on who starts and who sits. Dal didn't have that luxury. They had 78 year old spot up shooter, JKidd, and D Stevenson. Dal was STARVING for points/offense from anyone other then Dirk, and the hot/cold Terry. He was needed much more in Dal then he would be here. We already have two 20+ppg backcourt scorers, not counting Jimmer.

Barea's skillset simply isn't needed here as much as it was in Dal. What is needed, here or elsewhere, is a guy to fill the role both Chandler or Dally fill.

I guarantee, every single gm in this league, would take Chandler over Barea. There's a reason for that. There's also a reason you'd be by yourself, in a crowd of one, celebrating receiving the sloppy seconds, known as Barea, after every other gm takes the heart and soul of the defense of the defending world champs.
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I think both Barea and Chandler were key to the Dallas success. IMO, Dallas couldn't have won the championship with just one of them. Barea did a lot more than score (which you seem to imply above is his only skill). He penetrated at will. He broke pressure defenses. He made other players on his team better. Heck, the little guy even made his presence felt on defense (He's a pest). Not every GM is going to take Chandler over Barea. Yes, in an idealized world of "all other things being equal" they would take Chandler, but deciding upon one player over another is also dependent upon assessing the needs of the particular team. If you see a dire need for ballhanding, but are more comfortable with what you have at center, then yes, you're going to take Barea over Chandler.
 
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/12/.../landing_heat.html?blockID=619990&feedID=3722

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Because they are over the salary cap, the Heat at most will be able to offer a free agent the mid-level exception of $5 million. That might not be enough to entice center Samuel Dalembert.

“Yeah, that would be tough," Dalembert said Monday in a phone interview with FOX Sports Florida about signing with the Heat for that amount. “But you never know. There are trades and things that you could do."

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Dalembert told FOX Sports Florida last week that the three teams he’s targeting are the Heat, New York and Houston.

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Dalembert, who averaged 8.1 points and 8.2 rebounds last season, did say “chances are still open" he could re-sign with the Kings. He said he exchanged text messages with Sacramento coach Paul Westphal on Monday, the first day teams could resume contacting players after a five-month lockout. Dalembert said the exchange of texts was along the lines of both the coach and center being eager to get back to work.

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MCPATD said:
Dalembert told FOX Sports Florida last week three teams he’s targeting are the Heat, New York and Houston. It sounds as if the Rockets, with a gaping hole at center due to the retirement of Yao Ming and plenty of money to spend in free agency, are his preference at this point. “Houston, that one is the best," said Dalembert. He later added, “I’m interested in the Rockets. They have a good team over there, a running team." FOXSports Florida
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Bolded the important part. He's already come out and said that the MLE is doubtful. That leaves out the heat and NY.
 
MCPATD said:
Dalembert told FOX Sports Florida last week three teams he’s targeting are the Heat, New York and Houston. It sounds as if the Rockets, with a gaping hole at center due to the retirement of Yao Ming and plenty of money to spend in free agency, are his preference at this point. “Houston, that one is the best," said Dalembert. He later added, “I’m interested in the Rockets. They have a good team over there, a running team." FOXSports Florida
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Why would Sammy go to Houston? That team is clearly not going anywhere and we could pay more. Barring some behind the scenes personal conflict with someone on the Kings, we have to have a better shot than Houston. Or Dally is an idiot with an ego and is happy being the starting center on a less than mediocre team with no potential but will get him touches.
 
Arkitect said:
Why would Sammy go to Houston? That team is clearly not going anywhere and we could pay more. Barring some behind the scenes personal conflict with someone on the Kings, we have to have a better shot than Houston. Or Dally is an idiot with an ego and is happy being the starting center on a less than mediocre team with no potential but will get him touches.
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He's blowing smoke that's why. Just putting his own value out there. If nobody was vying for his services, we could offer him whatever we wanted and he'd pretty much have to either sign it or not play.
 
As I said all summer, if Daly wants to get paid good money, he doesn't have many options. And personally, I think he's still a few years too young to look for that lowball contract for a chance at a ring.

Does that mean he resigns? No, but we're still one of the best options for him, given it looks like he wants more then the mid level. Our club has much more potential then a roster like Houstons, going forward. Most of our roster is just getting their feet wet in the league, while Hou has a number of players who are what they are, and will make most of their improvement through outside signings.
 
Kingster said:
I wouldn't be crying if we got Chandler. I like him better than Dally. He'll come into camp in shape for one thing.
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Not fair. Dalembert was helping his severely ravaged country after a very catastrophic event befell them.
 
Kingsguy881 said:
Not fair. Dalembert was helping his severely ravaged country after a very catastrophic event befell them.
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Especially when you consider his history of being one of the physically best prepared athletes over his career. He has hardly missed games throughout his career and you don't do that unless you in good physical condition.
 
If I'm deciding between Chandler at 18 mil and Dalembert at 10 mil, I'm taking Dalembert.

The Kings simply cannot afford to hand out a max contract (or close to it) to a guy who is so injury prone... If other options are out there. And lucky for us, Dalembert is another option.

If Dalembert goes to Houston or decides to take Miami's mid level .. then yea, go ahead, push all you can for Chandler. But a contract that big to a player like that .. with that history makes me so damn nervous.
 
Who besides Dallas would pay 18 million to Chandler? Name me some and I'll get the paperwork ready for the drug test for that GM.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
If I'm deciding between Chandler at 18 mil and Dalembert at 10 mil, I'm taking Dalembert.

The Kings simply cannot afford to hand out a max contract (or close to it) to a guy who is so injury prone... If other options are out there. And lucky for us, Dalembert is another option.

If Dalembert goes to Houston or decides to take Miami's mid level .. then yea, go ahead, push all you can for Chandler. But a contract that big to a player like that .. with that history makes me so damn nervous.
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I'm guessing we'll end up with Dalembert for around 11 mil a year. Possibly 12 if his agent drives a real hard bargain and gets us into a bidding war. 4 years for 47 or 5 years for 57 or 58, I can see either. Any higher and I'd be pretty surprised.
 
The Hammer said:
I'm guessing we'll end up with Dalembert for around 11 mil a year. Possibly 12 if his agent drives a real hard bargain and gets us into a bidding war. 4 years for 47 or 5 years for 57 or 58, I can see either. Any higher and I'd be pretty surprised.
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Any higher and we should walk away....and this is coming from a guy that thinks that re-signing Dalembert should be our #1 priority.

I reckon a 5 years @ $10-11 million gets it done with Dalembert. Its similar to the money he has been earning so far and in line with what someone like Noah is earning so its not ridiculously under or ridiculously over (see Chandler @ $20 million). Its about right.

Over $12 million a season and we should walk away.

I would even be tempted to front load the contract so we maintain future financial flexibility when Cousins and Reke are to be maxed out and Dalembert's production starts declining with age.
 
Čarolija said:
Over $12 million a season and we should walk away.
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I'm with you on this. 12M is going to be Bogut's salary this season. And these player doesn't even have the offensive capability of Bogut.

Other notable bigs' salary this season:
Biedrins = 9M
Perkins = 7M
Noah = 10M
 
KingsCitizen said:
I'm with you on this. 12M is going to be Bogut's salary this season. And these player doesn't even have the offensive capability of Bogut.

Other notable bigs' salary this season:
Biedrins = 9M
Perkins = 7M
Noah = 10M
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I would go up to $12 but would not go over that. Clippers are offering Jordan $40 million over 5 years and Dalembert would be worth more than Jordan. At least he has years of work behind him, Jordan has 1 season.

Defensive big men are pricey for a reason....they matter.
 
Addendum: OK, I changed it to 7.5%. Starting at $13.7 mil (his last year's contract), it is roughly $1 mil per year.

This is concerning Mr. Samuel Dalembert, the "Haitian Creation."

At 7.5 % raise per year:

Last year.........$13.7
This year..........14.7
2nd year...........15.7
3rd year...........16.7
4th year...........17.7
5th year...........18.7

or, averaging $16.7 over a 5 year contract.

I am not advocating this.

Now let us project a number that some people might think "reasonable" and others might think "overpaid." Let's start at $10 mil next year which in my view isn't outrageous given the salaries other big man free agents are throwing about.

This year....$10.00 mil
2nd year......10.75
3rd year......11.50
4th year......12.25
5th year......13.00


This is a 5 year contract at an average of $11.5 mil per year.

For those who like to line up figures, use the Courier New font and a readable table will result.
 
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Glenn said:
Actually it's not similar. If his contracts continued to increase at 15% a year, his next year's salary would be about $15 mil and end up averaging $18-19 mil per year over 5 years. I'm not going to do the math to be specific but over the length of a 5 year contract the difference between averaging $12 and averaging $18 or $19 mil is real money even to a millionaire. Considering he's already getting close to $14 mil, we might as well give up.

Now that we are going to walk away, what should we do next?
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Yeah, but thing is that normally when you talk about contracts given out the xyrs @ $xxmil is the average amount in all of the years. So a 3yr deal going $8mil first, $9mil second, $10mil third would be referred to as a "3yr $9mil a season" deal. So I assume Capt. was thinking that Sam should earn an average of $10-11 mil a seaosn under his next deal.

The other thing is that under the new CBA annual increases are only 7.5% for your own players (maybe only Bird players?) and 4.5% for free agents you ring in, so the annual salries will be a lot flatter rather than accelerating away.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, but thing is that normally when you talk about contracts given out the xyrs @ $xxmil is the average amount in all of the years. So a 3yr deal going $8mil first, $9mil second, $10mil third would be referred to as a "3yr $9mil a season" deal. So I assume Capt. was thinking that Sam should earn an average of $10-11 mil a seaosn under his next deal.

The other thing is that under the new CBA annual increases are only 7.5% for your own players (maybe only Bird players?) and 4.5% for free agents you ring in, so the annual salries will be a lot flatter rather than accelerating away.
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Then lower my numbers but I think they still give a reasonable set of figures to stare at. I'm not going to go back over my first set of numbers but they are less outrageous with a 7.5% per year raise.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Whatever the Dalembert deal may be ... just like with Thornton, I'd like to front load it as much as possible under the new CBA.
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I had considered that same strategy for the same reasons -- to have eventual room to resign Reke/Cousins. But on the flip side if we do heavily front load it it potentially kills our ability to add an extra quality free agent here. I mean, if the options are normal pattern retian THornton/Daly/make a big offer to AK47, or frontload pattern retain Daly/Thornton, be well positioned to retain Reke/Cousins in 2-3 years but not add anybody else this year...I am of two minds. I think its time for this team to start getting good, but I don't want to screw up the future.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, but thing is that normally when you talk about contracts given out the xyrs @ $xxmil is the average amount in all of the years. So a 3yr deal going $8mil first, $9mil second, $10mil third would be referred to as a "3yr $9mil a season" deal. So I assume Capt. was thinking that Sam should earn an average of $10-11 mil a seaosn under his next deal.

The other thing is that under the new CBA annual increases are only 7.5% for your own players (maybe only Bird players?) and 4.5% for free agents you ring in, so the annual salries will be a lot flatter rather than accelerating away.
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Wasn't Chandler asking for an average of $20 mil per year then. Gag!

Part of the problem is that frequently don't know what these figures being thrown about mean. Are they the first year's salary? Are they an average over a longer salary period? How many years? I have a feeling we are comparing apples to oranges on a lot of deals. The one that throws me is when the number $20 mil is thrown about and that may mean $16 mil in the first year and for me that's a lot different than assuming the person will get $20 mil in the first year.
 
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While it remains unlikely that Dalembert would consider accepting the midlevel exception (up to four years, starting at $5 million) from a contender like Miami, the odds of him landing in Houston appear to be on the rise considering the situation in Sacramento. While sources say the Kings want to keep Dalembert, there is a significant gap to bridge on the economics and Sacramento appears willing to lose Dalembert should the financial number remain in the territory of $10 million per year. While the Rockets might not be willing to pay Dalembert at that rate, either, the absence of state taxes in Texas offers a slight edge over California and Houston may see Dalembert as an attractive and cheaper alternative to Nene or Chandler.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../nene.tyson.chandler/index.html#ixzz1foltkW1M
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Wonder what we are offering. 5/35?

Rockets are linked to all sorts of players: Chandler/Nene/Paul. If they sign any one of those guys, Dalembert is probably out of other options. But if the Rockets offer him 4/40 or somewhere around there, we may be out of luck
 
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