Sammy Dalembert

[Telemachus]

NBA Black Holes, last year. SG position.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8847

Shooting Guards Pos G Min MPG T/Min %Pass %Shoot %Fouled %TO
Nick Young SG 52 1641 31.6 0.81 27.4% 55.4% 12.0% 5.1%
Anthony Morrow SG 40 1274 31.9 0.62 36.0% 52.0% 7.1% 4.9%
DeMar DeRozan SG 56 1926 34.4 0.84 36.0% 44.4% 13.9% 5.7%
Kevin Martin SG 55 1722 31.3 1.21 36.6% 39.1% 18.7% 5.6%
Jason Richardson SG 56 1849 33.0 0.78 36.6% 51.5% 7.7% 4.2%
Wesley Matthews SG 56 1915 34.2 0.92 39.4% 42.2% 12.5% 5.9%
Dwyane Wade SG 52 1928 37.1 1.47 47.6% 33.5% 12.9% 6.0%
Stephen Jackson SG 54 1999 37.0 1.26 48.7% 35.6% 8.8% 6.9%
Brandon Roy SG 23 813 35.3 1.17 48.9% 36.7% 10.4% 4.0%
Kobe Bryant SG 57 1933 33.9 1.70 49.7% 34.1% 10.8% 5.4%
Ray Allen SG 54 1948 36.1 0.95 50.5% 37.8% 7.3% 4.4%
Eric Gordon SG 41 1550 37.8 1.39 50.7% 33.0% 11.3% 5.0%
Raja Bell SG 50 1534 30.7 0.62 51.4% 37.8% 6.6% 4.3%
John Salmons SG 46 1586 34.5 1.06 51.4% 34.5% 8.9% 5.3%
Monta Ellis SG 55 2262 41.1 1.46 52.2% 33.6% 8.8% 5.4%
Landry Fields SG 54 1759 32.6 0.64 53.3% 34.0% 6.4% 6.4%
Jamal Crawford SG 49 1504 30.7 1.25 53.4% 31.8% 9.6% 5.2%
Arron Afflalo SG 57 2001 35.1 0.71 53.9% 34.9% 6.9% 4.3%
Tyreke Evans SG 46 1740 37.8 1.47 57.0% 29.9% 7.3% 5.8%
Jason Terry SG 55 1768 32.1 1.38 58.0% 32.1% 5.3% 4.7%
Joe Johnson SG 46 1661 36.1 1.54 59.0% 31.0% 6.3% 3.6%
Manu Ginobili SG 55 1706 31.0 1.56 59.3% 26.4% 9.5% 4.8%
Andre Iguodala SG 44 1631 37.1 1.44 67.8% 21.4% 7.4% 3.4%

How come when I copy and paste stats, it never comes out well, lol? Anyway, it's the %pass which is key. Salmons dominates the ball, well, just like the other names you see around him. THAT, is why I'm worried about him fitting in here, when it's the youngsters who need, and are going to get the shots. His attitude has me just as worried.

This wasn't about him being a black hole, but being ball-dominate. Last season, Salmons was pretty much a spot up shooter for Milwaukee. He didn't spend his time dribbling around and putting up a shot at the last moment. There is a big difference.

I am not saying that I am a big fan of Salmons, simply that he only dominated the ball while playing for the Kings. This is also the only team that asked him to be the primay ball handler as well. I think other coaches saw the flaw in that logic.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Jason Jones: Petrie says team already contacted agents for @Marcus Thornton and Samuel Dalembert and team is interested in retaining both players Twitter

Sam Amick: Kings GM Geoff Petrie says he won't be using the amnesty anytime soon. Twitter

 

[Bricklayer]

Jason Jones: Petrie says team already contacted agents for @Marcus Thornton and Samuel Dalembert and team is interested in retaining both players Twitter

Sam Amick: Kings GM Geoff Petrie says he won't be using the amnesty anytime soon. Twitter

Two important pieces of news. As a general rule I think twitter is breeding a nation of idiots, but it does have its uses as a minor/instant news blurb source.

 

[Gary]

Sammy is a goner IMO. I am pretty sure he's willing to take a pay cut too just for the simple fact that he will get to live in South Beach. Quite frankly, if he doesn't want to be here, let him go. I want players that want to play for a young rebuilding team.

I think he's gone too.

 

[cuad]

It's hilarious how some of you think that Petrie thinks that Hickson can replace Dalembert.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Then use amnesty on Salmons, sign AK, and challenge for the 6th seed.

Anybody ever tell you you’re too smart for your own good?

 

[Sac.1989]

It's hilarious how some of you think that Petrie thinks that Hickson can replace Dalembert.

I dont think anyone here says he can outright but when we traded for him it was with the thinking that Dally might walk and if we cant get anyone without straying from our budget and roster makeup then he is a solid insurance policy

 

[The Hammer]

I dont think anyone here says he can outright but when we traded for him it was with the thinking that Dally might walk and if we cant get anyone without straying from our budget and roster makeup then he is a solid insurance policy

No, we traded for him because Casspi had worn out his welcome, and that is a deal you simply do not pass up, and because you really can't have too many promising young bigs. The Hickson trade needs zero external justification, and we probably would have still done it if we had even one less SF than we did at the time. It was just a no brainer. Still can't really believe it happened. One of the best trades in a long time. Not a bad insurance policy to have, but you make that trade any day of the week, no matter what else is going on with your roster. Just a pure talent upgrade at a tougher position to fill to boot. Cleveland has a very high Jewish population, and don't doubt for a second that there may have been some pressure of Gilbert to make that trade, or at least extra "incentive".

 

[Sac.1989]

sure its an upgrade but we have a similar player in JT who progressed well last season. Whilst we make this deal for obvious reasons i do feel that Dallys status was a significant part of us pulling the trigger on this. I dont feel currently that JJ is signficantly better then JT but the pair do have the make up to be part of our bigs play for a very long time. The bash brothers indeed

 

[rainmaker]

Anybody ever tell you you’re too smart for your own good?

Simply love the game, as I'm sure many here do as well.

 

[sidney]

sure its an upgrade but we have a similar player in JT who progressed well last season. Whilst we make this deal for obvious reasons i do feel that Dallys status was a significant part of us pulling the trigger on this. I dont feel currently that JJ is signficantly better then JT but the pair do have the make up to be part of our bigs play for a very long time. The bash brothers indeed

JJ would certainly help with PF/C minutes if we didn't resign Sam, but Sam does things well that none of the current 3 guys do. Cousins is the front court centerpiece. Sam complements him almost perfectly, and we have a year to figure out whether JJ or JT is the ideal 3rd PF/C big behind those two. Both JJ/JT are RFA next summer so we can for sure keep whichever one works best and get them a lot of minutes. Not a bad place to be in really....if we can sign Sam (or Chandler in that role)

 

[Kingster]

I'm not enamored with Dalembert. I'd rather spend $ on Barea than Dally. I hope that Petrie goes after both Chandler and Barea in a very big way. Then Dallas has to pick one they want to lose, and I hope it's Barea. Then we would have a guy who has won a championship, who can break presses, break open defenses with his penetration, start the offense with at least 16 seconds on the clock, and get guys the ball. It would transform this team to have a guy like that on this team.

 

[est.1999]

Barea? What in the world? Barea would be a great addition on a contending team; he would be useful, but no where near as useful as Chandler or Dally would be. Please put down whatever you are sniffing.

 

[Kingster]

Barea? What in the world? Barea would be a great addition on a contending team; he would be useful, but no where near as useful as Chandler or Dally would be. Please put down whatever you are sniffing.

Stupid personal attacks are just ....stupid.

 

[est.1999]

You'd probably trade Tyreke for Barea.

 

[bajaden]

Two important pieces of news. As a general rule I think twitter is breeding a nation of idiots, but it does have its uses as a minor/instant news blurb source.

If you're interested in college and highschool basketball, Its helpful to follow NBA scouts and college scouts on twitter. Many of them have blogs or websites. Without going into detail, there's a lot of informantion to be had if you know who to follow and where to look. By the way, for those interesting in seeing stars of the future, here's a schedule of some highschool games that will be shown on ESPN.

http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/20...ll-showcase-16-games-plus-skills-competition/

 

[bajaden]

I'm not enamored with Dalembert. I'd rather spend $ on Barea than Dally. I hope that Petrie goes after both Chandler and Barea in a very big way. Then Dallas has to pick one they want to lose, and I hope it's Barea. Then we would have a guy who has won a championship, who can break presses, break open defenses with his penetration, start the offense with at least 16 seconds on the clock, and get guys the ball. It would transform this team to have a guy like that on this team.

Well, if we ended up with Chandler, we'd also have a guy that won a championship. I like Barea, and it was fun in the playoffs to watch him shred defenses. But I'd rather have Chandler. Simply because of need.

 

[Tetsujin]

I'm not enamored with Dalembert. I'd rather spend $ on Barea than Dally. I hope that Petrie goes after both Chandler and Barea in a very big way. Then Dallas has to pick one they want to lose, and I hope it's Barea. Then we would have a guy who has won a championship, who can break presses, break open defenses with his penetration, start the offense with at least 16 seconds on the clock, and get guys the ball. It would transform this team to have a guy like that on this team.

Why would we possibly need Barrea? The backcourt is the absolute least of our concerns considering the fact that we have Reke, just drafted Jimmer, are most likely to resign Marcus, with Francisco Garcia AND John Salmons capable of playing the 2, and drafted Isaiah Thomas to top things off. That is six- count 'em six- people already on the guard depth chart with four or five of those guys most likely to be ahead of Barrea on the depth chart.

 

[rainmaker]

I'm not enamored with Dalembert. I'd rather spend $ on Barea than Dally. I hope that Petrie goes after both Chandler and Barea in a very big way. Then Dallas has to pick one they want to lose, and I hope it's Barea. Then we would have a guy who has won a championship, who can break presses, break open defenses with his penetration, start the offense with at least 16 seconds on the clock, and get guys the ball. It would transform this team to have a guy like that on this team.

Who meant more to Dal? Barea or Chandler?

Dally fills the role for us which Chandler filled for Dal, minus the between the legs crap at the elbow, lol.

But Dally is one of the best in the league at what he does. Chandler might be the best. Point is, you need someone to play that role to even sniff long term success. Taking Chandler off Dal would hurt them far more then taking Barea off.

If you'd rather Chandler to Dally, I might agree. Have to think about it. But you'd apparently rather have Barea, then either Dally or Chandler on the roster. Nevermind that there are many more NBA players who can do what Barea did, on a team starving for offense, then what Chandler has done.

Barea won't transform anything. Dal severely needed his scoring in the playoffs. We have more weapons, and more backcourt weapons. We have scoring off the bench from either Jimmer or Thornton, depending on who starts and who sits. Dal didn't have that luxury. They had 78 year old spot up shooter, JKidd, and D Stevenson. Dal was STARVING for points/offense from anyone other then Dirk, and the hot/cold Terry. He was needed much more in Dal then he would be here. We already have two 20+ppg backcourt scorers, not counting Jimmer.

Barea's skillset simply isn't needed here as much as it was in Dal. What is needed, here or elsewhere, is a guy to fill the role both Chandler or Dally fill.

I guarantee, every single gm in this league, would take Chandler over Barea. There's a reason for that. There's also a reason you'd be by yourself, in a crowd of one, celebrating receiving the sloppy seconds, known as Barea, after every other gm takes the heart and soul of the defense of the defending world champs.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Cisco is just the best. So important to our team. Not only is he the first guy back in the gym ( duh ) but he says he has been talking to Dalembert .. working on convincing him to come back, etc...

 

[KingsCitizen]

At the back of my mind, I'm wishing that Cisco would influence Al Horford to join the Kings. He and Cousin down low would be awesome.

 

[Bricklayer]

Cisco is just the best. So important to our team. Not only is he the first guy back in the gym ( duh ) but he says he has been talking to Dalembert .. working on convincing him to come back, etc...

I actually agree with that to some degree. People get on Cisco about the contract and the injuries and being inconsistent and whatnot, and on the court it may be mroe appropriate. Last year it looked like he had lost something, and whereas once he did quite a few things he was looking more like just a one dimensinal erratic shooter. But off the court...well we need veteran leadership, adn he's the guy right now for us. He is the closert thing we have to a King at heart. The guy playing the poor man's Vlade role. And those guys are valuable, even if their oncourt production isn't terribly special. Get a few of them together and all of a sudden you have leadership, and that's worth a lot. Maybe not as much as Cisco is earning, but a lot.

 

[jcwkings]

Dally is just the perfect fit here. Im not convinced Cousins can be a true 5, defensively he just doesn't show those instincts to be a factor. We need that lenghty 7 footer that protects the rim. I think Cousins is quick enough to play the 4 and we can have a run with our twin towers. A lineup like Jimmer or Thornton, Tyreke, Garcia, Cousins, Dally is very versatile with two shooters, post prescense and good long defenders (tyreke, garcia, dally).

 

[Kingster]

Well, if we ended up with Chandler, we'd also have a guy that won a championship. I like Barea, and it was fun in the playoffs to watch him shred defenses. But I'd rather have Chandler. Simply because of need.

I wouldn't be crying if we got Chandler. I like him better than Dally. He'll come into camp in shape for one thing. Chandler is less likely to have the post-contract slump than Dally is in my opinion. I don't think Dally came to play every game last year, which was a contract year. So I don't have great confidence in the next few years as his career comes to an end. If Dallas wants to overpay Barea so that we can get Chandler, that's fine by me. (But Dallas, you can have only ONE). I just think that we have a greater need at pg position than at center. At center we have the Cousins/Hickson/Thompson trio. Thompson started playing some D last year. Cousins is going to have to start playing some D sooner or later. Better sooner, so losing the Dally crutch might be a good thing for his development. At pg/quarterback position I think we've got ???

Another reason that I wouldn't mind not seeing Dally in a Kings uni next year would be that having him and Salmons on the floor at the same time could be very painful to watch. Dalembert's no-hands and highly sporadic offensive output combined with Salmons' sticky-hands pound-the-ball-forever offense doesn't bode well for scintillating offensive performances. It would be the no-hands-sticky-hands combo. (Uggh. Makes me cringe just thinking about it).

 

[Kingster]

Dally is just the perfect fit here. Im not convinced Cousins can be a true 5, defensively he just doesn't show those instincts to be a factor. We need that lenghty 7 footer that protects the rim. I think Cousins is quick enough to play the 4 and we can have a run with our twin towers. A lineup like Jimmer or Thornton, Tyreke, Garcia, Cousins, Dally is very versatile with two shooters, post prescense and good long defenders (tyreke, garcia, dally).

I don't know what you mean by defensive "instincts". If Cousins is now quick enough to play the 4, then he definitely has the tools to be an above-average defender at the center position.

 

[Kingster]

I actually agree with that to some degree. People get on Cisco about the contract and the injuries and being inconsistent and whatnot, and on the court it may be mroe appropriate. Last year it looked like he had lost something, and whereas once he did quite a few things he was looking more like just a one dimensinal erratic shooter. But off the court...well we need veteran leadership, adn he's the guy right now for us. He is the closert thing we have to a King at heart. The guy playing the poor man's Vlade role. And those guys are valuable, even if their oncourt production isn't terribly special. Get a few of them together and all of a sudden you have leadership, and that's worth a lot. Maybe not as much as Cisco is earning, but a lot.

Cisco seems to be holding down the fort entirely by himself when it comes to maturity and character on this team. It would be nice to send him some reinforcements - Battier, Chandler and Barea come to mind.

 

[Glenn]

Simple minded logic having nothing to do with skills. Dally is better than any other in a short season with almost no training camp as he has next to nothing to learn about this team and vice versa. He steps right in and plays instead of having a half a season of dicking around and uncertainty. I also think he is good for Cousins and at a minimum, they get along. As Greene found out, getting along with Cousins can be important.

Cisco is like having an extra coach and I mean a GOOD coach.

 

[acisking]

Dalembert is a likeable player and a good compliment to Cousins. But he has never been a particularly high IQ player (a few too many mid range jumpers), nor one that goes hard every night. I say bring him back - but only at the right price. On the one hand solid centers are so rare these days, that they are almost worth paying a bit too much for. But in 2 or 3 years, we may come to regret giving Dalembert a big deal.

 

[ParniValjak]

http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/12/dalembert-thorn.html

Dalembert has been linked to teams over the salary cap such as Miami. The Kings have expressed their desire to re-sign Dalembert. With approximately $25 million under the salary cap, the Kings can offer Dalembert a lot more money then a team like the Miami Heat.

Lets hope that's the case! We just can't afford to lose this guy without getting a replacement which provides us with the same thing. I just get this sinking feeling that our overexcited owners would prefer to see us getting back to lay up city with Cousins and Hickson playing majority of the minutes at the C and PF position and only bring in middling talents as "defensive specialists". It just smells like Brian Skinner all over again!

 

[Bricklayer]

http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/12/dalembert-thorn.html



Lets hope that's the case! We just can't afford to lose this guy without getting a replacement which provides us with the same thing. I just get this sinking feeling that our overexcited owners would prefer to see us getting back to lay up city with Cousins and Hickson playing majority of the minutes at the C and PF position and only bring in middling talents as "defensive specialists". It just smells like Brian Skinner all over again!

I think the only way the Heat may be able to get into the game is via the devices of the oft injured Mike Miller. Jerk has gone off and gotten himself hurt AGAIN to start the season, and if they decide to just cut their losses and amnesty him they could get back in the race, although I suppose its still no guarantee that they would choose to blow all of their resulting caproom just on Daly.