Salmons off the bench

[KingsCitizen]

Now that Kevin is back, I would suggest to bring Salmons off the bench. Having him an Kevin on the lineup is not offensively efficient as they don't compliment each other.

Salmons used to play off the bench until it became blown up with Artest's silly teasing last season. Now that Ron is gone maybe John can ease up better on that. If Kevin(the team's supposed to be main man) played well off the bench against the Clippers, so should John.

If it miraculously happen then it might stable our offense with Kevin leading the starters and John leading the bench.

As for SF, Cisco can fit the role as his plays both compliment John's and Kevin's. And Greene should get more time at SF.

 

[mac]

Salmons used to play off the bench until it became blown up with Artest's silly teasing last season. Now that Ron is gone maybe John can ease up better on that. If Kevin(the team's supposed to be main man) played well off the bench against the Clippers, so should John.

Care to elaborate on Ron's teasing?

 

[FakeInjury]

Salmons has proved that he can score 20. What he hasn't been able to do it score 20 anytime on anyone. Starting Salmons gives other GMs a fair and balanced perspective on Salmon's value. If he was playing off the bench and scoring a decent amount against lesser talent, it would do less than scoring pretty well as a starter. This gives John the window of opportunity to prove to everyone that he is starter material, which is what the kings want. And i think he is doing just fine.

 

[VF21]

Now that Kevin is back, I would suggest to bring Salmons off the bench. Having him an Kevin on the lineup is not offensively efficient as they don't compliment each other.

Salmons used to play off the bench until it became blown up with Artest's silly teasing last season. Now that Ron is gone maybe John can ease up better on that. If Kevin(the team's supposed to be main man) played well off the bench against the Clippers, so should John.

If it miraculously happen then it might stable our offense with Kevin leading the starters and John leading the bench.

As for SF, Cisco can fit the role as his plays both compliment John's and Kevin's. And Greene should get more time at SF.

I don't think Cisco is in any condition to start.

And I, too, would like to know what teasing you're referring to that impacted Salmon's efficiency off the bench...

 

[KingsCitizen]

Care to elaborate on Ron's teasing?

If I remember well, there was a game last year against Minni when Artest returned from injury and put John back to the bench. Before that John was scoring 20s as a starter but some joke from Ron2x made a not so good impression on John and he stormed out of the locker room clearly unhappy and Ron2x followed trying to make peace. After that Salmons game dropped hard every time he plays from the bench. So now that Ron is gone, maybe Salmons will accept a role of the bench ala Manu.

If he does that it's either we keep him or we can trade him faster. The thing I see of his trade delay is that most teams that may have interest for him mostly will make him come off the bench. But his noticeable drop of production when coming off the bench last season is a red flag for any trade possibilities which might result to him coming off the bench.

 

[VF21]

If I remember well, there was a game last year against Minni when Artest returned from injury and put John back to the bench. Before that John was scoring 20s as a starter but some joke from Ron2x made a not so good impression on John and he stormed out of the locker room clearly unhappy and Ron2x followed trying to make peace. After that Salmons game dropped hard every time he plays from the bench. So now that Ron is gone, maybe Salmons will accept a role of the bench ala Manu.

If he does that it's either we keep him or we can trade him faster. The thing I see of his trade delay is that most teams that may have interest for him mostly will make him come off the bench. But his noticeable drop of production when coming off the bench last season is a red flag for any trade possibilities which might result to him coming off the bench.

While it's well known there was a some kind of situation that led to Salmons storming out of the locker room after a game, I don't think it's been made public as to what caused it. I think you're stretching to tie it to a joke by Artest leading to Salmon's declining production off the bench.

And again, I think you're a little premature in hoping/assuming Cisco is ready (strength and conditioning-wise) to step into the starting role.

 

[FakeInjury]

If he does that it's either we keep him or we can trade him faster. The thing I see of his trade delay is that most teams that may have interest for him mostly will make him come off the bench. But his noticeable drop of production when coming off the bench last season is a red flag for any trade possibilities which might result to him coming off the bench.

I am of the belief that if he starts and plays all 82 games he would be traded faster. Not that i want him gone, because he is the most mature(like wine) of all our guards. So i disagree with Salmons off the bench, because of his tendency to produce less, and it would only hurt his trade value in my eyes. When you are demoted, people don't talk about it, but it would definitely hurt his stock in my eyes.

 

[KingsCitizen]

And again, I think you're a little premature in hoping/assuming Cisco is ready (strength and conditioning-wise) to step into the starting role.

We are a lottery team this season. So its not a matter of really putting hopes in Cisco as a starting SF to catapult as up. But its a matter of showcasing John or testing if he can mix with this group as a leader off the bench coz clearly John is a SG at best. And that's the role most likely he will be playing when he will be traded to other team.

I know Cisco is not at full throttle so this will open more room for Greene who I see has a lot of energy even if his not playing any minutes at all in some games.

And we should stop playing Bobby J. at SG starting this month. We love him but age has clearly gotten to him. He is expiring and he will not be a floor contributor in any chance next season.

It's already January and the signs are clear. This is our losing season. Letting John play as starting SF with Martin as SG is a lineup we tried to play to win. So after 2 months and seeing ourself at the cellar, I just think its time to switch gears, expirement on this team, stop relying on veterans whose not gonna be here for long, and try to play John from the bench. It's not gonna hurt our winnings coz we ain't hoping for those. But it'll make the magnifier much clear on what John may trully mean to this team and other teams as well. His one guy on the hot seat(fan opinion wise), so lets see.

 

[kingsnation]

Now that Kevin is back, I would suggest to bring Salmons off the bench. Having him an Kevin on the lineup is not offensively efficient as they don't compliment each other.

Salmons used to play off the bench until it became blown up with Artest's silly teasing last season. Now that Ron is gone maybe John can ease up better on that. If Kevin(the team's supposed to be main man) played well off the bench against the Clippers, so should John.

If it miraculously happen then it might stable our offense with Kevin leading the starters and John leading the bench.

As for SF, Cisco can fit the role as his plays both compliment John's and Kevin's. And Greene should get more time at SF.

When someone isn't happy with their role - they don't play well. Their discontent with their role reflects in their game.
I don't buy some joke by anyone as the cause for John's decreased production when he comes off the bench.

I think his decreased production is directly related to his attitude in being on the bench.

Last year, he was a spot starter. And look how upset he was.
This year, he's starting and playing very well. Imagine what sort of tantrum he would throw if Natt says "Hey John, we want to bench you, our high scorer, and start a inconsistent and unhealthy Cisco. But please, keep scoring like you are.."

Yeah that would go over real well.

 

[Kingsgurl]

This year, he's starting and playing very well. Imagine what sort of tantrum he would throw if Natt says "Hey John, we want to bench you, our high scorer, and start a inconsistent and unhealthy Cisco. But please, keep scoring like you are.."

John appears to be struggling with his role enough at this point. Even with Kev out, he could never quite raise that scoring average enough to unseat Kev in the stats page as Kings leading scorer, as John played and Kevin sat. Kevin comes back and just widens the margin. Has to rankle for someone who seems consumed with being 'the man'
John is probably not in a good place, mentally right now. Though if WE notice his failure to except a lesser role, you can bet GM's around the league do too.

 

[Showtime]

I actually like Martin playing the Manu role off the bench.

 

[piksi]

I actually like Martin playing the Manu role off the bench.

what is the point ?

we don't have Parker or Duncan

 

[Kev.in]

I actually like Martin playing the Manu role off the bench.

If we can get Tim Duncan and Tony Parker into Kings' uniforms and have Pop leading from the sideline then I'd think about getting behind the idea of Martin off the bench.

 

[hardware_failure]

Salmons has proved that he can score 20. What he hasn't been able to do it score 20 anytime on anyone. Starting Salmons gives other GMs a fair and balanced perspective on Salmon's value. If he was playing off the bench and scoring a decent amount against lesser talent, it would do less than scoring pretty well as a starter. This gives John the window of opportunity to prove to everyone that he is starter material, which is what the kings want. And i think he is doing just fine.

I totally agree with this. Salmons is also one of those players that mentally does bad coming off the bench. The stats show this strongly with his stay at the Kings in particular.

No doubt the Kings are rebuilding, how the future will turn out depends greatly on preping correctly.

 

[Kingster]

Now that Kevin is back, I would suggest to bring Salmons off the bench. Having him an Kevin on the lineup is not offensively efficient as they don't compliment each other.

Salmons used to play off the bench until it became blown up with Artest's silly teasing last season. Now that Ron is gone maybe John can ease up better on that. If Kevin(the team's supposed to be main man) played well off the bench against the Clippers, so should John.

If it miraculously happen then it might stable our offense with Kevin leading the starters and John leading the bench.

As for SF, Cisco can fit the role as his plays both compliment John's and Kevin's. And Greene should get more time at SF.

Salmon's ego is so fragile that for him to come of the bench would put him in psychiatric care. I'd much rather do Salmons a "favor" and trade him for value.

 

[Superman]

I wonder what kind of player John Salmons thinks he really is.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I wonder what kind of player John Salmons thinks he really is.

 

[mac]

In the bulls game early on our ball movement seemed pretty decent. Then Salmons started getting the ball ... and err what ball movement?