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Salmons 40 min 0 points. any questions?
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KingMilz
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No question, I think everyone pretty much going into the season knew he had no place as a starting SF anywhere in the L, hell on most teams he would struggle to get 12mins a game as a back up.
Its not Salmons fault hes been put in a position he has no hope of succeeding at in this point in his career, hes just not that good at anything to keep him on the floor and hes not a good fit @SF. The fault lies with the organisation for a). Passing on Barnes and b). not getting a starting level SF which there are plenty of around the L and the biggest fault goes on Smart since hes the one playing him.
I can't understand how 70+ games into the season they have not tried anything different, the production from the SF position has been nothing short of pathetic. Salmons/Outlaw/Johnson combined would not make a decent starting SF let alone with there individual skill sets. Thornton should have been starting SG a long time ago and Reke moving to defend SF's.
Nothing against Salmons its not his fault, nor should he be blamed for i, I'm sure every games Salmons tries his best but his best most the time is not good enough.
The soilder has to do what the general tells him weather hes capable of doing it or not.
Its not Salmons fault hes been put in a position he has no hope of succeeding at in this point in his career, hes just not that good at anything to keep him on the floor and hes not a good fit @SF. The fault lies with the organisation for a). Passing on Barnes and b). not getting a starting level SF which there are plenty of around the L and the biggest fault goes on Smart since hes the one playing him.
I can't understand how 70+ games into the season they have not tried anything different, the production from the SF position has been nothing short of pathetic. Salmons/Outlaw/Johnson combined would not make a decent starting SF let alone with there individual skill sets. Thornton should have been starting SG a long time ago and Reke moving to defend SF's.
Nothing against Salmons its not his fault, nor should he be blamed for i, I'm sure every games Salmons tries his best but his best most the time is not good enough.
The soilder has to do what the general tells him weather hes capable of doing it or not.
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HereWeBoogie
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not surprising when your coach is Keith Smart.
makes as much sense as our 23 year old star playing 29 minutes
makes as much sense as our 23 year old star playing 29 minutes
I do not wish to see Reke at SF full time again.
Big Cuz 15
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we have like 10m tied up in crappy sf players. that is all that needs to be said.
Section 101
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Ya, here's a question. Why did he have to move from guarding the SF to the SG? At least he was playing some D.
Salmons plays big minutes on this team because is the most complete basketball player on the team.
We need a small forward. Go get one.
Salmons is not the problem on this team and not a significant reason we lost the game. If you are concerned about why we lost last night's game, look somewhere else.
We need a small forward. Go get one.
Salmons is not the problem on this team and not a significant reason we lost the game. If you are concerned about why we lost last night's game, look somewhere else.
Padrino
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to be fair, what does john salmons have to play for? guys like demarcus cousins and tyreke evans, and hell, even isaiah thomas, are young talents out there trying to prove something, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the team. but john salmons is a mid-level veteran whose past his best days playing on a losing team in the midst of one of the most public organizational upheavals in the history of the sport. there will be big changes next season regardless of the outcome, and salmons is smart enough to see the writing on the wall. so, if he's gonna stroll onto the court and play like he's collecting a paycheck, that's fine. what is not fine is that his head coach has decided to reward this lethargic approach to the game with a consistent heaping of minutes--often the most of any single king on any single night. it's quite ridiculous, so much so that all i have left to do as a fan is laugh it off...
Letsgokings13
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Yes we need a small forward, hold on, let me go find one and just get one for you. and i dont think anyone is claiming salmons to be the problem, just pointing out how we got ZER0 offensive input from him this game, in 40 minutes. Thats unacceptable if you are a veteran in the league especially on a bad team, you should be able to make at least 1 shot.
DesertFox
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Salmons got outscored by 29 points. I'm all for players staying out of the way on offense, but then you better get it back on D.
It may not be his fault that he sucks, but he is the SF and SF is a huge problem.
If other players are having a bad night, the majority on this board have no problem with shouting for his benching. It was clear to almost anyone watching that Salmons was clearly having an abysmal night. Why Smart didn't yank him is just another question in the unending list of questions about why Smart does or doesn't do certain things.
Padrino
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well, rick adelman, for example, was notorious for riding his starters through the occasional stretch of abysmal play. it was one of the major criticisms that the sacramento media leveled at him during his tenure here. it also was one of the things i admired about his style of coaching the most. he stuck to a very consistent rotation, and he held his players accountable for their level of play. he let them work it out on the court. my criticisms of adelman were often related to timeout usage. sometimes he had a tendency to let the game get away from him, but he put the responsibility on his veterans to play like veterans, and i think, more often than not, that's the right call...
as for keith smart, my problem isn't so much with his decision to ride john salmons for heavy minutes. my problem is that john salmons plays heavy minutes while the team's superior young talents have their minutes jerked around constantly. ya know, play an entire quarter, sit an entire quarter, come in for half a quarter, sit the next quarter-and-a-half, play for a quarter-and-a-half, sit for the final eight minutes. it's ridiculous. he either ices his starters too much in the first half, and they come back in cold, or he rides his starters too hard in the second half, and then sits them for too much of the final quarter, when a game is often either won or lost. smart quite simply has no sense for game management, and i have no idea why john salmons is exception to his substitution schizophrenia, beyond the fact that he's the kings' most veteran player...
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Apparently nobody else noticed that Salmons was the only one to slow down harden. Evans/MT/Douglas all got abused by Harden then Chandler.
Darth Divac
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We need a good defensive SF.
Al-Faroq Aminu, anyone?
Al-Faroq Aminu, anyone?
Afraid not. I believe there is pretty good reason for not playing Jimmer. It was a cecent gamble drafting him but that gamble we lost. Unfortunately there is a simmer chance of getting any value back by trading him than with TRob. Tje sppmer tje better/
upinsmoke
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KingMilz
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Basically James Johnson 2.0 with better rebounding and won't be able to provide any floor spacing, if anything might be a worse shooter than Johnson hes terrible at shooting.
upinsmoke
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Yes I understand that but keep in mind jj would have been a very nice fit here if he wasn't about as smart as a box of rocks on the floor and do his worst LeBron James impressions for us.
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KingMilz
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Imo he could have a been a nice piece off the bench had like you said he not tried to be Lebron James but Aminu is the same thing he would only maybe help us as a back up, he'd be a terrible fit with Cuz/Reke.
jalfa
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the thing is, if we were to pair Aminu with Patterson, it could actually work. they cover up each others' deficiencies remarkably well. it's not exactly a slamdunk, but it has the potential to work to a certain degree. it's kind of irritating, btw, that JJ is completely out of the rotation now. he might fit a whole lot better, with PPat on board and it should at least be tried once in a while (like say, if the opposing SF completely shreds you and your nominal starting SF gives you nothing).
t-rex
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Pretty good reason..like his defense, which is so much inferior than the rest of the team
...Keep drinking the Keith Smart kool aid. He's serving it for about 8 more games. Then he'll be polishing up his resume in hopes of landing a gig with the WNBA or the D-league. Jimmer will actually get a decent opportunity and will continue to improve. Maybe even with the Kings/Sac with new owners in place 
Pretty good reason..like his defense, which is so much inferior than the rest of the team
I like Jimmer. I really do. But to say that he fits into the team right now more than say IT or Douglas is ... hogwash. He simply cannot play the PG at this point, and we don't run good enough sets to get him open for shots as a SG
t-rex
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We'll never know as long as "you know who" is coaching team now will we? The truth is he's never had a decent shot since he got to Sactown to be the PG.
Last game Jimmer got a DNP so IT could go 3-16 and Douglas could go 0-3 including a combined 1-8 from 3. Good thing they both played sold defense. Wait, no they didnt'.
Believe it or not I'm not a Jimmer homer. I'm a Kings homer who thinks Jimmer deserves a fair shake. To knock his defense when the "whole team" is allowing a league high in points per game is an insult to intelligent kings fans everywhere. Keith Smart and his moneyball approach to playing players because of their defensive ability is a scam and you all are buying into it. Our defense is bad but everyone wants to talk about how many points we've scored. Check the W/L and a dose of reality.The kings have found two ways to lose games on a consistent basis this year.
No to be honest I really think Jimmer's weakness is on the offensive end of the ball. On defense opposing guards just go right at him, but as you said we're last in defense anyway. But we can't afford to have him be trapped and give up fast break points the other way. He's got good court vision and scoring ability but his handles are terrible. Jimmer can and probably will flourish in a rigid system. I don't think he'll be a star but he should become a very good player. I'm all for giving him a shot next season with a new coach, but in terms of NOW given how our team plays he just isn't a good fit, so I don't really criticize Smart for giving his minutes to Douglas and Thomas.
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To be more specific, his ball handling under pressure is the problem. He can shoot, drive, and be productive. It's when he gets pressured and trapped that causes the problems.
Payton was a bust after 3 years. It took Nash a few years too, Connelly took 4 years, Billups over 4 years. Jimmer still has time.
Padrino
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indeed. all hope's not lost for jimmer, but his place in this league is likely as a standstill shooter rather than the ball dominant guard he was in college. at times, we see him succeed in an off-the-ball role. at other times, he tries to dribble around as if he's steve nash, and to very ill effect. if he can settle in as a prolific spot-up shooter who doesn't damage his team too much with poor defense, then he'll become a worthwhile addition to any team's bench. but to act like an unathletic tweener guard with no handles would be blowing up if keith smart was canned yesterday is, quite simply, kinda nuts. most every king would benefit from smart's firing (with a good hire that follows), jimmer included, but his ceiling is much lower than many seem to realize. to argue otherwise is to ignore the trajectory of the contemporary nba. if somebody wants to make such an argument, that's fine. but i need some precedent. i've heard steve nash's name erroneously bandied about in comparison to jimmer, but nash has always had a handle on the ball, and he's always been more athletic than a guard of jimmer's particular stature. i see j.j. redick as comparable, but he's hardly a star in the nba, and he was never expected to become one. i haven't the faintest idea why anybody would pile such expectation on jimmer...
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