Salary cap/TPE situation (not for particular player stuff)

If these figures (which somehow agrees with Section101) are near accurate:

Kings Team Salary: $76.2M
Luxury Tax Level: $76.8
Apron: $4M
Hard Cap/Max per NBA team: $80.8

then, it means the Kings can only absorb a maximum of $600K to get another player without paying the Luxury Tax OR we can also absorb a maximum of $4.6M as a Luxury Tax paying team.

This is probably why the Kings were interested on BJ Mullens according to rumors earlier.:p


Maybe Greg Oden (as experimental BIG) would agree for $600K/year?o_O
Assuming that Collison got the same amount as Shaun Livingston, the his salary for next season is $5,305,000.

Add that to the current salaries (including Stauskas) and our salaries add up to $74,871,101.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
 
If the TPE is nothing, why did the Kings bother with it?
If I understood it right, Teams with TPE are the only teams allowed to absorb one player from another Team without giving back any player/salary. This is of course true if the team with TPE has enough cap space to absorb the player. The team with TPE is the only trading partner for Teams wanting to get rid of their player/salary (which sometimes happen to be a good player) without taking back any player/salary in return. There will be times a team will be wanting to get rid one of their contracted player so they could open up space to accomodate their coveted expensive superstars. Their only hope as trading partner will be teams with TPE. The team with TPE and cap space then is in a very advantageous position.

In our case, we cannot absorb any player with salary over $600K for now lest we get into paying the Luxury Tax. The TPE for now is therefore almost useless. But the TPE is valid for one year. Maybe we can use it next year when Gay, Terry, DWill, and Outlaw's contracts expires.
 
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Assuming that Collison got the same amount as Shaun Livingston, the his salary for next season is $5,305,000.

Add that to the current salaries (including Stauskas) and our salaries add up to $74,871,101.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
I'll revise it.

Thanks!

Kings Team Salary: $74.9M
Luxury Tax Level: $76.8
Apron: $4M
Hard Cap/Max per NBA team: $80.8

then, it means the Kings can only absorb a maximum of $1.9M to get another player without paying the Luxury Tax OR we can also absorb a maximum of $5.9M as a Luxury Tax paying team.

Maybe we can afford a Greg Oden (as experimental BIG) at same salary he got from the Heat last season at $1M/year?:D
 
I hope you won't mind going over this again and again if the situation arises. It's a difficult concept to understand at least for me. Today I think I understand it but by tomorrow I may be baffled. I take it the TPE came into being in part to get around the rule that if both teams are over the salary cap, they need to be trading players withing 15%. Is that part of it? In some ways that doesn't make sense either. Crud. :oops:
Team wants to trade a player(s) for a player(s) and is over the cap. Then:
a) Difference in salaries shouldn't be more than 150%, if the team receiving more salary hasn't payed LT previous year, otherwise it's 125% (non-LT team can get back 50% more in salaries, LT one - no more than 25%, but when both teams trade at least $10 million in salaries, percentages turn in restrictions of maximum $5 and $2.5 million differences in outgoing team salaries respectively). That's the key rule, if salaries don't fit in this rule, teams cannot generate TPEs, and deal cannot go through. Teams can combine salaries to produce bigger TPEs (additional salaries and players they are owed to are often referred to as "fillers", when the trade is discussed), but cannot combine TPEs.
b) As long as trade complies with rule a) TPEs equal to that of biggest salary(sum of salaries) are generated for both teams, in Kings-Nets trade it was equal to Thornton's salary, because it exceeded the combined salaries of Terry and Evans.
c)Team, that is trading more salary than acquiring, keep the difference as TPE to use later. Teams have unlimited number of minimum salary exceptions for both signing and trading, so if TPE doesn't exceed that, it's useless and isn't kept, though teams must specifically waive it as it's still produced and is a part of a cap hold.
Assuming that Collison got the same amount as Shaun Livingston, the his salary for next season is $5,305,000.
Add that to the current salaries (including Stauskas) and our salaries add up to $74,871,101.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
hoopshype.com is notoriously inaccurate, they get in the ballpark, but lose couple hundred thousand here and there and over 13 player team salary it adds up. You should always use http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp. They had a couple of errors over the last 3-4 years (sham posts on realgm and was corrected a few times), but overall he's much more reliable than hoopshype.com. Current team salary of $76.2 million with Collison's salary of $5.1 million also explains why they draw the line for IT salary, so that they won't step over the LT boundary.
Unfortunately, it also means, that chances of Kings finishing the season with 14 players on guaranteed salaries is very slim. Sure they can carry a couple of non-guaranteed guys until first week of January, but cut them, when their contracts are about to become guaranteed for the rest of the season (a long string of 10 days contracts is an option after that, I guess.).
 
Hard Cap/Max per NBA team: $80.8

A little clarification on this one. There isn't a universal hard cap at the apron. The apron can be breached in principle, but only becomes a hard cap under a few circumstances. One of those is if the Non-Taxpayer's MLE is used in that season (as we used it for Collison). The other conditions which turn the apron into a one-season hard cap are the use of the Bi-Annual exception and receipt of a player in a sign-and-trade deal. All of these conditions that make the apron a hard cap if triggered are one-season conditions. We would be allowed to exceed the apron next year, subject to the same three conditions, of course.
 
A little clarification on this one. There isn't a universal hard cap at the apron. The apron can be breached in principle, but only becomes a hard cap under a few circumstances. One of those is if the Non-Taxpayer's MLE is used in that season (as we used it for Collison). The other conditions which turn the apron into a one-season hard cap are the use of the Bi-Annual exception and receipt of a player in a sign-and-trade deal. All of these conditions that make the apron a hard cap if triggered are one-season conditions. We would be allowed to exceed the apron next year, subject to the same three conditions, of course.

My brain just blew a fuse and is emitting whisps of smoke out of both ears.
 
Thanks. My head swims. Thanks to you guys and PDA and staff with mastering this maze of rules, ipsos and factos.
 
If these figures (which somehow agrees with Section101) are near accurate:

Kings Team Salary: $76.2M
Luxury Tax Level: $76.8
Apron: $4M
Hard Cap/Max per NBA team: $80.8

then, it means the Kings can only absorb a maximum of $600K to get another player without paying the Luxury Tax OR we can also absorb a maximum of $4.6M as a Luxury Tax paying team.

This is probably why the Kings were interested on BJ Mullens according to rumors earlier.:p


Maybe Greg Oden (as experimental BIG) would agree for $600K/year?o_O


So If we use the stretch provision on Jason Terry 5,450,000 contract that would increase Our Hard Cap Apron
by 3,633 to add to the 4.6 Mil

So we could sign a 7 mil player using the TPE this month? (600+3633-7000=2.8mil into the Luxury tax area)
but under the 4 mil apron

i have seen the question asked several times, but can we trade JT 7 mil contract for one 14 mil player using the TPE?
 
So If we use the stretch provision on Jason Terry 5,450,000 contract that would increase Our Hard Cap Apron
by 3,633 to add to the 4.6 Mil

So we could sign a 7 mil player using the TPE this month? (600+3633-7000=2.8mil into the Luxury tax area)
but under the 4 mil apron

i have seen the question asked several times, but can we trade JT 7 mil contract for one 14 mil player using the TPE?

No. Until I am corrected by any of the cap experts, TPE cannot be combined with a player.
 
So If we use the stretch provision on Jason Terry 5,450,000 contract that would increase Our Hard Cap Apron
by 3,633 to add to the 4.6 Mil

So we could sign a 7 mil player using the TPE this month? (600+3633-7000=2.8mil into the Luxury tax area)
but under the 4 mil apron

Well, we couldn't sign a player for 7 million, but we could trade for a $7M player if we were to stretch Terry. The TPE can only be used in trades, not in free agent signings.

i have seen the question asked several times, but can we trade JT 7 mil contract for one 14 mil player using the TPE?

Glenn is correct, we cannot package the TPE with a player in a trade. The above scenario is not allowed.
 
So then we have to find a 7 mil a yr shot-blocking big that is good enough that we are willing to use Our Jason Terry Expiring assest and pay luxury tax on 2.8 mil

But the player has to have a bad enough contract that the other team is willing to part with the player as a salary dump with no player coming back because they need to
create salary cap?

Wow , I just don't see it happening
 
Hmm. Memphis didn't extend a qualifying offer to Ed Davis, but could they still S&T him to the Kings into a portion of our exception, or do they hold no rights to him whatsoever?

I suppose the same question goes for Emeka Okafor. Do the suns have some sort of rights to facilitate a S&T?

Also, Udoh,
 
Hmm. Memphis didn't extend a qualifying offer to Ed Davis, but could they still S&T him to the Kings into a portion of our exception, or do they hold no rights to him whatsoever?

I suppose the same question goes for Emeka Okafor. Do the suns have some sort of rights to facilitate a S&T?

Also, Udoh,

As long as the team doesn't renounce the Bird rights (if they're over the cap), they can still do a S&T despite not extending a QO, IIRC.

The Suns are still under the cap, I think, so even though they may have renounced Okafor (which I think they had to do because his cap hold is roughly $20 million), they can still do a sign and trade as well. Still, I think a sign and trade for Okafor would seem to be less likely than signing him outright, since you'd imagine he would have been included in the IT deal.
 
Does anyone know the current outlook with Jason Terry?

Landry, Williams, Thompson, and Terry taking up $25 million in cap space is just....ugly. That TPE will be useless unless some of those contracts can be cleared out.
 
To put a different spin on the TPE, you can use it as a 2nd deal as a sweetener to push through a primary deal.

Here is an example of how it could be used in a hypothetical Rondo trade:

Kings Give:
Future 1st - $0
Ben (Cheap Upside guy): 3m
Williams (Ender/Upside Guy): 6.3m
Terry (Ender): 5.85m
Evans (Ender): 1.76m
Landry (Good scoring bench big): 6.5m
Total Salary: 23.46m

Celtics Give:
Rondo: 12.9m (The primary target)
Wallace: 10.1m (They dump his contract)
Total Salary: 23.0m

So that is the deal, and the Celtics basically take on Landry's 6.5m contract to dump Wallaces 10.1m contract while getting Ben and a Future first and a ton of capspace.

Then as a sweetener we then use the trade exception in a 2nd deal.
Kings Give:
Highly protected 2nd round pick

Celtics Give:
Joel Anthony: 3.8m

So we use the Trade Exception to help Boston clear another 3.8m off of their cap. Now Joel is an ender, but if his contract was for 2-3 more years the same sort of sweetener deal could still apply.

So rather than signing a shot-blocker with the TPE, the TPE can be used to take on another contract to help push a deal through.

Just thought I'd point out a potentially good use for this TPE to acquire a player of value/need.

I should also mention that you can use the TPE to sign multiple guys provided that you don't go over the apron. So you can use the TPE to bring in 2 guys making $3m a year, or 1 guy making $5m a year and another guy making $1m a year, ect. So there is some flexibility there.
You just can't use it, in combination with say JT to bring in Larry Sanders, which I believe has been previously stated.
 
I blame so much of our salary problems on the signing of Landry. The only way this signing can be reasonably be good is if Landry comes off the bench and scores a lot, black hole or not. We have very little firepower coming off the bench. It seems it was a signing that came from insecurity and some misguided thought that the fans needed some action right away. I still shake my head and especially because it is a long contract.
 
$7.9 million is bigger than $6.7 million, so no, you can't get Ilyasova with TPE, even if team's salary drops low enough.
 
Either one of Emeka Okafor or Greg Oden if one can be had for one year and less than the amount to go over Lux Tax is fine with me Mr. PDA.

Just give us a chance even for a few minutes/game to see how this team will look like if we have a shot blocker BIG.
 
We do get the Knicks 2016 2nd round pick from the Tyreke trade. If we could package that with Reggie Evans, I bet someone would absorb his salary. If that means Eric Moreland I would do it.
 
My brain just blew a fuse and is emitting whisps of smoke out of both ears.
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I blame so much of our salary problems on the signing of Landry. The only way this signing can be reasonably be good is if Landry comes off the bench and scores a lot, black hole or not. We have very little firepower coming off the bench. It seems it was a signing that came from insecurity and some misguided thought that the fans needed some action right away. I still shake my head and especially because it is a long contract.
There's actually no way to justifiy the signing tbh, they had no plans to move Patterson/Thompson/Hayes once they made the deal and they lucked out on trading two of those for Rudy Gay. While Carl is a solid player literally everyone on here said the deal was garbage and we overpaid for him and we did. I argued it could be good cause I thought we must have had a plan to get a shot blocker or something since we were making such a stupid choice.

That salary we gave him could be going to a starting level PF tbh who could have actually helped us and was not past his prime.
 
We do get the Knicks 2016 2nd round pick from the Tyreke trade. If we could package that with Reggie Evans, I bet someone would absorb his salary. If that means Eric Moreland I would do it.
Why would we move Reggie Evans? He's exactly what we need in terms of veteran leadership/toughness and everywhere he's been his teams have won and he's always been a solid part of the success. Plus he's cheap as Reggie is one of the last pieces I would try move.
 
I am hopeful we can do something with Terry's contract and maybe even move a bundle of players for a decent Vet, but if there ever was a good time to go into the Luxury Tax this would be it IF a serious rim protector or floor general could be had. For the Kings it would be a one year hit, and might help convince Ruddy to stay at the end of the season.
 
I am hopeful we can do something with Terry's contract and maybe even move a bundle of players for a decent Vet, but if there ever was a good time to go into the Luxury Tax this would be it IF a serious rim protector or floor general could be had. For the Kings it would be a one year hit, and might help convince Ruddy to stay at the end of the season.
Exactly. The kings best year they were 14 mil over the cap. Point is if you want to win in the NBA you gotta pay. Can't wait for the perfect storm where you have no bad contracts. Or you will be in position we have been for the better part of a decade
 
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