Sacramento: Free agent magnet or hellhole? (split)
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And practically every NBA city not named LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, Boston and Dallas is in the same boat. You're mistakenly making it sound like it's a Sacramento problem, when it's not. Over the past 30 years, how many top tier free agents have you seen go to SF, Seattle, Portland, Denver, Detroit, DC, Milwaukee, Charlotte, New Orleans, Memphis, Cleveland, etc? Not all tha many.
The NFL doesn't seem to have the same problem as the NBA with top tier free agents going to smaller markets. Peyton Manning chose Denver, whereas a player of his caliber in the NBA wouldn't do so. The biggest reason is that the NFL does a much better job of marketing ALL of their franchises than does the NBA. Also, the use off a 'hard' salary cap creates more parity and doesn't allow big market teams to hoard players because can they can afford larger payrolls and luxury tax thresholds.
In the end, the players go,where the money is. If the NBA employed a hard cap like the NFL does, Sacramento would attract a lot more worthwhile free agents. If the NBA had no salary cap like MLB does, all the good players would be playing in 6 or 7 cities.
The point is, it's not so much about the city as it is the money and the system the league has in place.
The NFL doesn't seem to have the same problem as the NBA with top tier free agents going to smaller markets. Peyton Manning chose Denver, whereas a player of his caliber in the NBA wouldn't do so. The biggest reason is that the NFL does a much better job of marketing ALL of their franchises than does the NBA. Also, the use off a 'hard' salary cap creates more parity and doesn't allow big market teams to hoard players because can they can afford larger payrolls and luxury tax thresholds.
In the end, the players go,where the money is. If the NBA employed a hard cap like the NFL does, Sacramento would attract a lot more worthwhile free agents. If the NBA had no salary cap like MLB does, all the good players would be playing in 6 or 7 cities.
The point is, it's not so much about the city as it is the money and the system the league has in place.
BTW, I continually hear people whine and complain about how expensive it is to live in CA and how high the taxes are, etc, etc.
People, if you hate it here so much... Leave. Unlike what Padrino is trying to sell, it' s not at all hard to leave CA. The cost of living is cheaper in so many other places that you can sell a house here and buy one elsewhere for half the price and get nearly twice the property/home. You know why that is? Most people don't want to live there.
I just had a co-worker sell her home here in Sac and move Ohio. She got a 3000 sq foot place on 2 acres for under 300K.
And regarding the excuse that you can't find work in he places you want to live ... The reason the jobs aren't there is because the qualified, educated people aren't there. Those people choose to live in CA, NY, FL, TX and a handful of other states.
Coming back full circle, if you live in CA and want to move to Oregon, Washington, Arizona, or any place in the Midwest, it isn't at all a difficult thing to do.
People, if you hate it here so much... Leave. Unlike what Padrino is trying to sell, it' s not at all hard to leave CA. The cost of living is cheaper in so many other places that you can sell a house here and buy one elsewhere for half the price and get nearly twice the property/home. You know why that is? Most people don't want to live there.
I just had a co-worker sell her home here in Sac and move Ohio. She got a 3000 sq foot place on 2 acres for under 300K.
And regarding the excuse that you can't find work in he places you want to live ... The reason the jobs aren't there is because the qualified, educated people aren't there. Those people choose to live in CA, NY, FL, TX and a handful of other states.
Coming back full circle, if you live in CA and want to move to Oregon, Washington, Arizona, or any place in the Midwest, it isn't at all a difficult thing to do.
The NBA has what is close to a hard cap and that is the luxury tax. Not only do teams that have a team salary higher than the luxury tax pay a large penalty, they are limited in how they can move their players. Some cities have no concern about the how much money they spend but will be hurt by the restriction on the use of their players. I do npt know the restrictions so don't ask me.
As to the ability to get up and move, that all may depend on factors other than finances. My children and grandchild are here and I will stay because they are here. My story is already in the thread but you must have missed it.
As to the ability to get up and move, that all may depend on factors other than finances. My children and grandchild are here and I will stay because they are here. My story is already in the thread but you must have missed it.
It depends on how well your team is, the city, and how much you're willing to pay. Al Jefferson went to Charlotte because they were willing to overpay him. Same with Tyreke.. he went to New Orleans. The past 30 years vs now is very different. Even Phil Jackson himself said he would have been a role on that team(probably a coach) if the Seattle stole the kings.
You listed major cities such as SF, Seattle, and DC.. who wouldn't want to play there now.
The NFL doesn't have the same problem because players are willing to sign with any team that gives them money. Most of the higher rated stars may go to places where it's already a winning team. You forgot to mention the Broncos had a top ranked defense and offense before Manning chose to sign there. I've said it many times... for a player to actually decide if they want to sign with the kings come down to either 3 of these....1) We over pay them 2) We're a winning team 3) Sacramento actually attracts them(for ex: a team like Boston offers Lebron 70mil 2years and the kings offer the same exact deal. We're both over paying him, both aren't winning teams, and now it comes down to which place he actually prefers him and his family stay in. Another example could be for a younger guy like Eric Bledsoe. Will he enjoy the rich history of Sacramento, with limited bars, limited clubs, limited things for young people to do, or would he much prefer a rich history of another city that has many many bars, better clubs, and a lot more things for young people to do?)
You listed major cities such as SF, Seattle, and DC.. who wouldn't want to play there now.
The NFL doesn't have the same problem because players are willing to sign with any team that gives them money. Most of the higher rated stars may go to places where it's already a winning team. You forgot to mention the Broncos had a top ranked defense and offense before Manning chose to sign there. I've said it many times... for a player to actually decide if they want to sign with the kings come down to either 3 of these....1) We over pay them 2) We're a winning team 3) Sacramento actually attracts them(for ex: a team like Boston offers Lebron 70mil 2years and the kings offer the same exact deal. We're both over paying him, both aren't winning teams, and now it comes down to which place he actually prefers him and his family stay in. Another example could be for a younger guy like Eric Bledsoe. Will he enjoy the rich history of Sacramento, with limited bars, limited clubs, limited things for young people to do, or would he much prefer a rich history of another city that has many many bars, better clubs, and a lot more things for young people to do?)
what i'm trying to sell? what exactly is your problem with me? hell hath no fury like a sacramentan scorned, or something? does it really bother you that much that i'm not the biggest fan of sacramento? believe me, if i could leave, i would. you sound overwhelmingly out of touch with the difficulties facing recent graduates. it's arrogant and embarrassing for you. my wife and i chose responsible independence upon graduation from the CA state universities we attended. we avoided unemployment, we avoided moving back in with our parents, and we're working our asses off to get our respective careers established...
but don't act like you have the slightest idea about how mobile we are. my wife and i are scraping by, friend. we're grateful for any kind of employment at all in this economy, but we're carrying massive student loan debt and are in no position to make more than minimum payments to any of our creditors. beyond the fact that we would have to first secure gainful employment (we're both 26 with limited field experience post-degrees) and living arrangements prior to moving out of state, the act of relocating requires a cash commitment that we simply cannot afford, ya know, little things like moving trucks, gas, first and last month's rent, etc.
your suggestion is seriously that we buy and sell a house? i don't know how well off you are or how long you've been comfortably employed, but my wife and i are living month-to-month in the middle of a goddamn recession. unless you want to financially sponsor our exodus from your beloved city, we're gonna be stuck here for awhile, much to our displeasure. but rest assured, we'll be gone for the pacific northwest as soon as we're able. we're putting together a five-year plan to make it happen, and i'm hopeful that we'll be successful in our endeavors. in the meantime, heaven forbid that someone out there doesn't particularly enjoy living in sacramento, or KingsFanSince85 will have to serve up some good old fashioned advocacy, complete with a generously-portioned side of douchebaggery...
but don't act like you have the slightest idea about how mobile we are. my wife and i are scraping by, friend. we're grateful for any kind of employment at all in this economy, but we're carrying massive student loan debt and are in no position to make more than minimum payments to any of our creditors. beyond the fact that we would have to first secure gainful employment (we're both 26 with limited field experience post-degrees) and living arrangements prior to moving out of state, the act of relocating requires a cash commitment that we simply cannot afford, ya know, little things like moving trucks, gas, first and last month's rent, etc.
your suggestion is seriously that we buy and sell a house? i don't know how well off you are or how long you've been comfortably employed, but my wife and i are living month-to-month in the middle of a goddamn recession. unless you want to financially sponsor our exodus from your beloved city, we're gonna be stuck here for awhile, much to our displeasure. but rest assured, we'll be gone for the pacific northwest as soon as we're able. we're putting together a five-year plan to make it happen, and i'm hopeful that we'll be successful in our endeavors. in the meantime, heaven forbid that someone out there doesn't particularly enjoy living in sacramento, or KingsFanSince85 will have to serve up some good old fashioned advocacy, complete with a generously-portioned side of douchebaggery...
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