SacBee: Kings notes: Hawes submits to test, passes

[Revrag]

Two days after Spencer Hawes refused to take a mandatory conditioning test because of concerns about his knees, the second-year Kings center submitted and completed the exercise on his first try Thursday.

Kings center Spencer Hawes, shown on media day at the team's training facility Monday, probably will be fined for initially skipping a conditioning test. He was worried about his surgically repaired knees but completed the drill without incident.​

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[Prince_XY]

Even if he did pass the test, I still wouldn't consider him the future starter center that the Kings should bet their money on. The risk is just too high.

It is just common sense.

Again, and I quote myself:

It will be a waste of time and effort to even try to develop this kid. He is a high-risk, physically and psychologically-damaged good; and most likely will never reach full potential to become a great championship caliber center. There is no way that we can be assured that he will play his best. He will always have reservation to work his hardest, lest he ends up with a career ending injury, and ends up losing $millions which he may never get from working outside the NBA.

A good GM should have known this, especially Petrie who has had the mistake of taking in a damaged good like Abdur Rahim. These kind of players just couldn't be counted as players who will give it their best to win, lest risking the millions of dollars they get paid.

These players will always protect their $$millions by not playing their hardest and wouldn't take the risk to get those WINS. Most likely than not, they will play at the average level.

It is common sense.

Hmmm, maybe he could be developed as our future back-up center, good for 10 minutes a game, especially on those non-bearing games, so there wouldn't be any reason for him to play tough defense. This can help minimize the risk of re-injury.


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[=LarryLegend=]

Leave the kid alone. hes young. he will be fine.

 

[John Galt]

wow I am completely shocked. I have to do some research to find the background on what Spencer did to deserve this kind of venom.

Ladanian Tomlinson doesn't put out in preseason (refuses to play at all) and I don't like it - but that doesn't mean he can't amount to nothin or give it his best when it counts.

Wow what a leap to dump on Spencer that way at this stage of things.

 

[kennadog]

Wow what a leap to dump on Spencer that way at this stage of things.

No kidding. Geez, he just barely turned 20 years old! Doug Christie had microfracture surgery when young. Guess he should have been written off long before he got to the Kings.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Even if he did pass the test, I still wouldn't consider him the future starter center that the Kings should bet their money on. The risk is just too high.

It is just common sense.

Again, and I quote myself:




Hmmm, maybe he could be developed as our future back-up center, good for 10 minutes a game, especially on those non-bearing games, so there wouldn't be any reason for him to play tough defense. This can help minimize the risk of re-injury.


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Dude, are you serious? So Abdur Rahim never played hard? What are you smoking, I want some of THAT! You can't try to generalize like that saying Reef never played hard because he wanted to make sure he made his money, Reef was never about the money. You obviously didn't read the write up about him in the Bee the other day. Spencer is going into his second season in the NBA, Oden had a risky surgery and you don't hear people saying the same about him do you? Wow, just wow. So misguided....

 

[VF21]

Again, and I quote myself:

Just a word of advice? You really don't need to quote yourself. Your OPINION doesn't get any more valid the second time around, and you proclaiming that it's just "common sense" is simply silly.



Bring some substance and maybe you'll get some validation. As it is, you're just spouting unsupported nonsense.

 

[sactownfan]

although im not going to hate on hawes for this test thing...

It does SERIOUSLY WORRY ME that hes feelin pain so early into training camp and that this test is painful for him to do... running the court back and fourth 10 times! sure he wont have to do that exactly in a game but he will be running the court alot...

this was a BIG RED FLAG.... bummer.... I hope it improves vs gets worse. i guess we will see...

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It does SERIOUSLY WORRY ME that hes feelin pain so early into training camp and that this test is painful for him to do... running the court back and fourth 10 times! sure he wont have to do that exactly in a game but he will be running the court alot...

this was a BIG RED FLAG.... bummer.... I hope it improves vs gets worse. i guess we will see...

Don't panic. The article doesn't indicate that he's in pain, nor did the test hurt him:

Hawes...said he had planned to stop the test if he felt discomfort in his knees while running. There was, however, no such struggle.

Also, it's not just running the court back and forth 10 times - it's doing it ten times in 62 seconds. If he were running it straight, that's under a six-minute per mile pace, which is pretty quick. But on top of that, he's got to start and stop those ten times at the endlines. Sprint-stop-sprint-stop-sprint-stop...that's stressful on the knees, especially when you're 7 feet tall and have a history of knee problems.

But despite that, he did it without any pain.

Don't panic.

 

[VF21]

although im not going to hate on hawes for this test thing...

It does SERIOUSLY WORRY ME that hes feelin pain so early into training camp and that this test is painful for him to do... running the court back and fourth 10 times! sure he wont have to do that exactly in a game but he will be running the court alot...

this was a BIG RED FLAG.... bummer.... I hope it improves vs gets worse. i guess we will see...

Um, what?

Dude, there wasn't any pain. That was the whole thing. Hawes was rightfully a little concerned considering what happened last year but he ran the test, IT DIDN'T HURT and he passed the first time.

There is no big red flag. There is, of course, the always-present reminder that reading is fundamental...

This is how false rumors get started. Hawes had NO PROBLEM with the test.

 

[sactownfan]

HEY NEWS ALERT! YEAH! he was in enough pain that Hawes brought it up... look into all the articles of hawes and him finishing this test! come on now you guys are way more into this than i am... look it up!

 

[Gary]

What scares me is that he THINKS there could be pain in doing this..

I am using my mountain bike riding analogy again (since that's what I do lol)..

Anyhow, lets say I took a technical downhill too hard and crashed injuring my wrist... I am out of my cast 8 weeks later, and when I get back to this same technical part of a downhill I decide to walk my bike down the hill out of fear of injuring my wrist again. Lets say I am about to race a downhill race... I cannot have that type of attitude going into a race walking my bike down something that I think "could" injure me although it only did it once in about 100 times going down the hill..

What I am saying is that he shouldn't worry, he should get his butt out there and run like he was in a game.. It worries me that he thinks he might get injured running back and forth on the floor..

 

[Prince_XY]

Dude, are you serious? So Abdur Rahim never played hard? What are you smoking, I want some of THAT! You can't try to generalize like that saying Reef never played hard because he wanted to make sure he made his money, Reef was never about the money. You obviously didn't read the write up about him in the Bee the other day. Spencer is going into his second season in the NBA, Oden had a risky surgery and you don't hear people saying the same about him do you? Wow, just wow. So misguided....

I apologize if I offended you with my previous post. I assure you I am not smoking anything, that is why I can still think clearly.

Put yourself in a position where you are an NBA player earning $$millions ( and not just $300,000 a year like most ordinary Doctors and Lawyers probably earn a year after years of hardwork in school ), and you love playing in the NBA with all the glits and glory surrounding it.

Now, imagine you have a previous injury which can recur anytime if you play your hardest game-after-game - and this injury can potentially end your career.

Would you play the hardest as you can and risk losing your $millions and end up not able to play anymore in the NBA?

My friend, we are not talking about hundreds of thousands here. We are talking about $millions a year which probably can make most of us drool. It is like winning the California Lotto year-after-year depending on how long is your contract. And even if money wouldn't come into play in making this hard decision, I am pretty sure the love of being able to play longer in the NBA does.

And regarding comparing Oden and Hawse, who says Oden is not a risk?



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[Prince_XY]

Just a word of advice? You really don't need to quote yourself. Your OPINION doesn't get any more valid the second time around, and you proclaiming that it's just "common sense" is simply silly.



Bring some substance and maybe you'll get some validation. As it is, you're just spouting unsupported nonsense.

I am sorry if I offended you with my previous post.

Just read my response to kingsgurl881 and maybe my point will make more sense.


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[bajaden]

I apologize if I offended you with my previous post. I assure you I am not smoking anything, that is why I can still think clearly.

Put yourself in a position where you are an NBA player earning $$millions ( and not just $300,000 a year like most ordinary Doctors and Lawyers probably earn a year after years of hardwork in school ), and you love playing in the NBA with all the glits and glory surrounding it.

Now, imagine you have a previous injury which can recur anytime if you play your hardest game-after-game - and this injury can potentially end your career.

Would you play the hardest as you can and risk losing your $millions and end up not able to play anymore in the NBA?

My friend, we are not talking about hundreds of thousands here. We are talking about $millions a year which probably can make most of us drool. It is like winning the California Lotto year-after-year depending on how long is your contract. And even if money wouldn't come into play in making this hard decision, I am pretty sure the love of being able to play longer in the NBA does.

And regarding comparing Oden and Hawse, who says Oden is not a risk?



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Most players that are competitive by nature, don't think of money when their out on the floor of a basketball court or the baseball field, or whatever endevor their involved in. I'm not saying that players don't worry about what can happen, especially after having knee surgery. I think its perfectly normal to have concerns about re-injury.

Every person I've known that has had knee surgery, has been reluctant to throw themselves back into the game with the same fire and intensity that preceeded the injury. But, when it became apparent that they were still able to do the things they could do before, they were fine. Hawes is young, and history tells us that this type of surgery is usually more sucessful when done on a young player. I know that when I tore my rotator cuff, every little pain or tweak was exaggerated in my mind for quite a while.

I've never been " The sky is falling " type. So please, lets not exaggerate things out of proportion. I saw nothing last year to indicate that he had any problem with his knee. Only with his shot.