RUMOR-Ron to NY?
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Fear the Putin
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This had nothing to do with the N.Y. trade, but at the same time it wasnt worth starting a new thread
here it is:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=bucheronkobestatus
At least we know that Petrie is trying out there and isnt sitting still.
here it is:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=bucheronkobestatus
At least we know that Petrie is trying out there and isnt sitting still.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
What exactly does Odom for Artest do for us? Absolutely nothing! That's what it does for us. At least he's trying? Trying to do what? Make stupid and pointless moves?
Odom would be a valuable piece if he could pull that off.....salaries don't match at all though.
Fear the Putin
Starter
let me counter respond and pretend you didnt read my first post yet...
what IF kenny was thrown into the deal to match salaries
Guys who are pissed off at Petrie for not getting anything done may want to look at it this way......he hasn't made a bad move yet either. I'm sure we'll get some people responding to this by saying Moore's signing was bad. Moore comes off the book when he needs to. Price wanted more than we were willing to give up....sorry Price fans but he is a backup and let's not make a big deal over losing a career backup.
I'm talking more of the trading of Bibby, Artest and/or B Miller. Those are the make or break deals that Petrie is waiting on. He's being patient until the right deal comes along. It's not like alot of teams are clamoring for our 3 players. Bibby coming off a bad year and has a bad contract, Artest is Artest, and B Miller just sucks.
I'm talking more of the trading of Bibby, Artest and/or B Miller. Those are the make or break deals that Petrie is waiting on. He's being patient until the right deal comes along. It's not like alot of teams are clamoring for our 3 players. Bibby coming off a bad year and has a bad contract, Artest is Artest, and B Miller just sucks.
Vlade4GM
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Valuable for what? He won't get us into the playoffs or at least anywhere that would matter and he won't help us rebuild. What does he do again?
Vlade4GM
All-Star
How long has been doing that again? Newsflash, it'll never come along because obviously he's too gunshy.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
His mid range shot sucks as much as his 3 pt shot does.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Odom is not the answer for a rebuilding squad, but he guy is a heckuva player if there is an attempt to initmate otherwise. Not an All Star, but just south. If we mattered, he would always be an interesting pickup. And as we don't , if that trade's there, then it represnets a way to get stable value out of Artest and secure a future trade chip.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
He's a good all around player, 3rd option at best, role playing starter. He's injury prone and he gets paid quite a bit so I don't think his trade value is all that great but still probably better than what we got. Call me pessimistic but I don't think Petrie would be thinking about Odom as a future trade piece, more along the lines of a futile win now piece. However you do make a solid point on maximizing trade value, it's just not a good rebuilding move which should be our goal.
He creates mismatch problems and basically would be the most talented guy on our team. You must be kidding.
So a guy who is to quick for power forwards to guard, who can knock down a 3, can post up smaller SF's, can penetrate, pass, run, and board....your going to knock his mid-range J?
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Artest right now is the easily the most talented guy on our roster, it's a pretty irrelevant label but that's beside the point. Odom is not an over the top player and he's not a rebuilding piece. He doesn't really get us anywhere. lateral move for the most part.
Miles and Miles
G-League
Here is some more Artest to the Knicks stuff. Will it happen? Like this guy says the Knicks have been rumored to be trading for every superstar out there.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/08/artest_rumor_a_false_alarm.html
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/08/artest_rumor_a_false_alarm.html
its a lateral move that provides us with a good trading chip. last season, the Lakers were off to a great start... without Kobe! A lot of that had to do with Odom. Odom would have a chance to shine here, and could eventually be traded
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
true. if we can get anything of value out of artest would be great. odom would be towards the end of his contract which is appealing to other teams trying to get under the cap. if we could trade KT and Artest (both of our problem players) .. even better
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I just don't want him to get overrated here but apparently there's no stopping this.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Odom has had plenty of chances to shine in his career. He is and always will be the same player he's always been.
Odom, the player not the Lakers, I like. He's a very good player, but he's a 2nd fiddle guy. Much like Mike Bibby is. In fact, I'd say he's a similar level player as Mike Bibby at the 3/4 position as Mike is at PG. the fact of the matter is, Artest > Odom in nearly every facet of the game other than rebounding. I actually think Odom may be a better fit for our roster than Artest, but Artest is the better player. It's either wash or vantage Artest minus rebounding.
Artest=Odom I think both create mismatch problems on offense. Odom with his length and quickness, Artest with his strength. Odom seems much more of a team oriented player on offense while Artest tends not to be. I don't think there's any argument that Artest is better on defense. Rebounding edge goes to Odom. 3-point shooting is about the same. Passing absolutely goes to Odom. Odom is more of a 4 while Artest is a 3. Odom still gets more assists than Artest...in fact he would be on par with B Miller as far as passing big men. Both miss games, Odom because of injuries and Artest because of, well, being Ron-Ron.
I agree that Odom is a 2nd option on teams but he's also a guy capable of doing more in the right situation. Always thought that if you put him in the Adelman offense, he would blossom.
Artest is a better basketball player than Odom, no question about it. but... Artest is crazy, Odom is sane. in my opinion, that makes them equal. Ron might be crazy and disruptive one game, trying to take over and do stuff he shouldn't be doing, but the next night he may play his best basketball and be the best team player there is. he'll go up and down easily. Odom on the other hand will be on an even keel, and you'll get consistency from him every night.
so we have to look at it from a different perspective... like trade value. we might be able to trade Ron to the Knicks or the Heat. Ron would be pretty well behaved in NY, and there's no way he acts out for Riley, Shaq and Wade. he'd also do well with the Lakers under Phil.
Odom, if we traded for him, is a strong role player who does a bit of everything. he could definitely be used as trade bait with a lot of other teams that would never want Artest, and we could probably get some value for him.
Artest has less trade options IMO, but i think we could get more valuable players from the teams that would want him. we might be able to pry away Lee or Balkman from New York, along with a contract that expires in a few years. Miami has Wright, who is young and talented, plus JWill1 as an expiring.
so once again, they're about equal
so we have to look at it from a different perspective... like trade value. we might be able to trade Ron to the Knicks or the Heat. Ron would be pretty well behaved in NY, and there's no way he acts out for Riley, Shaq and Wade. he'd also do well with the Lakers under Phil.
Odom, if we traded for him, is a strong role player who does a bit of everything. he could definitely be used as trade bait with a lot of other teams that would never want Artest, and we could probably get some value for him.
Artest has less trade options IMO, but i think we could get more valuable players from the teams that would want him. we might be able to pry away Lee or Balkman from New York, along with a contract that expires in a few years. Miami has Wright, who is young and talented, plus JWill1 as an expiring.
so once again, they're about equal
How the Knicks could turn down an offer like this is beyond me. Balkman is nice but he has no offensive game. His value is somewhat limited because of that. He's an energy guy that plays defense. I'd love to have the guy but in reality Artest is a top 20-30 talent with a good contract. Artest could be a difference maker on that team. Balkman can't. If NY turned down an offer of Balkman, Collins and Rose or a Balkman, Robinson, Collins or whatever deal, Zeke is an idiot......then again it's Zeke.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Actually unless my math is off I think it should work either way -- remember its within 25% under the new CBA. So Ron's salary is $7.8mil, + (7.8 x.25) = 7.8 + 1.95 = $9.75mil, so I think anything under that would fly. Meanwhile Malik ($7.1) Nate ($1.27) Renaldo ($1.23) = $9.6mil. So should work. (Malik, Renaldo + Collins = $9.37).
Not just a question of them biting unfortunately (and that 1st is the kicker for me). You have to have a motivated seller too. I'm not sure ours has a pulse, let alone motivation.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The Knicks are reluctant for the same reason everybody else is reluctant -- Ron Artest can destroy you as quick as he can help you. In particular when you are on thin ice like Zeke, you have to think about it. He's the ultimate loose cannon. This is why I was hoping that Riley would be the guy to take the risk -- as the unchallenged god-emperor down in Miami, thought he of all people would have the hubris to take on Artest, knowing if it did not work out he held all the cards and could just banish him from the kingdom with minimal damage done to his stature.
chrisnu
Bench
You're correct; I just used the ESPN Trade Machine.
It reported Artest's salary as 7.4 million, rather than the correct 7.8 million.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
What does it do? It exchanges insanity for sanity. I'll take that deal every day.
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