Rondo interview after game last night

Love it. Like the old song from movie Chicago "Razzle Dazzle" them with innuendo and BS and enjoy the off-in-left-field result whilt the Kings fly under the radar even more.
 
celtics33 said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2579039-rajon-rondo-comments-on-relationship-with-george-karl

I have just been on bleacher report... some people are just stupid or full of hate, often both...

The amount of anger and frustration in those comments is just absurd.. and none had the decency to eat back any of one's comments once the whole interview was confirmed to be a prank. Wtf??? Has RR dated and dumped every haters' sister?
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Well, this Adam Henry is even worse! I was not sure where to put this and it probably does not deserve mentioning, but I guess we need to stay abreast of what is being broadcast.

The (joking) Rajon Rondo/George Karl 'feud' is not Sacramento's big problem

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...s-not-sacramento-s-big-problem-002610338.html
 
Holy crap Dwyer has it out for us!

My running theory is that he hit on Vivek's daughter and was brutally rejected, perhaps even escorted away by security. He does have those "To Catch a Predator" good looks... and charm to match!
 
gunks said:
Holy crap Dwyer has it out for us!

My running theory is that he hit on Vivek's daughter and was brutally rejected, perhaps even escorted away by security. He does have those "To Catch a Predator" good looks... and charm to match!
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He is not worthy of cleaning the dust off her shoes.
 
CVKingsfan said:
Well, this Adam Henry is even worse! I was not sure where to put this and it probably does not deserve mentioning, but I guess we need to stay abreast of what is being broadcast.

The (joking) Rajon Rondo/George Karl 'feud' is not Sacramento's big problem

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...s-not-sacramento-s-big-problem-002610338.html
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Bleacher report, Rolling stone and Yahoo seem to be making a living out of throwing *hit on the Kings... and this is just preseason... I wonder what would happen once the RS starts...
 
celtics33 said:
Bleacher report, Rolling stone and Yahoo seem to be making a living out of throwing *hit on the Kings... and this is just preseason... I wonder what would happen once the RS starts...
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As a Celtic's fan, I assume you have not experienced quite the challenges we have experienced over the last several years as Kings fans. It has been this way for several years now. However, I believe only the strongest are given the challenges we have faced, and it will only make us better. The possibilities of this year have me holding my head up high. GO KINGS!!!

PS Extremely happy to have you onboard!
 
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The Hammer said:
No, you're right on point.

Let's all just admit we are finally dealing with an intelligent player with opinions and a personality and a sense of humor. Intelligence and a sense of humor go hand in hand.

Karl is also one smart mother ****er. That's why they get along.
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Throw in DeMarcus with his epic Twitter game and media disdain and we are going to have a good time messing with all of them this year. You can bet those 3 will think of all kinds of ways to dress and serve crow.
 
sono said:
Well, I am one of many who fell for it. :(

@celtics33 is that typical of him?
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There's a number of my fellow Celtics fans that expressed significant dislike as soon as RR was shipped to Dallas, turning into some senseless denial state of mind towards all the guy has been doing in green uniform. Pro-Rondo fans have been clashing with last-hours haters just outside the TD Garden, when not right on the standings.
Personally, I have treasured every single game I have seen Rajon wearing the Celtics jersey and I have never noticed anything but total devotion to the team he has been playing for.
Out of pure curiosity and, yes, the wish to keep watching the guy creating basketball on the hardwood, I watched every Dallas game since RR was acquired, until their last game.
Their coach is a former Celtic and I always thought of him as a pretty straight guy, but I really don't think what happened in Dallas was Rondo's fault.
They knew who he was, how did he play, his trademarks.
My feeling is that Rajon was acquired by Dallas management and ownership but Carlisle didn't really ask for him, nor was he happy to have RR in his roster because he had no clue about how to implement his skills into his "ball-to-Dirk-no-matter-what-system".
The rest is history. Apart from the ridiculous amount of experts, bloggers, reporters, insiders... each one with one brand new truth and RR the main star of their horror motion picture. Everyone feeling entitled to have an opinion and spreading it on their anonymous blogs as pure Gospel, though they basically had never even got close to Rondo, nor they ever had developed any reliable insight.
Ask his former teammates in Boston, read what Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce think and say about Rajon and you can do the math.

"That's that fire, man," Garnett says, every syllable punctuated with his signature fury. "That's that alpha fire that's in you. That's that knuckle-down, I'm-not-afraid-of-anything relentless attitude, like, 'I'm coming at you and if you're not ready, then I'm coming through you.' That's what makes him who he is. I always told him, 'Don't ever apologize for that, because that's your mojo, that's what makes you who you are."

And yes, Rondo plays pranks. So you know. :)
 
CVKingsfan said:
As a Celtic's fan, I assume you have not experienced quite the challenges we have experienced over the last several years as Kings fans. It has been this way for several years now. However, I believe only the strongest are given the challenges we have faced, and it will only make us better. The possibilities of this year have me holding my head up high. GO KINGS!!!

PS Extremely happy to have you onboard!
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As a Celtics' fan I have experienced how NBA marketing strategies have systematically influenced and addressed officiating as well. Basketball as we knew it as turned into cinema. You have surely noticed how some players are given some wild card to behave on the court as they feel like, while refs call fouls if their defender only dares to look at them twice.
Could I ever root for teams or players like them? That's why I am a true Celtic and that's why (together with Rajon's presence in the roster) the Kings have stolen my sympathy this year. :)
 
celtics33 said:
There's a number of my fellow Celtics fans that expressed significant dislike as soon as RR was shipped to Dallas, turning into some senseless denial state of mind towards all the guy has been doing in green uniform. Pro-Rondo fans have been clashing with last-hours haters just outside the TD Garden, when not right on the standings.
Personally, I have treasured every single game I have seen Rajon wearing the Celtics jersey and I have never noticed anything but total devotion to the team he has been playing for.
Out of pure curiosity and, yes, the wish to keep watching the guy creating basketball on the hardwood, I watched every Dallas game since RR was acquired, until their last game.
Their coach is a former Celtic and I always thought of him as a pretty straight guy, but I really don't think what happened in Dallas was Rondo's fault.
They knew who he was, how did he play, his trademarks.
My feeling is that Rajon was acquired by Dallas management and ownership but Carlisle didn't really ask for him, nor was he happy to have RR in his roster because he had no clue about how to implement his skills into his "ball-to-Dirk-no-matter-what-system".
The rest is history. Apart from the ridiculous amount of experts, bloggers, reporters, insiders... each one with one brand new truth and RR the main star of their horror motion picture. Everyone feeling entitled to have an opinion and spreading it on their anonymous blogs as pure Gospel, though they basically had never even got close to Rondo, nor they ever had developed any reliable insight.
Ask his former teammates in Boston, read what Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce think and say about Rajon and you can do the math.

"That's that fire, man," Garnett says, every syllable punctuated with his signature fury. "That's that alpha fire that's in you. That's that knuckle-down, I'm-not-afraid-of-anything relentless attitude, like, 'I'm coming at you and if you're not ready, then I'm coming through you.' That's what makes him who he is. I always told him, 'Don't ever apologize for that, because that's your mojo, that's what makes you who you are."

And yes, Rondo plays pranks. So you know. :)
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Calling the Dallas offensive scheme "ball-to-Dirk-no-matter-what-system" is absolutely wrong, especially since by your own claim you watched them a lot last year.
In fact Dirk Usage is only 63th in the league (tied with Waiters and Shved) and much lower than Ellis's usage, Ellis is also way higher in terms of FGA where Dirk is ranked 34th in the league while Ellis is 10th.
You can like or dislike Carlisle but the Mavs ran a pretty amazing (and very efficient) offense before Rondo came last year.

And from the same source you took the KG quote, here's another one:
"He doesn't like to be told what to do. He wants to be coached, but when you coach him, you'd better know what you're talking about. And even then, he still may challenge you. The question always was, 'Is he a good enough player to behave the way he does?' "
-- Celtics GM Danny Ainge

And while KG and Pierce seems to like him.. he didn't really get along with Ray Allen (some even suggested at the time that Rondo was a part of the reason Allen decided to go to Miami instead of staying in Boston.. and as far as Doc goes (from the article):
"Rivers has an "intense" dislike for Rondo", "Doc Rivers does not like Rajon Rondo, OK? This is the No. 1 thing that's driving Doc outta there. He's sick of coaching Rajon Rondo. Rajon is a bad locker room guy... That's why Doc wants out of Boston."

So it's hard to say that Rondo was a consensus while in Celtics uniform.
 
Amit149 said:
Calling the Dallas offensive scheme "ball-to-Dirk-no-matter-what-system" is absolutely wrong, especially since by your own claim you watched them a lot last year.
In fact Dirk Usage is only 63th in the league (tied with Waiters and Shved) and much lower than Ellis's usage, Ellis is also way higher in terms of FGA where Dirk is ranked 34th in the league while Ellis is 10th.
You can like or dislike Carlisle but the Mavs ran a pretty amazing (and very efficient) offense before Rondo came last year.

And from the same source you took the KG quote, here's another one:
"He doesn't like to be told what to do. He wants to be coached, but when you coach him, you'd better know what you're talking about. And even then, he still may challenge you. The question always was, 'Is he a good enough player to behave the way he does?' "
-- Celtics GM Danny Ainge

And while KG and Pierce seems to like him.. he didn't really get along with Ray Allen (some even suggested at the time that Rondo was a part of the reason Allen decided to go to Miami instead of staying in Boston.. and as far as Doc goes (from the article):
"Rivers has an "intense" dislike for Rondo", "Doc Rivers does not like Rajon Rondo, OK? This is the No. 1 thing that's driving Doc outta there. He's sick of coaching Rajon Rondo. Rajon is a bad locker room guy... That's why Doc wants out of Boston."

So it's hard to say that Rondo was a consensus while in Celtics uniform.
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See the thing is at this point many of us don't believe a freaking thing the media pundits write. We have learned this through extensive experience watching them report fud over and over and over and over and over and over........Well you get it. This is why when you quote some random blog it does not convince us.

We know these guys are not perfect. They are flawed like we all are just finding their way in the world.

All we expect from the Kings is that they win enough games to get in the Playoffs. Then next season sign a couple more players and go deeper into the Playoffs. Then after that challenge for the Larry O'Brien trophy.

They have to win. If they win it will mostly shut up the naysayers. But even winning cannot shut them all up. Look at GSW and the reports that they got "lucky".
 
King Baller said:
See the thing is at this point many of us don't believe a freaking thing the media pundits write. We have learned this through extensive experience watching them report fud over and over and over and over and over and over........Well you get it. This is why when you quote some random blog it does not convince us.

We know these guys are not perfect. They are flawed like we all are just finding their way in the world.

All we expect from the Kings is that they win enough games to get in the Playoffs. Then next season sign a couple more players and go deeper into the Playoffs. Then after that challenge for the Larry O'Brien trophy.

They have to win. If they win it will mostly shut up the naysayers. But even winning cannot shut them all up. Look at GSW and the reports that they got "lucky".
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The Ainge quote was direct, and things like the Ray Allen rumors were things that he admitted happen (and his fighting with Doc is well documented).

I'm not saying that Rondo is all bad, but how some here like to portray him as god's gift to mankind while diminishing completely guys like Ben is something that seems weird to me.

I completely agree about the last part of your post. And I believe it's very possible for this team to make the playoffs, the 8th seed is wide open, and if everyone gives a solid season I think we'll make it.
 
Amit149 said:
Calling the Dallas offensive scheme "ball-to-Dirk-no-matter-what-system" is absolutely wrong, especially since by your own claim you watched them a lot last year.
In fact Dirk Usage is only 63th in the league (tied with Waiters and Shved) and much lower than Ellis's usage, Ellis is also way higher in terms of FGA where Dirk is ranked 34th in the league while Ellis is 10th.
You can like or dislike Carlisle but the Mavs ran a pretty amazing (and very efficient) offense before Rondo came last year.

And from the same source you took the KG quote, here's another one:
"He doesn't like to be told what to do. He wants to be coached, but when you coach him, you'd better know what you're talking about. And even then, he still may challenge you. The question always was, 'Is he a good enough player to behave the way he does?' "
-- Celtics GM Danny Ainge

And while KG and Pierce seems to like him.. he didn't really get along with Ray Allen (some even suggested at the time that Rondo was a part of the reason Allen decided to go to Miami instead of staying in Boston.. and as far as Doc goes (from the article):
"Rivers has an "intense" dislike for Rondo", "Doc Rivers does not like Rajon Rondo, OK? This is the No. 1 thing that's driving Doc outta there. He's sick of coaching Rajon Rondo. Rajon is a bad locker room guy... That's why Doc wants out of Boston."

So it's hard to say that Rondo was a consensus while in Celtics uniform.
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Without any intentions to enter a dispute with you or anyone else about this topic, I agree about Monta Ellis being a ball-hog, as matter of fact I am not fond of that guy for a second. My reference to Dirk was not based on numbers, rather on the fact that IN ANY GAME that I watched, since Dallas acquired Rondo, I have seen Dirk taking ridiculous shots, being a non-existing factor in defense and no eyebrows were raised just once.
Rondo has been thrown in the blender and used as "the source of all evil" in Dallas.

Since you read the document I used in order to quote KG, well.. You should just watch KG interview when he's asked about Ray Allen, after the latter left Boston, as well as the post-game interview after Ray Allen's first game at the TD Garden in Heat's uniform.
They are both on Youtube and very easy to find.

For your information, among Celtics fans, Ray Allen is mostly referred to as "Judas".

Last but not the least, from the same document you too have quoted from, talking about Doc Rivers leaving Boston because of Rondo, you can read as well:

AMONG NBA OBSERVERS, and especially in Boston, the notion is so well-worn that if it were carved in stone, it would be shiny from overuse: Doc Rivers left the Celtics in 2013 just to escape Rajon Rondo. "That's ridiculous," Rivers says. "Our biggest disagreements were usually over 'Stop outsmarting yourself,' because he's so far ahead of the next action. You'll run a play and it'll work, and then he's already thinking about what to do if they counter".

That said, I agree on one fact.. the guy is a strong personality and very dedicated to what it does. And I don't think for a second Rajon Rondo is the player seen in Dallas.
 
King Baller said:
See the thing is at this point many of us don't believe a freaking thing the media pundits write. We have learned this through extensive experience watching them report fud over and over and over and over and over and over........Well you get it. This is why when you quote some random blog it does not convince us.

We know these guys are not perfect. They are flawed like we all are just finding their way in the world.

All we expect from the Kings is that they win enough games to get in the Playoffs. Then next season sign a couple more players and go deeper into the Playoffs. Then after that challenge for the Larry O'Brien trophy.

They have to win. If they win it will mostly shut up the naysayers. But even winning cannot shut them all up. Look at GSW and the reports that they got "lucky".
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Word.
 
celtics33 said:
As a Celtics' fan I have experienced how NBA marketing strategies have systematically influenced and addressed officiating as well. Basketball as we knew it as turned into cinema. You have surely noticed how some players are given some wild card to behave on the court as they feel like, while refs call fouls if their defender only dares to look at them twice.
Could I ever root for teams or players like them? That's why I am a true Celtic and that's why (together with Rajon's presence in the roster) the Kings have stolen my sympathy this year. :)
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We are ‘babes in the woods” compared to the years of scrutiny and volatile media attacks Boston has endured over the years! I apologize for the insensitivity of my earlier post – I am afraid I was still fuming over that Dwyer article and not thinking very clearly. I hope to do better! Once again, glad to have you here!
 
CVKingsfan said:
We are ‘babes in the woods” compared to the years of scrutiny and volatile media attacks Boston has endured over the years! I apologize for the insensitivity of my earlier post – I am afraid I was still fuming over that Dwyer article and not thinking very clearly. I hope to do better! Once again, glad to have you here!
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I have experienced no offensive attitude in your post. No need for apologies at all :)

For what is worth, I think all the people I have read, since I decided to join this forum, barely some weeks ago, seem to be very committed to the Kings' cause rather than being harsh at each other when opinions don't match. That's my impression, based on my so far limited experience here.
 
Amit149 said:
The Ainge quote was direct, and things like the Ray Allen rumors were things that he admitted happen (and his fighting with Doc is well documented).

I'm not saying that Rondo is all bad, but how some here like to portray him as god's gift to mankind while diminishing completely guys like Ben is something that seems weird to me.

I completely agree about the last part of your post. And I believe it's very possible for this team to make the playoffs, the 8th seed is wide open, and if everyone gives a solid season I think we'll make it.
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Well the important thing is that we are Kings Fans and want to see the Kings win. That said........

There is some truth to those reports you quoted. That is what makes headlines. Take a little truth add a dash of sensationalism and then editorialize the crap out of it with ones own opinion to reach the conclusion you desire.

I'm not sure who said this as portions have been attributed to Edgar Allen Poe, Benjamin Franklin and the Bible. But it is a good guide IMO:

"Dont believe everything you hear, don't believe everything you read, and only believe half of what you see."
 
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Amit149 said:
And while KG and Pierce seems to like him.. he didn't really get along with Ray Allen (some even suggested at the time that Rondo was a part of the reason Allen decided to go to Miami instead of staying in Boston.. and as far as Doc goes (from the article):
"Rivers has an "intense" dislike for Rondo", "Doc Rivers does not like Rajon Rondo, OK? This is the No. 1 thing that's driving Doc outta there. He's sick of coaching Rajon Rondo. Rajon is a bad locker room guy... That's why Doc wants out of Boston."

So it's hard to say that Rondo was a consensus while in Celtics uniform.
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The truth is usually somewhere in the middle:

Perhaps the most interesting information gleaned from the sit-down, though, regarded Pierce’s relationship with former Celtics teammate and Big Three cornerstone Ray Allen — one that apparently was not as rosy as Boston fans were led to believe.

From MacMullan: “It was a weird relationship,” Pierce said. “We were all good friends on the court, but Ray always did his own thing. That’s just the way Ray was. Even when we were playing together, we’d be having a team dinner and Ray wouldn’t show up. We’d go to his charity events, but Ray wouldn’t show up to somebody else’s. “I called him on it. I said, ‘Man, Ray, we support all your stuff, but when we ask you, you don’t come to ours.’

I remember when (point guard Rajon) Rondo re-signed with Boston, we had a little dinner at a restaurant and Ray didn’t show up. “I know Ray probably didn’t like Rondo that much, but it wasn’t a fact of not liking somebody. You don’t have to like everybody you play with — it’s a matter of showing support. “Rondo probably didn’t like Ray either, but he came to Ray’s functions to show, ‘Hey, we’re together in this.’

Then you've got KG straight up ignoring Allen every time they played after Ray bolted. But just like Shaq/Kobe, "liking" one another is overrated. Just need a professional level of respect towards a common goal.
 
rainmaker said:
The truth is usually somewhere in the middle:
Perhaps the most interesting information gleaned from the sit-down, though, regarded Pierce’s relationship with former Celtics teammate and Big Three cornerstone Ray Allen — one that apparently was not as rosy as Boston fans were led to believe.

From MacMullan: “It was a weird relationship,” Pierce said. “We were all good friends on the court, but Ray always did his own thing. That’s just the way Ray was. Even when we were playing together, we’d be having a team dinner and Ray wouldn’t show up. We’d go to his charity events, but Ray wouldn’t show up to somebody else’s. “I called him on it. I said, ‘Man, Ray, we support all your stuff, but when we ask you, you don’t come to ours.’

I remember when (point guard Rajon) Rondo re-signed with Boston, we had a little dinner at a restaurant and Ray didn’t show up. “I know Ray probably didn’t like Rondo that much, but it wasn’t a fact of not liking somebody. You don’t have to like everybody you play with — it’s a matter of showing support. “Rondo probably didn’t like Ray either, but he came to Ray’s functions to show, ‘Hey, we’re together in this.’

Then you've got KG straight up ignoring Allen every time they played after Ray bolted. But just like Shaq/Kobe, "liking" one another is overrated. Just need a professional level of respect towards a common goal.
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Perfect reading, Rainmaker!
 
Amit149 said:
The Ainge quote was direct, and things like the Ray Allen rumors were things that he admitted happen (and his fighting with Doc is well documented).

I'm not saying that Rondo is all bad, but how some here like to portray him as god's gift to mankind while diminishing completely guys like Ben is something that seems weird to me.
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Rondo is way above Ben in Bbiq. U would take Ben over rondo?
 
Amit149 said:
The Ainge quote was direct, and things like the Ray Allen rumors were things that he admitted happen (and his fighting with Doc is well documented).

I'm not saying that Rondo is all bad, but how some here like to portray him as god's gift to mankind while diminishing completely guys like Ben is something that seems weird to me.

I completely agree about the last part of your post. And I believe it's very possible for this team to make the playoffs, the 8th seed is wide open, and if everyone gives a solid season I think we'll make it.
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There is a rather vast gulf in achievement between Rajon and Ben. The only reason such a comparison can be made is because some assume that Rajon is done. I don't. Rondo is a 4x all-star, 4 time all-defensive team member, and former champion. Just flipping back through the entire list of Kings PGs in the 30 year history of the Sacramento Kings, that makes him basically the most decorated PG we have ever had show up in town. In fact actually in 30 years of Kings basketball, as far as I can recall not a single Kings PG has ever made an All-Star game, or been a former All Star.

Theus/Drew/Smith/Sparrow/Les/Webb/Edney/Johnson/Williams/Bibby/Evans/Udrih/Vasquez/Thomas/Collison + then Rondo
 
celtics33 said:
As a Celtics' fan I have experienced how NBA marketing strategies have systematically influenced and addressed officiating as well. Basketball as we knew it as turned into cinema. You have surely noticed how some players are given some wild card to behave on the court as they feel like, while refs call fouls if their defender only dares to look at them twice.
Could I ever root for teams or players like them? That's why I am a true Celtic and that's why (together with Rajon's presence in the roster) the Kings have stolen my sympathy this year. :)
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If you are looking for a team the refs and the media love to get after to be your second team, you've found us!
 
Bricklayer said:
There is a rather vast gulf in achievement between Rajon and Ben. The only reason such a comparison can be made is because some assume that Rajon is done. I don't. Rondo is a 4x all-star, 4 time all-defensive team member, and former champion. Just flipping back through the entire list of Kings PGs in the 30 year history of the Sacramento Kings, that makes him basically the most decorated PG we have ever had show up in town. In fact actually in 30 years of Kings basketball, as far as I can recall not a single Kings PG has ever made an All-Star game, or been a former All Star.

Theus/Drew/Smith/Sparrow/Les/Webb/Edney/Johnson/Williams/Bibby/Evans/Udrih/Vasquez/Thomas/Collison + then Rondo
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Don't sell Reggie short! 2x All star with the Bulls before coming to Sacramento
 
LPKingsFan said:
Don't sell Reggie short! 2x All star with the Bulls before coming to Sacramento
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I was trying to remember that. For some reason I had Reggie in the 'best players to not be an All Star' category. Suppose more likely he's just 'best plaeyers to have no shot at the HOF or jersey retirement" category.
 
I have seen enough of Rondo to know he will have a big impact on this team. His elite quickness that he had pre ACL is gone, thus you aren't going to see those 30-40 point monster games from him, but I would say his quickness is still 80% where it used to be. He can still get to his spots and and especially in half court will still drive by a guy if you give him the lane. I would say in transition is where he no longer bullets past people. Thats still not terrible because we have atheltic wings in McLemore, Gay, Casspi and Rondo kind of surveys the break while the wings fill lanes. His leadership and winning mentality are the biggest positives. He is a true floor general, actually one of the few left in the league. Even guys like Curry and Westbrook aren't true floor generals.
 
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