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Ron Artest has eyes on Knicks stint

BY MARK Lelinwalla
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, June 8th 2008, 8:55 PM
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Antonelli/News Ron Artest


The critics are still out on what kind of defensive identity the Knicks will develop under new coach Mike D'Antoni. Perhaps Ron Artest can help.
The Knicks may have a chance to sign Artest to a five-year, $30 million mid-level exception, if he opts out of the last year of his contract with the Sacramento Kings and becomes a free agent on July 1. That contract would pay him $7.4 million. It's even a possibility the Knicks could work a sign-and-trade with Sacramento, if the Kings would agree to it.
When the Daily News asked the Queensbridge product if he would like to play for the team he grew up watching, Artest flashed a huge grin.
"Who wouldn't want to?" Artest said in the tunnel outside the Garden's locker rooms following yesterday's WNBA game between the Liberty and Monarchs. "I'm not going to talk about that stuff till July 1. I don't play for the money, I play for the love."
As the Indiana Pacers president, Donnie Walsh acquired Artest in a 2002 trade with the Chicago Bulls. Walsh also dealt the former St. John's forward to Sacramento in 2006 after his role in sparking the notorious Pacers-Detroit Pistons brawl at The Palace of Auburn Hills.

The question is, who does Ron love the most?
 
bajaden said:
The Knicks may have a chance to sign Artest to a five-year, $30 million mid-level exception, if he opts out of the last year of his contract with the Sacramento Kings and becomes a free agent on July 1.
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Hilarious. Maybe after the Knicks sign Ron to the MLE this offseason, they'll convince Brand to sign for the MLE next season and LeBron to sign for the MLE in 2010.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Hilarious. Maybe after the Knicks sign Ron to the MLE this offseason, they'll convince Brand to sign for the MLE next season and LeBron to sign for the MLE in 2010.
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Sprewell couldn't feed his family with $7M/year, how the heck is Ron gonna feed his kids with $5M. And that was 4 yrs ago. :eek:
 
Have to love the NY tabloids -- they just never give up on these things. It was every single year with Chris Webber, now it looks like every single year for Ron.
 
dime dropper said:
Hopefully there's something to it. I'd be delighted if Ron opted out on July 1st.
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It would really set us back rebuilding if we lose that kind of talent for nothing. Its got to be sign and trade now or next season, assuming we wanna get rid of Artest at all
 
RunNGun said:
It would really set us back rebuilding if we lose that kind of talent for nothing. Its got to be sign and trade now or next season, assuming we wanna get rid of Artest at all
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How can it set out rebuilding back when Artest has done absolutely nothing for our rebuilding effort? Hell, he's hurt our rebuilding effort.
 
Vlade4GM said:
How can it set out rebuilding back when Artest has done absolutely nothing for our rebuilding effort? Hell, he's hurt our rebuilding effort.
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??? A player of his caliber at the price. How has he "hurt" the rebuild effort? As my mom used to say, you are out of your tree. Other NBA players and coaches have a lot more respect for Ron than a lot of Kings fans. 50,000 I hate Ron threads later and I am still at a loss as to why he gets no love. He always plays at a level much higher than you could expect for someone who makes so little (in comparrison to other players). The guy loves the game and bleeds passion. It must be weird for him to get so much respect from his GM and owners, but not so much from the fans.

I knew I should not have even looked at this one, I have been trying to avoid Ron bashing threads because it seems so illogical to me.
 
RunNGun said:
It would really set us back rebuilding if we lose that kind of talent for nothing. Its got to be sign and trade now or next season, assuming we wanna get rid of Artest at all
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That kind of talent isn't worth Linas Kleiza. We're not going to get much. I'd much rather get something -- if D'Antoni really doesn't have much use for David Lee as rumored for instance, that would be cool. But in many ways the rebuild does not really begin until Ron exits the equation. Until that time you are still halfway in halfway out and getting nowhere. Not good enoguh to do anything. Not bad enough to acquire the pieces to do anything, or have the minutes to play those pieces.
 
Kingzrool said:
??? A player of his caliber at the price. How has he "hurt" the rebuild effort? As my mom used to say, you are out of your tree. Other NBA players and coaches have a lot more respect for Ron than a lot of Kings fans. 50,000 I hate Ron threads later and I am still at a loss as to why he gets no love. He always plays at a level much higher than you could expect for someone who makes so little (in comparrison to other players). The guy loves the game and bleeds passion. It must be weird for him to get so much respect from his GM and owners, but not so much from the fans.

I knew I should not have even looked at this one, I have been trying to avoid Ron bashing threads because it seems so illogical to me.
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He made the team just better enough to take us out of higher draft picks. Did you really need that explained to you?
 
Bricklayer said:
That kind of talent isn't worth Linas Kleiza. We're not going to get much. I'd much rather get something -- if D'Antoni really doesn't have much use for David Lee as rumored for instance, that would be cool. But in many ways the rebuild does not really begin until Ron exits the equation. Until that time you are still halfway in halfway out and getting nowhere. Not good enoguh to do anything. Not bad enough to acquire the pieces to do anything, or have the minutes to play those pieces.
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That's bull...I hate the ALL IN OR ALL OUT stances on rebuilding. Ron's 28 years YOUNG. He's still got 4-5 years left of PRIME basketball. That's plenty to help in continuing to build this franchise up going forward. You don't have to go for broke and you don't have to completely sell out. It takes time, adjustments and patience to fully rebuild. Petrie got on board in 94 and the CORE championship team took 8 years(2002) to come to fruition.
If you look at C-Webb's knee as the point that set us back, then we're about 4 years or so into the new rebuild. I guarantee that in 3-4 years we'll be in the top 4 in the Western Confernce again and looking strong going forward.
 
Smills91 said:
That's bull...I hate the ALL IN OR ALL OUT stances on rebuilding. Ron's 28 years YOUNG. He's still got 4-5 years left of PRIME basketball. That's plenty to help in continuing to build this franchise up going forward. You don't have to go for broke and you don't have to completely sell out. It takes time, adjustments and patience to fully rebuild. Petrie got on board in 94 and the CORE championship team took 8 years(2002) to come to fruition.
If you look at C-Webb's knee as the point that set us back, then we're about 4 years or so into the new rebuild. I guarantee that in 3-4 years we'll be in the top 4 in the Western Confernce again and looking strong going forward.
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Funny, the Utah Jazz did it in two years. Weird how that worked out.
 
I hope he doesnt just walk. It would be nice to get SOMETHING for Ron. Even if its just a future pick tacked onto an expiring. I can see a lot of elite teams wondering if he's a piece that would put them over the top. (Can you imagine Ron on the Spurs for instance? Yikes..Just as much defence as Bowen, but way more offense).

Ron on the Knicks...Jeeze, if they keep Curry and Z-Bo their frontline would outweigh our starting 5.
 
Smills91 said:
That's bull...I hate the ALL IN OR ALL OUT stances on rebuilding. Ron's 28 years YOUNG. He's still got 4-5 years left of PRIME basketball. That's plenty to help in continuing to build this franchise up going forward. You don't have to go for broke and you don't have to completely sell out. It takes time, adjustments and patience to fully rebuild. Petrie got on board in 94 and the CORE championship team took 8 years(2002) to come to fruition.
If you look at C-Webb's knee as the point that set us back, then we're about 4 years or so into the new rebuild. I guarantee that in 3-4 years we'll be in the top 4 in the Western Confernce again and looking strong going forward.
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You guarantee a lot of things. As I recall you were guaranteeing a playoff spot as late as February.

A rebuild, by definition, involves change. You tear it down, and then build it back up. You don't spitshine the same turd you've been rubbing raw for years now.

And Ron, as I am sure you know, will be 29 two weeks into next season. By the time of your 4 year guarantee of 55 windom (because obviously that's just a snap and something we have done so often as a franchise) he will be 33. No sooner do you achieve your "guarantee" then the era dies as a major cog goes into decline. Meanwhile of course, aside from nuttiness and instability that could always bite you, you have to pay the man, a lot, for a long time, in order for him to be part of your "guarantee". The same man who has won 55 games once in his entire career, been on one good team that made it ourt of the first round, and promptly destroyed it.

Ron is not a rebuilding piece. He is at the point in his career where he has to win now. Now is his prime. A perfect rebuilding piece is one that a) does not win you many games now; thus aiding you in acquiring more pieces; but b) has great room for growth in the future; and c) does not cost you much. Ron is a piece that a) wins you some games now, enough at least to avoid the very things you need; b) is unlikely to get better as he closes in on 30, and in fact likely to slow down within the next few years; and c) is a free agent who will chew through a huge chunk of our cap. Other than that, he's a great rebuilding piece.

You know who are great rebuilding pieces? LeBron, the #1 pick in the draft. Dwight Howard, the #1 pick in the draft. Chris Paul, the #4 pick in the draft. Deron Williams, the #3 pick in the draft. Brandon Roy, the #6 pick, LaMarcus Aldridge, the #2 pick, Greg Oden, the #1 pick....THAT is rebuilding. Many people hate what they do not understand. Perhaps that explains your distaste for the time honored core principles of the "rebuild".
 
HighFlyingMonkey said:
Funny, the Utah Jazz did it in two years. Weird how that worked out.
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And how many times does a franchise do that? Honestly, and they just got to top 4 THIS year and were never in the top 4 those last few years with Stockton/Malone either. So In actuality is was more like 6-7 years from the time they were at the top(like the Kings were in '02) to the time they got back to a top 4 position in the West.
 
Smills91 said:
And how many times does a franchise do that? Honestly, and they just got to top 4 THIS year and were never in the top 4 those last few years with Stockton/Malone either. So In actuality is was more like 6-7 years from the time they were at the top(like the Kings were in '02) to the time they got back to a top 4 position in the West.
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You may have a different view on rebuilding then. The Celtics were last truly great in the late 1980s; does that mean that since they finally just got back this year, that it was a 20 year rebuild?

My view on rebuilding is replacing an old, declining core with a younger core with upside. Utah replaced Stockton/Malone with Deron/Boozer, therefore they rebuilt.
 
Vlade4GM said:
lol, probably true.
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We should probably get rid of Cisco and Beno too. Maybe we could acquire a draft pick in 2012? Maybe we'll be able to draft HS players again then. Then by the time the 11 year rebuild is complete, they'll only have play 6 years in the NBA!:D
 
HighFlyingMonkey said:
You may have a different view on rebuilding then. The Celtics were last truly great in the late 1980s; does that mean that since they finally just got back this year, that it was a 20 year rebuild?

My view on rebuilding is replacing an old, declining core with a younger core with upside. Utah replaced Stockton/Malone with Deron/Boozer, therefore they rebuilt.
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yet the Celtics tried the young thing for years and finally made it to the finals by going with old players on the downhill side of their carreers. Its funny how teams have a hard time bouncing back after a franchise player retires of leaves for various reasons. Look at Chicago post Jordan or the Celts post Bird and company. The lakers post Magic. Imagine the Lakers post Kobe. The biggest slide we are going to see is the Spurs post Duncan. That is going to be same level as Bird.
 
Entity said:
yet the Celtics tried the young thing for years and finally made it to the finals by going with old players on the downhill side of their carreers. Its funny how teams have a hard time bouncing back after a franchise player retires of leaves for various reasons. Look at Chicago post Jordan or the Celts post Bird and company. The lakers post Magic. Imagine the Lakers post Kobe. The biggest slide we are going to see is the Spurs post Duncan. That is going to be same level as Bird.
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The celts wouldn't have had such a big drop off had Bias not OD'd.

The celtics also had the young talent and expirings to get those guys, we can't compare in that regard at all.
 
HighFlyingMonkey said:
You may have a different view on rebuilding then. The Celtics were last truly great in the late 1980s; does that mean that since they finally just got back this year, that it was a 20 year rebuild?

My view on rebuilding is replacing an old, declining core with a younger core with upside. Utah replaced Stockton/Malone with Deron/Boozer, therefore they rebuilt.
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They did rebuild, but they had some luck too, which I think speeded up the process. My memory may be off a little on this one, but I believe they traded for Boozer in 2004, and they already had Kirilenko. I think Boozer was around 23 yr's old at the time. He had showed some promise at Cleveland, but apparently not enough and they had given up on him. If memory serves, both Boozer and Kirilenko were injured for large portions of the year, and Utah didn't do very well. Thus they were rewarded with a high draft pick that turned out to be Deron Williams. The Spurs got lucky and got Duncan the same way. It does pay to be lucky, and it does shorten the rebuild.
 
bajaden said:
They did rebuild, but they had some luck too, which I think speeded up the process. My memory may be off a little on this one, but I believe they traded for Boozer in 2004, and they already had Kirilenko. I think Boozer was around 23 yr's old at the time. He had showed some promise at Cleveland, but apparently not enough and they had given up on him. If memory serves, both Boozer and Kirilenko were injured for large portions of the year, and Utah didn't do very well. Thus they were rewarded with a high draft pick that turned out to be Deron Williams. The Spurs got lucky and got Duncan the same way. It does pay to be lucky, and it does shorten the rebuild.
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Cavs did NOT give up on Boozer. They wanted to keep him big time. In fact what CLE did was take Boozer's word that he would re-sign with the Cavs if they let him become a FA so thats what Cavs did. They didn't pick up his option so Boozer would become a FA and they could re-sign him to a long term, more lucurative deal.

Utah came in with the offer that CLE just couldn't match and Boozer went back on his word to sign with the Jazz. Its why he copped to much at the time and still does in some circles.

The Cavs wanted to do the right thing by Boozer and pay him to his standard but he bolted for bigger money.
 
Čarolija said:
Cavs did NOT give up on Boozer. They wanted to keep him big time. In fact what CLE did was take Boozer's word that he would re-sign with the Cavs if they let him become a FA so thats what Cavs did. They didn't pick up his option so Boozer would become a FA and they could re-sign him to a long term, more lucurative deal.

Utah came in with the offer that CLE just couldn't match and Boozer went back on his word to sign with the Jazz. Its why he copped to much at the time and still does in some circles.

The Cavs wanted to do the right thing by Boozer and pay him to his standard but he bolted for bigger money.
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I stand corrected. Hey, I did say that I was relying on my memory, and if you knew me, you would realize what a dangerous thing that was. I do remember now that you jarred it. However, I was commenting on how lucky Utah was. I guess when you throw Boozer into the equation and how Utah aquired him, they really were lucky.
 
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