Ron Artest Calls a Timeout

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Apparently this is the topic of the morning here in Sacramento on Sports 1140's The Rise Guys Show.

What is being said is that Artest called a time out on his own during the Phoenix game on Tuesday night. I came in on the conversation in the middle, but the "Wise Guys" are slightly suggesting that this is a problem when a player (particularly Artest who they feel is taking on way too much responsibillity) calls a time out on his own without the authority of the Coach.

I watched the Phoenix game and I do remember him calling a time out but I never thought that it was that big of a deal. They are talkning about it like it has been written about somewhere and i can not find it on the Sacramento Bee Online Edition. Like this is some grand controversy that is being talked about all over the country.

Can somebody clue me in?
 
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Purple Reign said:
Apparently this is the topic of the morning here in Sacramento on Sports 1140's The Rise Guys Show.

What is being said is that Artest called a time out on his own during the Phoenix game on Tuesday night. I came in on the conversation in the middle, but the "Wise Guys" are slightly suggesting that this is a problem when a player (particularly Artest who they feel is taking on way too much responsibillity) calls a time out on his own without the authority of the Coach.

I watched the Phoenix game and I do remember him calling a time out but I never thought that it was that big of a deal. They are talkning about it like it has been written about somewhere and i can not find it on the Sacramento Bee Online Edition. Like this is some grand controversy that is being talked about all over the country.

Can somebody clue me in?

It was in Marty McNeal's column yesterday and I'm sure that the reason no one posted it here was because it actually called out Rick Adelman and we no that is not allowed on Kingsfans :D

The article is spot on and basically says what I have been saying for awhile about Adelman.
 
Here is Marty Mac's article...

Marty Mac's World: When Suns' Bell rang, they had right response

By Martin McNeal -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, April 13, 2006
Story appeared in Sports section, Page C2


For the sake of setting the scene, let's acknowledge the reality that the Phoenix Suns punked the Kings on Tuesday night in the second half of their 123-110 road victory at Arco Arena.

In part, inspired by Phoenix guard Raja Bell basically telling his teammates at halftime that he wasn't "a little cat," wasn't going to be treated like one and would fight anybody and everybody in the Sacramento locker room, the Suns erased a 17-point halftime lead entering the fourth quarter by becoming the aggressors.

The Kings not only backed away from the challenge, they also started playing stupid, nonwinning basketball. And that starts with coach Rick Adelman and goes right on down the list. Instead of the Kings continuing to punish the Suns as they had to get the lead, they got soft and settled for jumpers. Yet the game was tied to start the fourth. Granted, the Suns had whatever momentum existed, but the Kings were playing at home, for whatever that was worth.

Phoenix went on to shoot 16 of 20 from the field (3 of 5 from three-point range) and 4 of 4 from the line. That's 80 percent - 80 percent. Nine of those made field goals came on jumpers, mostly unchallenged by the Kings' defense.

Offensively, though, is where the Kings went badly astray. Mike Bibby entered the fourth having made 8 of 14 field-goal attempts (3 of 6 behind the arc) and having scored 20 points. In the fourth, he attempted one field goal (a miss) and scored zero points. Shareef Abdur-Rahim stepped in for an invisible Kenny Thomas (15 minutes, no shot attempts, three rebounds, one steal) and had made 5 of 6 field-goal attempts and scored 14 points.

Abdur-Rahim made his lone field-goal attempt in five minutes. So, you have the players incapable or unwilling to go to the players who were doing work and, ultimately, you have Adelman allowing it to happen.

Meanwhile, Ron Artest has the ball in his hands far too much and gets up eight field-goal attempts (three makes) as well as one made free throw in four attempts.

And here lies a bigger problem: The Kings are catering to Artest far too much, and the only thing that's going to happen is eventually he's going to go off.

Unquestionably, Adelman has shown he is not going to challenge Artest, just as he never publicly challenged Chris Webber.

Clearly, both Webber and Artest are capable of being "special," but we all know Ron-Ron's special can be special.

Case in point: With less than four minutes left, Bonzi Wells missed a drive, rebounded the miss and then made a layup to get Sacramento within 107-100. Seven seconds later, Shawn Marion scored on an alley-oop dunk.

The only two players back on defense were Artest, who went to a three-point shooter, and Wells. It was too ridiculous.

Artest felt so and decided a timeout was in order. So he called one. Special, baby.

Adelman said, "No!!!" then immediately motioned for it to be a 20-second timeout. The players were as shocked as Adelman. After the game, Artest said he was just trying to find out what the team was supposed to be doing. Well, that, and he was ready to explode, and with good reason. And it sure looked as if Artest cussed out a couple teammates.

Now, I don't have a problem with a player calling a timeout in extreme circumstances. I'm from Queens and so is Ron, so maybe it's a Queens thing. Most players wouldn't dream of calling a timeout without a coach's direction.

However, at some point, Adelman and/or somebody on his coaching staff is going to have to get with Artest and chill him out. They have to coach him and make him realize that sometimes being the man does not mean taking over the offense with shots, but also with passes.

And it means the coach has to call plays that don't involve him, or use him as a decoy and get the ball to those who are going well.

Somebody has to man up, sooner or later.

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coolhandluke said:
Meanwhile, Ron Artest has the ball in his hands far too much and gets up eight field-goal attempts (three makes) as well as one made free throw in four attempts.

And here lies a bigger problem: The Kings are catering to Artest far too much, and the only thing that's going to happen is eventually he's going to go off.

Unquestionably, Adelman has shown he is not going to challenge Artest, just as he never publicly challenged Chris Webber.

Clearly, both Webber and Artest are capable of being "special," but we all know Ron-Ron's special can be special.

Case in point: With less than four minutes left, Bonzi Wells missed a drive, rebounded the miss and then made a layup to get Sacramento within 107-100. Seven seconds later, Shawn Marion scored on an alley-oop dunk.

The only two players back on defense were Artest, who went to a three-point shooter, and Wells. It was too ridiculous.

Artest felt so and decided a timeout was in order. So he called one. Special, baby.

Adelman said, "No!!!" then immediately motioned for it to be a 20-second timeout. The players were as shocked as Adelman. After the game, Artest said he was just trying to find out what the team was supposed to be doing. Well, that, and he was ready to explode, and with good reason. And it sure looked as if Artest cussed out a couple teammates.

Now, I don't have a problem with a player calling a timeout in extreme circumstances. I'm from Queens and so is Ron, so maybe it's a Queens thing. Most players wouldn't dream of calling a timeout without a coach's direction.

However, at some point, Adelman and/or somebody on his coaching staff is going to have to get with Artest and chill him out. They have to coach him and make him realize that sometimes being the man does not mean taking over the offense with shots, but also with passes.

And it means the coach has to call plays that don't involve him, or use him as a decoy and get the ball to those who are going well.

Somebody has to man up, sooner or later.

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Interesting. This to me just adds to the "Will Adelman be back" conversation.

To me, if the Kings would have won that game, this is a non-issue. Unfortunately in Kings world, when the team loses, we have to find something to hype and make a big deal.

If Adelman is not complaining, neither should the media. They make me sick :mad: !!!
 
This is making Mount Everest out of a molehill. I mean, I know radio people have to find stuff to talk about, but this is ridiculous. Players call time outs on their when they are falling out of bounds to save possessions. Who gives a crap if Ron Artest calls a time out because he's confused?
 
Ryle said:
It was in Marty McNeal's column yesterday and I'm sure that the reason no one posted it here was because it actually called out Rick Adelman and we no that is not allowed on Kingsfans :D

The article is spot on and basically says what I have been saying for awhile about Adelman.

Yes, because quite obviously this happens all the time to Rick and NO other coach has EVER had problems controlling Ron Artest before. :rolleyes:

Let's see -- Ron Artest w/ Rick Adelman -- calls a timeout on his own authority. Ron Artest w/ Rick Carlisle -- smashes cameras, starts massive brawls with fans, asks for time off to work on rap career, abruptly announces he no longer wants to play for team... Clearly Rick Carlisle is an lax uberwimp for not having any control of the situation.
 
I personally do not have a problem with Ron calling a TimeOut, Anyone who knows me, knows I think Adleman believes he has a magic way of saving timeouts in some timeout machine somewhere.
With the way the momentum was switching the entire 2nd half I really thought Adleman would have been more into the Game calling timeouts using his bench anything!
Honestly Phoenix play lights out and my hat is off to them, and I think the way they came out in the 2nd half they deserved the win, I just hope this becomes a learning situation for the Kings like the destruction at the hands of the Mavs was.
 
who cares? it aint that big of a deal.....if mike bibby or brad miller would have called a timeout, 10 dollars says a similar article is never written....
 
Fillmoe said:
who cares? it aint that big of a deal.....if mike bibby or brad miller would have called a timeout, 10 dollars says a similar article is never written....

Word.

If they do it, it gets a footnote something along the lines of "Bless their hearts they are trying so hard to win, and stepping into a leadership role to do so."

This is ridiculous.
 
all of this is mum. The reason we are even in the playoffs is Artest. Plain and simple. Season end, and Bibby/Thomas should be traded for a player with heart and desire. Bibby plays too much guard and Thomas is a whiner.
 
PFFFT!! said:
all of this is mum. The reason we are even in the playoffs is Artest. Plain and simple. Season end, and Bibby/Thomas should be traded for a player with heart and desire. Bibby plays too much guard and Thomas is a whiner.

Right dude. Bibby hasnt done anything all year. That bum. He has no heart. Lets trade them both and have Hart take over as PG. Sounds like a plan. :rolleyes:
 
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PFFFT!! said:
all of this is mum. The reason we are even in the playoffs is Artest. Plain and simple. Season end, and Bibby/Thomas should be traded for a player with heart and desire. Bibby plays too much guard and Thomas is a whiner.

Uh...I'm all for patting Artest on the back for inspiring our team, but not at the expense of knocking Bibby, who has played his a$$ off the entire time he's been in a Kings uni. Besides, you take Bibby away, and Artest is that much more likely to become unhappy.

We need more team fans on here, and less individual fans.
 
Bibby is gonna stay, KT I can definitely see gone. Not because of his play as of late (which I think is because of that shoulder problem he got a couple weeks back or so) though, just the general situation with him.
 
Maybe this little 'timeout drama" might help the Kings. Obviously, we don't want Ron calling timeouts on a routine basis. We also don't want Ron taking too many shots or holding the ball excessively. I am pretty sure that Adelman and the coaches will instruct, yes I said instruct, Ron on how he needs to play the game. He is not yet "out of control". His play has made a big difference with the Kings. Adelman does not dress-out any player in public. That is just his style.

Making "Mount Everest out of a molehill" is about right. I suspect this scenario will never end as long as Ron Artest plays the game.
 
Bibby_10 said:
Your right dude. Bibby hasnt done anything all year. That bum. He has no heart. Lets trade them both and have Hart take over as PG. Sounds like a plan. :rolleyes:

Sure, we could switch him to SG and it would be ok. Albeit undersized, but it would be ok. :rolleyes: He also hasn't filled everyone's expectations down the stretch and his defense is all to well known. *sigh*
 
PFFFT!! said:
all of this is mum. The reason we are even in the playoffs is Artest. Plain and simple. Season end, and Bibby/Thomas should be traded for a player with heart and desire. Bibby plays too much guard and Thomas is a whiner.

I am not really sure, but last I checked isn't Bibby a guard?:cool:
 
PFFFT!! said:
Sure, we could switch him to SG and it would be ok. Albeit undersized, but it would be ok. :rolleyes: He also hasn't filled everyone's expectations down the stretch and his defense is all to well known. *sigh*
:eek: Sorry, but this really boggles my mind, as well as the implication that Bibby has no heart and desire.:eek: Bibby has taken and hit many big shots just this season alone. (Big shots don't all occur in the last 1 or 2 seconds.) Whose expectations are you talking about? Yes, his defense is weak. But heart and desire? I have never doubted that about Bibby. He's out there playing hurt so much, it hurts to watch. He's a ferociously competitive person. When the team loses, you can see that Bibby is mad, really mad.
 
I like Artest demanding from his teammates. We have too many lazy defenders like Bibby and Brad. Bibby has plenty of energy for offense but never seems to be excited about defense. He needs to realize that he will never be on an allstar team or crack the all-NBA 1st or 2nd team if he doesn't add some defense to his game. well, unless he can run the team like Steve Nash does, then he will have a chance to be among the elites.
 
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This is crazy. Just because it's Ron it's an "issue" or "drama". Rick's been known for not calling timeouts when clearly one was needed.
Had Mike or Brad done it then no one would have a problem with it.
Ron's been nothing but good in Sacramento and people want to find a negative however small it may be.
 
This is a non issue. As others have said, if was anyone but Ron.....................
 
Kenny Thomas has NO chemistry with the team.


After wins, he's the first one to be in the the locker room.

I think Kenny will be traded this off season.
 
ForlornKing said:
Kenny Thomas has NO chemistry with the team.


After wins, he's the first one to be in the the locker room.

I think Kenny will be traded this off season.
Where did this come from?
 
Kings113 said:
Bibby is gonna stay, KT I can definitely see gone. Not because of his play as of late (which I think is because of that shoulder problem he got a couple weeks back or so) though, just the general situation with him.


From here.
 
If it was Mike or Brad it'd be no big deal.

If it was Kevin or Kenny it's WTF's he thinkin? But still no big deal.

Basically if it's anyone besides Ron it's not a big deal, but since it's Ron people are going to be like WHAT THE? HE GOING CRAZY OH NO!!!!!!!!!


Anyways I was hoping Adelman would call a time out.
 
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