Rockets fan here, not here to troll, but here to let y'all know what y'all got...

[22straight]

Hey King fans, I decided to redo this first post and would like to apologize for gloating in the previous one, I easily could have made this thread without it. I was just so excited when I woke up and heard the news, I honestly didn't think we'd make any more moves this season. I want to apologize to all the King fans, you guys are some of the classiest fans and did not deserve that one bit. In all honestly, before I made this post, the possibility of losing your team to Seattle did not cross my mind at all and I had forgotten about that situation, I wasn't thinking, there is no way I would have added the passive aggressive tone had I known about the Seattle situation and definitely wouldn't have thrown in all that nonsense about Morey the Wizard. Overall it was insensitive, unnecessary and I was completely in the wrong. I also want you guys to know that despite my gloating, it did not represent the Houston Rocket fans, they're great people, never had issues with any of them at any of the games, no Houston Rocket fan encouraged me to come on your board. It was a d*ck move by me and I'm not proud of it now looking back.

I have nothing against the Kings, I freaking loved that squad back in the day with C-Webb, Christie, Bibby and company. You have a tremendous talent in Cousins, and I honestly think he has Tim Duncan like talent, at least on the offensive end. You're closer to being relevant than you think, you're just a hot mess right now, but a foundation piece is there, in Cousins, and that makes things a little easier. It's like having a bad football team but you just drafted a QB in the first round that has potential to be great...the rest of the pieces eventually fall in place.

Make Tyreke a Sixth Man and he could kill it, get a REAL point guard and it'll do wonders for Cousins.

Gut the team except for Cousins, Tyreke and Patterson and start building around that. Isaiah Thomas could also work a great trading piece since you already have Tyreke.

On to the new additions you got from us:

Patrick Patterson is a nice piece for you. He's a great spot up shooter, can shoot the 3, plays solid D and also a versatile defender that can step out to the perimeter a little. Seems to have a bit of a post game but not sure how good it is since we didn't run many iso plays for him, most of his points came off feeds. However rebounding and setting picks are both weaknesses for him. Cousins can make up for the rebounding and I don't see why they wouldn't be able to play well together. I think PP will eventually start over Jason Thompson. If you get a true PG, it will do wonders for PP and Cousins.

Tony Douglas can play a little, good spot up shooter and plays tough D, but he's also another undersized shooting guard that plays point guard, since you already are loaded with those, I suspect this move was mainly about matching salaries.

Cole Aldrich struggled for us, but maybe he'll be a better use for you, he is a big body with some mobility.


Sacramento is not only a great city, but also a great city for a basketball team, I really do hope the Kings end up staying, your team has a lot of great history and as I said already, some of the classiest fans. Minus the gloating, the original intent was to get an input on T-Robb from King fans and find out what went wrong with him in Sacramento and hopefully that is done now but with more respect. As a Rocket fan, we too have been dealt with some crappy hands of our own not too long ago, with the career ending injuries to both T-Mac and Yao in their prime. I'll definitely be rooting for your team to stay.

 

[Tetsujin]

The players are largely irrelevant to this discussion. The most important thing for the Kings was that the Maloofs acquired that last bit of f*** you money to better ingrain themselves into Sacramento's collective memory

 

[D13]

Sorry, but your post seems a tinge passive aggressive. If you are looking for reinforcement that you guys got the best deal, you won't find much argument here. But its mostly based on future potential. You guys got a project, and it could go either way. TRob is a few years from being a reliable backup, let along a starter. He's a bit wild and needs to slow way down. He has decent mechanics, but is a terrible jump shooter. He gets most of his points off put backs and dunks. Has an occasional ally oop but IMO has bad timing and not so good hands. He can defend one on one, but is totally lost on defensive schemes. Not really sure the IQ is there. On the flip side, he has potential. Super athletic, quick and great motor. That's what we are bummed about. He could go either way tho. There is nothing for sure there IMO. He has never dominated or done much to change the outcome of a game. For a 5th pic he has definitely underachieved... and yes he has had his chances.

As far as what we got. The best thing we may get out of PP is a buddy to chill out Cousins. Aldrich was a 11 pick, has size, and fills a spot in need... still maybe hoping something there; doesn't sound like it according to you tho. Douglas is just gonna be added to the guard heap we already have. Nothing good will come from that.

So yes, we probably got hosed. But then again, your new toy also has allot to live up to. This is going to take a couple years to see who won.

 

[Glenn]

Thanks for the note. I pretty much knew the info you gave us on the players we got.

As to TRob, the best answer is "I don't know." He never got regular playing time and when he did play, he appeared a bit lost. I don't know if that's because he is a rookie, the coaching, or both. He never was given a chance and there is the possibility he didn't earn a chance. His main skill is rebounding. He could become a decent defender as he is quick enough to do a decent job out to the the three point line. I doubt if he will ever be much of a scorer. He has no shot although he has probably never needed one as he could over power people in college so we don't know how he will evolve. As to the PnR, I can't say I saw him involved in one which is not unique on this team. He could do it very well because of his size and quickness but he is going to need some teaching. He is fortunate to leave here. I hope he is given some attention as he could be a solid rotation player and if you are lucky, a starter.

Perhaps most likely he will be a super garbage man because of his athleticism. Others might be able to give much more info but basically we never got to see him play. I think most of us were disappointed in how he was used.

I personally doubt that Honeycutt has a career although there will be people who disagree. I suspect those who disagree are people who followed him in college. I think they are wrong.

Garcia can contribute. He is not big, he is not tall but is a decent shooter, has a unique skill of being able to block shots from behind and is the ultimate locker room guy. He would call up rookies after the games and check how they were doing. I personally would like him back on the Kings but at less salary. He is the ultimate pro. He will not complain. He will do what the team wants. He is injury prone. I think everyone here liked him and he got some minutes lately perhaps to showcase him for a trade. He was the longest tenured King which is either good or bad depending on the mood you are in when you think carefully about that statement.

Our coach is so bad that any evaluation of any of our players except for a couple has to be looked at through a prism that includes the fact they were all misused.



Edit: I just read the two notes that got sneaked in before mine. We are very bitter about this trade. You might have figured that out.

 

[mac]

Aldrich is terrible. I'd rather put 6'5" Chuck Hayes in at center than Aldrich. If he gets back up minutes, I'd expect him to get benched rather early like what happened in Houston. Just remember that Hasheem Thabeet saw the floor in OKC and Aldrich couldn't.

We're pretty thin at the 4, so T-Robb might get some early playing time. Other than T-Robb, we only have one true 4 on the team and that's Motiejunas who still has a lot of work to do. In fact we've been starting 6'7" shooting guard/small forward Carlos Delfino at the 4 for the last 2 games lol.

So why are you here again?

 

[jalfa]

you can definitely see how T-Rob would fit in Houston. he's a pretty good rebounder, his TRB% ranks him somewhere in the top30 NBA wide. him and Asik together should be dominant on the boards (as DMC and him should've been), which will help your -already pretty damn good- fastbreak game a lot. he'll also run fill the lanes and bring the ball up himself occasionally, the first thing being a good thing, the second very much not so. your coaching staff should be able to stop him from doing so, seeing as how you have a lot of players that actually can run a decent fastbreak (Harden/Lin/Parsons). he can't stretch the floor like 2Pat or Morris could, but he does have the potential to at least be a decent midrange shooter and, as others have noted, he's a good defender and improving. considering your circumstances, I'd be ecstatic if I were you. T-Rob is now in a system that is pretty ideal for him and has a coaching staff that will help a lot in unlocking his potential. plus, he's now removed from a situation that was clearly not ideal for him and will be extra motivated to prove himself.

 

[LWP777]

I stopped reading after the 2nd "y'all"

 

[Cwebb#4]

Here's what I think the trade was:

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[22straight]

I stopped reading after the 2nd "y'all"

Texas lol.

 

[Ryan]

I stopped reading after the 2nd "y'all"

 

[Cwebb#4]

Lol.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I would have been OK with the trade had Jones or Motijunas been thrown in. Even a first rounder would be some sort of asset. Trade was just horrible on our part.

 

[22straight]

Y'all is a colloquialism that is widely used in the South.

 

[UK_King]

I got the feeling most people would have traded T-rob for a box of cereal and a small pepsi a couple of weeks ago.

So in that respect we did alright.

 

[whozit]

Y'all is a colloquialism that is widely used in the South.

True.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Y'all is a colloquialism that is widely used in the South.

"What's the difference between a northern girl and a southern girl? A northern girl says, 'You can,' and a southern girl says, 'You all can.'"

 

[SacTownKid]

I got the feeling most people would have traded T-rob for a box of cereal and a small pepsi a couple of weeks ago.

So in that respect we did alright.

No kidding, anyone looking to dump on this trade are doing so pretty much because they still think of TRob as a #5 pick. He'll probably top out somewhere around a Paul Millsap level and if the Jazz drafted Paul Millsap at #5 they'd probably still be talking bust talk too.

My personal opinion is that the Rockets got a better prospect, the Kings got a better player for their needs. Just really hope Aldrich gets a chance to play too.

 

[Kingsfan23]

First of all, give it up to Daryl Morey the Wizard, who's been known to pull off some heists, obviously the recent trade with y'all, the Harden trade as well as the Kevin Martin trade (Kevin Martin was also the centerpiece in getting Harden).

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If you weren't a troll you wouldnt have led with that. Why would Kings fans want to hear any of that. Stuff the nonsense with Morey, he's overrated and mediocre

 

[Gary]

Y'all is a colloquialism that is widely used in the South.

I use it all the time too and I have never lived in Texas. Sacramento, born and raised. The people here are a little bit pissy (including myself) because of everything going on.

 

[Bricklayer]

Come on guys, y'all is just a regional thing. As a general rule we don't pick on local colloquialisms.

As for the trade, D13 came close enough to my response to this that I'll jsut second his ratherr than type up a new one myself.

 

[gunks]

No kidding, anyone looking to dump on this trade are doing so pretty much because they still think of TRob as a #5 pick. He'll probably top out somewhere around a Paul Millsap level and if the Jazz drafted Paul Millsap at #5 they'd probably still be talking bust talk too.

My personal opinion is that the Rockets got a better prospect, the Kings got a better player for their needs. Just really hope Aldrich gets a chance to play too.

While I agree that T-Rob doesnt have the highest ceiling, I think if he was given the chance here he would be a fan favorite, blue collar type player. He is going to be Faried-lite over on the Rockets.

 

[Tetsujin]

He picked up Chandler Parsons with the 38th overall pick, saw something in Omer Asik no one else did, turned a bunch of role players into assets for the big Dwight Howard trade, and when he failed to get Dwight Howard, his consolation prize was James Harden. Then ultimately got the 5th overall pick for some scrap metal. And after all this, he still left enough cap to give DH12 the max in the offseason. That's mediocre?

Back to T-Robb, we don't need him to score a lot of points, we're already the number 2 scoring team in the league, with Harden and Lin dominating the ball, T-Robb likely won't get many touches outside of putbacks/dunks/under the basket. We really just need him to do the blue collar stuff and be able to finish at the rim. It's no secret Morey is going after DH12 in the offseason, so T-Robb might just be another asset for another trade in the offseason, the former 5th overall pick is much sexier in a trade offer than Patterson, Douglas and Aldrich. If he is indeed part of the team's future and can eventually be a 14 and 10 guy that defends, I'd be ecstatic.

Have fun with that.

 

[Heuge]

That's mediocre?

3 straight lottery appearances. 1 playoff series win in his 6 year tenure. Yup, mediocre.

You have to give it to him though, for putting Geoff's number in his phone.

 

[Heuge]

Lol is that how you evaluate a GM?

Ya, wins. They are so overrated.
I will call him more than a mediocre GM when he is able to put a winning product on the floor. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[VF21]

Lol is that how you evaluate a GM? It's his fault his star players, T-Mac and Yao, were supposed to be hitting their prime but had injuries that ended their careers prematurely?

3 years after the end of the T-Mac and Yao era and we were forced to start over, Morey already got his next franchise player in Harden. 3 years was all it took. And he did all this without tanking, we drafted 14th back to back, so we were still competing. When Morey gutted the entire roster last summer (only two players remain from last year's roster), everyone assumed we were tanking, but nah, he knew what he was doing, it was his master plan unfolding and now Morey has us ready to contend again in the very near future.

By the way, Atlanta was practically begging for Morey to take Josh Smith at the trade deadline, but nah, Morey would only trade a bag of chips for him, because he knows 1. He can either get him in the offseason or 2. He doesn't believe Josh Smith will make them good enough to face Miami in the Finals, and Smith wants a max contract, so signing him would mean you're capped out and it could handcuff the franchise. Morey knows what he's doing, he's not looking to build his team into a number 5 seed, he's building a championship team.

I'll be totally honest. If you're here to discuss your GM, don't bother. If you're here to continue to tout how you got the best of the deal, don't bother. In case you haven't heard., we're kind of up to our arse in alligators at the moment so forgive us if we forget about draining the swamp.

Show some respect. We honestly don't need a Rockets fan here to rub salt in our wounds. We've gotten pretty good at doing it ourselves the past couple of years.

 

[22straight]

I'll be totally honest. If you're here to discuss your GM, don't bother. If you're here to continue to tout how you got the best of the deal, don't bother. In case you haven't heard., we're kind of up to our arse in alligators at the moment so forgive us if we forget about draining the swamp.

Show some respect. We honestly don't need a Rockets fan here to rub salt in our wounds. We've gotten pretty good at doing it ourselves the past couple of years.

True, there was a lot of gloating added in obviously and I apologize for that, I truly do, I was just so excited when I woke up and heard the news, I honestly didn't think we'd make any more moves this season. I also apologize to all the King fans here, y'all are classy fans and did not deserve that. I also want you guys to know that despite my gloating, it did not represent the Houston Rocket fans, they're great people, never had issues with any of them at any of the games, no Houston Rocket fan encouraged me to come on your board. It was a dick move by me and I'm not proud of it now looking back.

I have nothing against the Kings, I freaking loved that squad back in the day with C-Webb, Christie, Bibby and company. You have a tremendous talent in Cousins, and I honestly think he has Tim Duncan like talent, at least on the offensive end. You're closer to being relevant than you think, you're just a hot mess right now, but a foundation piece is there, in Cousins, and that makes things a little easier. It's like having a bad football team but you just drafted a QB in the first round that has potential to be great...the rest of the pieces eventually fall in place.

Make Tyreke a Sixth Man and he could kill it, get a REAL point guard and it'll do wonders for Cousins.

Gut the team except for Cousins, Tyreke and Patterson and start building around that.

 

[sook]

Rockets fan here:


Sorry about this dickhead, he posted this on our site and we called him out for his B.S. Kings are a great organization and I really hope they stay in Sac.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=234392

You come off as a douche and I'm glad you didn't mention clutchfans

My take, this trade makes us worse for now and I hope TRobb develops into a solid player. Morey is REALLY overrated by some Rockets fans, mostly the homer ones.

 

[sook]

Lol is that how you evaluate a GM? It's his fault his star players, T-Mac and Yao, were supposed to be hitting their prime but had injuries that ended their careers prematurely?

3 years after the end of the T-Mac and Yao era and we were forced to start over, Morey already got his next franchise player in Harden. 3 years was all it took. And he did all this without tanking, we drafted 14th back to back, so we were still competing. When Morey gutted the entire roster last summer (only two players remain from last year's roster), everyone assumed we were tanking, but nah, he knew what he was doing, it was his master plan unfolding and now Morey has us ready to contend again in the very near future.

By the way, Atlanta was practically begging for Morey to take Josh Smith at the trade deadline, but nah, Morey would only trade a bag of chips for him, because he knows 1. He can either get him in the offseason or 2. He doesn't believe Josh Smith will make them good enough to face Miami in the Finals, and Smith wants a max contract, so signing him would mean you're capped out and it could handcuff the franchise. Morey knows what he's doing, he's not looking to build his team into a number 5 seed, he's building a championship team.

Morey has been playing the "collecting assets" game for years and it didn't really pay off before the Harden trade. He is way too over confident sometimes and It really shows. He is a good/mediocre GM as of now.

 

[deekay2o9]

I think Morey is a good GM, good at finding diamonds in roughs. Even if he was the GM here, his hands would be tied by the Maloofs.

 

[Henkel]

Ya, wins. They are so overrated.
I will call him more than a mediocre GM when he is able to put a winning product on the floor. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

You won't be waiting long. That team isn't far off considering they have already taken care of the hardest part now that they have Harden.

He is also right that if Yao and TM didn't go down that team could of been really good.

Not sure why people are so hostile towards this poster. Appreciate the info.