Raptors send O'Neal to Heat for Marion and Banks

This is not good news for the Kings at all. Marion was one of the few real possibilities for shipping Brad.
 
If Brad didn't miss the last 5 games due to injury, who knows, maybe we could have made the trade to send Marion here.

Yup. My thoughts too. Although since Toronto is taking on Marcus Banks I think that's what ultimately got the deal done. Kings didn't want to do that (and with good reason), so no deal.
 
I think trading Brad crossed all of our minds...

From the rumor mill, I don't think anyone else was interested in him. Although I'm really hoping otherwise, I think we might have to for next year's trade deadline to trade Miller/Thomas. Sheesh.

Good trade for both parties, though. While both players are declining, this gives Miami a true center & frees up room for Beasley (who has been quite disappointing I might add). For Toronto, they'll get someone who's a good fit for uptempo play, and this also presents a stronger frontcourt with Marion at SF, Bosh at the 4 and Bargnani at the 5 (if Bargnani can keep his recent play consistent). Also, Toronto gets some nice cap room this summer...

Get on the wire Petrie!!!
 
I may be in the minority here, but Im glad this trade went down for a few reasons..

1) I didnt want marion here for the rest of the year - we may win ourselves out of the top pick

2) Maybe this trade will get things going

3) miami may be out of the boozer sweepstakes this summer
 
Too bad, but I'm glad we didn't take on Banks for 2.5 more years just to see Brad go. I'd rather just let him expire after next year.
 
The only good news is that 2 big names are now moved and hopefully the trading frenzy will begin and more teams will start making moves. It always seems to be a game of chicken, and once one team makes a move all the other teams do to. Hopefully we will see our team in the trade news here soon!!! 6 days....
 
Do You really believe that there would be someone willing to take Brad Miller ?

Good for You !
 
Yup. My thoughts too. Although since Toronto is taking on Marcus Banks I think that's what ultimately got the deal done. Kings didn't want to do that (and with good reason), so no deal.

Pretty much what happened. A couple of weeks ago Riley offered Marion/Banks for Brad/KT and Petrie said no.
 
well with Bibby, Petrie took his time... waited it out... and took back crap.
with Artest, Petrie took his time... waited it out... and took back crap.

For Brad, he will probably get back two or three flexible pieces of crap. I expect no more.

Shock me Geoff!
 
well with Bibby, Petrie took his time... waited it out... and took back crap.
with Artest, Petrie took his time... waited it out... and took back crap.

For Brad, he will probably get back two or three flexible pieces of crap. I expect no more.

Shock me Geoff!


Cavs offered us Daniel Gibson and one of their PF's for Bibby. Petrie was an idiot for not taking that deal.
 
with Artest, Petrie took his time... waited it out... and took back crap.

Now, now. Bobby has honestly been our best player the last week or so, it's a bit early to call AirBuckets a flop, and we haven't even cashed in the draft pick yet. (Plus, we got rid of Artest!)

It's clear we didn't get anything useful out of Bibby, but the jury is still out on Artest.
 
I think everyone is missing the point here.


We weren't going to get Marion, Stoudamire, or any big name guy. Petrie is just trying to get rid of the terrible salaries we possess so we can be players in the FA market the next two summers. I totally do not expect us to land any big names by the deadline.
 
I think everyone is missing the point here.


We weren't going to get Marion, Stoudamire, or any big name guy. Petrie is just trying to get rid of the terrible salaries we possess so we can be players in the FA market the next two summers. I totally do not expect us to land any big names by the deadline.

Marion isn't a "big name". He's a big expiring contract so, like you said, we can clear cap space. Nobody really wants Marion for anywhere close to what he is getting now
 
Now, now. Bobby has honestly been our best player the last week or so, it's a bit early to call AirBuckets a flop, and we haven't even cashed in the draft pick yet. (Plus, we got rid of Artest!)

It's clear we didn't get anything useful out of Bibby, but the jury is still out on Artest.

The Bibby trade was to get his deal off the books. The Maloofs didn't want to pay him $15 million this season. And they got Shelden Williams and a draft pick. Not that Shelden Williams is going to be anything significant (and it looks like the second rounder is going to be sort of low, also), but it cleared Bibby's contract.

The Artest deal was all about getting rid of Artest. Honestly, I'd have done it for the first rounder in this year's draft, by itself. The fact that we got Donte Green is a plus, and Bobby's contract will be off the books after this season. So we essentially got a first rounder and a youngster for Artest's expiring contract. That deal is already a winner for us.
 
The Bibby trade was to get his deal off the books. The Maloofs didn't want to pay him $15 million this season. And they got Shelden Williams and a draft pick. Not that Shelden Williams is going to be anything significant (and it looks like the second rounder is going to be sort of low, also), but it cleared Bibby's contract.

The second rounder was last season. We used it for either Singletary or PEJr. -- I can't remember which of our two consecutives happened to be Atlanta's.
 
I like Marcus Banks, and at age 26, I still think that he could resurrect a career if he could grow a brain, because he has the speed, strength and athleticism combination that few point guards can even boast of. He has a defensive rep already too. The best situation for him to excel is as an off guard offensively, and as a point guard defensively though...and I'm not sure most teams like to do the switcheroo unless they have a tall point guard. He can't pass, and he's turnover prone; so that assist per turnover ratio has gone to hell the moment he steps on the court, and really shows his very immature game. Until he grows a brain (doubtful), consider him peaked already, but I would think that if he had a more reasonable contract (again, the reason why contracts lower the value of players) he could be more valued--there are few defensive point guards with his combination of physical tools, and even if he's peaked to what he is now, he can still be useful as a spot player for matchup purposes. Not sure how Toronto will use him, but he's better than Willie Solomon.

That being said, Miami gets the better of this deal. Shawn Marion is just losing it, and he's just an expiring contract. I'm equally skeptical about Jermaine, but he's resurrected himself as a very good role player of sorts while in Toronto, and his combination of solid offense and ability to block shots is a highly valued around the league. However, if he does get injured and can't stay out of it (possible given his injury history), Miami may be stuck in a rut again. It's a risky proposition here for them. But talentwise, Jermaine is better than Shawn at this stage, and Moon is a poor man's Shawn Marion and will earn a role as an energizer bunny. As I said, I like Banks, but that's just one person's opinion, and coaches tend to disagree with me--although I understand their rationale behind it.
 
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That being said, Miami gets the better of this deal.
I agree, they get rid of a bad contract and an expiring and get an even larger expiring for 2010 who helps fill a need at C.

Shawn Marion is just losing it, and he's just an expiring contract.
I am not sure I would go so far as to say he is "losing it". Marion is still a very good player with some very valuable skills. He is on the wrong side of 30, but still has some good years left ahead of him. Toronto gets a boost in the short term pairing him with Bosh, and then they get some cap space in the offseason to work with. They can consider re-signing Marion to a more manageable deal if things work out with him, or see what other opportunities emerge.


I'm equally skeptical about Jermaine, but he's resurrected himself as a very good role player of sorts while in Toronto, and his combination of solid offense and ability to block shots is a highly valued around the league. However, if he does get injured and can't stay out of it (possible given his injury history), Miami may be stuck in a rut again. It's a risky proposition here for them.
I don't think it is a very risky move at all for Miami. It is actually a great move for Riley.

They get rid of Banks and his contract and they add a player at a need position who also happens to be a massive expiring contract in 2010. They now have only ~$10 million on their cap for the 2010 offseason. That means they have enough cash under the cap to re-sign Wade, go after another max FA like Bosh/Lebron/Amare, AND add another good role player in the ~$7-8 million range.

Certainly in the short term it would hurt their chances if O'Neal continues to have health issues and plays sparingly, but either way they are setting themselves up well for the future. If I were a GM, I would much rather have O'Neal now and a very good shot at Bosh/Lebron/Amare than Marion now and a shot at Boozer.
 
The plan ever since Shaq was traded was to free cap space for 2010. Rumors began swirling after Wade and LeBron jokingly said that they "really" wanted to play together. Come on Riley!! You got South Beach as a barganing chip... offer LeBron the max for 3-4 years, have him and Wade play while Wade is still in his prime, have them dominate the leauge for the next couple of years, and he still leaves LeBron with one more HUGE MAX contract. Could be fun.
 
That article is lame. McGrady didn't come to Orlando as a superstar, he became one in Orlando.

And Webb and Carter were not in their "primes" when they were traded.
But it still raises a VERY valid point in all this. Max type players very very rarely leave their teams. Especially since the new CBA that heavily favours the team that already has the player. As pointed out in that article, very validly I might add, why would someone walk away from a guaranteed $31 million?!

Thats why I think none of the big FAs will actually leave their teams. The ones that would want to leave will have to negotiate a sign and trade and even then, why exactly would the team oblige to a player that just turned their back on the team?!

Thats why I think it would be a massive coup if Petrie can swing a deal for Amare. Sure he is not a true franchise player, and sure he doesn't make you a contender over night, but he is still a max type player. He is still someone that is an all-star and at worst, down the track, you have a major trading chip to trade for that franchise player. Ala Richmond for Webber.

No matter how much money we can clear for the summer of 2010, we will never land a marquee FA. We are a small market team, that cannot offer major endorsment opportunities, nor max money. The best way we can get one of those players is by trade. They don't become available too often but once they do, we must make the most of it. Thats how we got Webber and thats how we are likely to get our next centrepiece.

Unless of course we get very lucky and get one through the draft. Unfortunatly that sort of player is not in this draft class.
 
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