Rapper Proof Shot and Killed

[Fillmoe]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]D-12 member Proof was shot and killed in Detroit, Michigan this morning (April 11) at an after hours club on Eight Mile Road.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Proof, born Deshaun Hotlon, was murdered at the Triple C club around 4:30 am and another man was seriously wounded, both with gunshots to the head.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We cannot give out names, or any specifics because of the investigation," Sgt. Omar Feliciano told AllHipHop.com. "We are following our leads. But, one male [Proof], 32, was taken to Holy Cross hospital with a gun shot to the head. Another male, 35, was taken to Saint John's in private transporation and he is in critical condition."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sources told AllHipHop.com that the second man shot may have been fellow D-12 group member Bizarre, but police have not released the victims identity as of press time. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other reports stated that police may be seeking to question Bizarre after an altercation took place in the club, but police would neither confirm nor deny either scenario.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One witness was being questioned by the police, who are still seeking suspects.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The rapper was signed to superstar rapper Eminem's Shady Records as a member of the platinum selling group, D-12. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The group, which features members Eminem, Kon Artis, Proof, Swift , Bizarre and Kuniva, released their debut album Devil's Night in 2001. The group followed with D12 World in 2004, which produced the hit single "My Band."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Proof followed with a solo album titled Searching for Jerry Garcia in 2005, released on his own label, Iron Fist Recordings.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Proof was an influential figure on the Detroit rap scene, hosting legendary battles at the Hip Hop Shop. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the movie 8 Mile, Mekhi Phifer was chosen to embody Proof as the character "Lil Tic."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bizarre was also featured on VH1's celebrity weight loss show, Celebrity Fit Club.
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source:http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=5552
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[atxrocker]

yet another tragedy

RIP

 

[Folsom Al]

Sad ....

I don't understand this LIFESTYLE at times ... what I mean is I do, but is this all about:

DISRESPECTIN' SOMEBODY - BEING #1 - LYRICS - WHAT ????

I'll be honest - I don't get it

Hip-Hop, Rap, gangsta's .... or does this type of thing COME WITH THE TERRITORY

I'm asking cuz this mentallity, problem solving, or type of competitiveness is KILLING PEOPLE.

 

[Bricklayer]

Perhaps mildly offensive here, but should be said.

Ok, do not know this guy. But he's at an after hours club at 4:30 am. Do not know whether he was packing. Would be willing to bet he had a posse however, and the way these things go at least one of them would be armed. Point being simply this is not a "senseless tragedy", as it happens again and again and again in predictable fashion. It is part and parcel of a particular set of lifestyle choices. Like hearing that a mountain climber froze to death at 25,000 feet. Unfortunate, but it is one of the risks you take if you choose to play that particular lifestyle game. Getting shot buying orange juice at a grocery store is a senseless tragedy. Getting shot posing at a club at 4:30 am, likely with posse, guns, women and liquor all in abundance is something approaching a choice.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Perhaps mildly offensive here, but should be said.

Ok, do not know this guy. But he's at an after hours club at 4:30 am. Do not know whether he was packing. Would be willing to bet he had a posse however, and the way these things go at least one of them would be armed. Point being simply this is not a "senseless tragedy", as it happens again and again and again in predictable fashion. It is part and parcel of a particular set of lifestyle choices. Like hearing that a mountain climber froze to death at 25,000 feet. Unfortunate, but it is one of the risks you take if you choose to play that particular lifestyle game. Getting shot buying orange juice at a grocery store is a senseless tragedy. Getting shot posing at a club at 4:30 am, likely with posse, guns, women and liquor all in abundance is something approaching a choice.

I'll do you one better... I call it "predictable outcome."
There is perhaps no greater missuesd word in print than "tragedy"

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Perhaps mildly offensive here, but should be said.

Ok, do not know this guy. But he's at an after hours club at 4:30 am. Do not know whether he was packing. Would be willing to bet he had a posse however, and the way these things go at least one of them would be armed. Point being simply this is not a "senseless tragedy", as it happens again and again and again in predictable fashion. It is part and parcel of a particular set of lifestyle choices. Like hearing that a mountain climber froze to death at 25,000 feet. Unfortunate, but it is one of the risks you take if you choose to play that particular lifestyle game. Getting shot buying orange juice at a grocery store is a senseless tragedy. Getting shot posing at a club at 4:30 am, likely with posse, guns, women and liquor all in abundance is something approaching a choice.

I don't think that anybody said that it was a "senseless" tragedy.

And no, I wouldn't categorize your attitude as being "offensive" necessarily. I might have, however, thought of another idiom to describe it; kind of sounds like licorice...

There is perhaps no greater missuesd word in print than "tragedy"

From Miriam-Webster:

Main Entry: trag·e·dy
Pronunciation: 'tra-j&-dE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
Etymology: Middle English tragedie, from Middle French, from Latin tragoedia, from Greek tragOidia, from tragos goat (akin to Greek trOgein to gnaw) + aeidein to sing -- more at TROGLODYTE, ODE
1 a : a medieval narrative poem or tale typically describing the downfall of a great man b : a serious drama typically describing a conflict between the protagonist and a superior force (as destiny) and having a sorrowful or disastrous conclusion that excites pity or terror c : the literary genre of tragic dramas
2 a : a disastrous event : CALAMITY b : MISFORTUNE
3 : tragic quality or element

He was only thirty-two, professor; that's little more than a year older than I am, so you'll pardon me if I choose to classify a premature death as a "disastrous event" until proven otherwise.

 

[loopymitch]

Does anyone else whose seen Eminem's Toy Soldier video think this was prophetic? it could have been anyone from D12 or Em's friends but I just think it was strange that it was Proof.
Condolences to his family and friends.

 

[Mad D]

RIP DeShaun Holton (aka Oil Can Harry aka Proof)

 

[KiNgMyC]

Rip

 

[kingkung]

And no, I wouldn't categorize your attitude as being "offensive" necessarily. I might have, however, thought of another idiom to describe it; kind of sounds like licorice...

I'm not sure what idiom you're thinking of... PM me if it's inappropriate.

 

[kingkung]

RIP Proof. He was a good guy.

Actually, I have no idea who he was, nor do I really care too much. But no one deserves to die like that.

 

[Fillmoe]

I'm not sure what idiom you're thinking of... PM me if it's inappropriate.

i think he meant ignorance.... but i could be wrong....

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

i think he meant ignorance.... but i could be wrong....

You could, and you are. "Ignorance" is a good deal nicer than what I meant.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Ignorance and licorice don't even rhyme.

 

[VF21]

Could we let this go and just give condolences to the families involved?

 

[HndsmCelt]

From Miriam-Webster:

He was only thirty-two, professor; that's little more than a year older than I am, so you'll pardon me if I choose to classify a premature death as a "disastrous event" until proven otherwise.

As one who studdies the philosophy of language I really have never had much use for Webster's and this is a good examply of why. Why must everything unpleasant or unfortunate be billed as a tragedy? I prefer to limit the word to works of literature, especially dramatic literature, that involve a protagonist (the "tragic hero") suffering a downfall because of some character flaw.

But hey, not everyone wants to be an professor. I won't make too big a fuss if others choose to apply the word to real-life situations rather than the works of Sophocles and Shakespeare. If you want to call the deaths of Anne Frank and José Martí tragic, knock yourself out. I do get cranky, though, when people apply it to every death or disappointment and even many natural disasters — forest fires, say — don't seem to me really tragic. They suck; they're disasters, calamaties, even cataclysms or catastrophes; they're deplorable, lamentable, pitiful, woeful, ineffable — but the word tragic has been used so often it's now either cant or a cliche.

In this case my objection has to do with the greater set of circumstances surronding the unfortuante death of a young man that go beyond mere age. I have applied the same rational to the deaths of 46 year old Tim Tredwell and his 36 year old girlfriend Ann Huguenard who were killed by Grizzlys when they decided to "live with the Griz" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/142982_bearattack08.html

Sad yes, but tragic was not a word I personaly would use. Predictable is more accurate.

 

[VF21]

Dang. That's good. ^

I personally have a thing about "premature death" but you've stated the case against the overuse of "tragedy" eloquently.

The young man was shot and killed. That's sad but, as I believe Bricklayer was trying to point out, a recurring side effect of the lifestyle he had chosen to follow.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

As one who studdies the philosophy of language I really have never had much use for Webster's and this is a good examply of why. Why must everything unpleasant or unfortunate be billed as a tragedy? I prefer to limit the word to works of literature, especially dramatic literature, that involve a protagonist (the "tragic hero") suffering a downfall because of some character flaw.

But hey, not everyone wants to be an professor. I won't make too big a fuss if others choose to apply the word to real-life situations rather than the works of Sophocles and Shakespeare. If you want to call the deaths of Anne Frank and José Martí tragic, knock yourself out. I do get cranky, though, when people apply it to every death or disappointment and even many natural disasters — forest fires, say — don't seem to me really tragic. They suck; they're disasters, calamaties, even cataclysms or catastrophes; they're deplorable, lamentable, pitiful, woeful, ineffable — but the word tragic has been used so often it's now either cant or a cliche.

In this case my objection has to do with the greater set of circumstances surronding the unfortuante death of a young man that go beyond mere age. I have applied the same rational to the deaths of 46 year old Tim Tredwell and his 36 year old girlfriend Ann Huguenard who were killed by Grizzlys when they decided to "live with the Griz" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/142982_bearattack08.html

Sad yes, but tragic was not a word I personaly would use. Predictable is more accurate.

Alright then, professor... in the interest of calling it down the middle, what makes Proof's death any less of a tragedy than Anne Frank?

And why should the use of the word "tragedy" be limited to literary usage? I mean, not everyone relates real life to literature...

 

[HndsmCelt]

Alright then, professor... in the interest of calling it down the middle, what makes Proof's death any less of a tragedy than Anne Frank?

And why should the use of the word "tragedy" be limited to literary usage? I mean, not everyone relates real life to literature...

The origins of the word from the greek are spesific to drama/lit The Greek Tragedies have a spesific make up that seperate them from other dramas despite the fact that really bad things hapen in Medea, it is not a tragedy while Oedepus is.

Personally I would NOT desecribe the deaths of Ann Frank and Marti as tragic I only said that when I read/hear the term missused to describe their deaths it makes me less cantankerous than when I hear a reporter use the term tragedy to describe a forest fire or earth quake. I hold to a philosophy that most words have fairly clear and concise meanings and the more we blur the these meanings and generalize thier useage the less meaningfull and clear our language is; Just have a one hour chat with an average 16 year old and I think you will see my point.

As for baiting me into making the claim that Ann Frank's life was some how more valuable than Proof's your barking up the wrong tree there. Heck, I don't belive in capital punnishment BECEAUSE I belive all life is valuable.

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

The young man was shot and killed. That's sad but, as I believe Bricklayer was trying to point out, a recurring side effect of the lifestyle he had chosen to follow.

I read somewhere that Proof tried to promote less violence on the streets and peace among people trying to make it out of Detroit. He apparently was very outspoken about not resorting to violence. Go figure huh

RIP Proof, and my heart goes out to his family and friends in their time of grief and hardship.

 

[kingkung]

Ignorance and licorice don't even rhyme.

Though I am very ignorant of licorice.

 

[kingkung]

And no, I wouldn't categorize your attitude as being "offensive" necessarily. I might have, however, thought of another idiom to describe it; kind of sounds like licorice...

The only thing I can think of that sounds like licorice is a combination of two horrible words: one extremely offensive to a race, and the other to a gender. I think I got the first one correct, I'm not sure at all about the second.

 

[RoyalDiva]

As one who studdies the philosophy of language I really have never had much use for Webster's and this is a good examply of why. Why must everything unpleasant or unfortunate be billed as a tragedy? I prefer to limit the word to works of literature, especially dramatic literature, that involve a protagonist (the "tragic hero") suffering a downfall because of some character flaw.

But hey, not everyone wants to be an professor. I won't make too big a fuss if others choose to apply the word to real-life situations rather than the works of Sophocles and Shakespeare. If you want to call the deaths of Anne Frank and José Martí tragic, knock yourself out. I do get cranky, though, when people apply it to every death or disappointment and even many natural disasters — forest fires, say — don't seem to me really tragic. They suck; they're disasters, calamaties, even cataclysms or catastrophes; they're deplorable, lamentable, pitiful, woeful, ineffable — but the word tragic has been used so often it's now either cant or a cliche.

In this case my objection has to do with the greater set of circumstances surronding the unfortuante death of a young man that go beyond mere age. I have applied the same rational to the deaths of 46 year old Tim Tredwell and his 36 year old girlfriend Ann Huguenard who were killed by Grizzlys when they decided to "live with the Griz" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/142982_bearattack08.html

Sad yes, but tragic was not a word I personaly would use. Predictable is more accurate.

You summed it up perfectly, and I agree with you 100%.

 

[Folsom Al]

Ya know - in a quirky way, this reminds of that CSI-Las Vegas episode ..

The one in which a female news reporter's decapitated head (with a snake in it) was found in one of those street newspaper coin machines.

Her killer killed her because he thought he would live forever by music/song. Someone would immortalize him in the MUIC/LIFESTYLE he was listening-to and living.

From what I've been able to gather in this thread - it's the lifestyle

Well, I don't want any part of it ..

 

[RoyalDiva]

Exactly, Folsom Al. As for being immortalized, there are so many of them dead, how can they all be immortalized?? I think that little ploy just backfires on them.

 

[gina]

Sad yes, but tragic was not a word I personaly would use. Predictable is more accurate.

Predictable indeed.

The elements that lead to that kind of predictability are tragic imo.