iowamcnabb
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Kings are 20 games under .500
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Kings are 20 games under .500
I was about to say, are people just ignoring how we've played this season on purpose?
We're the following
27th best record in basketball at 8-28
30th in ORtg
27th in DRtg
30th in Net Rtg
We cannot be playing any worse than we are. Short of just throwing Saric and McBuckets out there for 30+ MPG, how can they possibly think this can get any worse?
coolhandluke
Starter
This is great until you realize that Christie is trying to win games.
And he and the team are really bad at it.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Hornets with an unlikely win against the Thunder. If they are tired of being bad j wonder if they buy at the deadline
QWERTYLICIOUS
Starter
Huh???
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Does it even matter? It’s not like Keegan Murray is contributing at all to winning games. lol
May as well keep him out there and just hope to hope year 1 shooting magically comes back. I know we ask him to play defense now and it’s really hard to do both but we can hope and hope and hope.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Clippers win again.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Thompson twins can't shoot but they still contribute to winning for their clubs. Muray has his usefulness but by the time the Kings are at a winning record again, he may be out his prime so it will be interesting to see how soon he gets traded.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
He needs to be productive so we could ship him for Paolo if Orlando makes him available this summer
Clippers were never a threat for bottom three
Srzly
Bench
Paolo is a worse defender and shooter than Keegan though? If Keegan sucks because he can’t shoot 3s then why does Paolo get a pass?
The season is less than half over so we'll see how this all ends, but it's hard to argue that being tied for second worst record in the league to this point doesn't count as "properly tanking".
We'd have to go 22-24 the rest of the way to "reach" 30 wins. Does anyone think that's remotely possible?
As Padrino pointed out, we're currently on pace for the worst Kings team of all-time. Outside of just playing Dario Saric 30+ minutes a game, we can't possibly play much worse than we are.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Paolo is two years younger and has the potential to be a first option with career averages of
22-7-4 first options usually get passes unless there all time bad defensively like Luka. Keegan’s ceiling is a 3D guy who doesn’t provide the three for a half the season
Paolo is the same age as Kuminga who the front office apparently loves and the difference is Paolo has shown he could be a 1A guy already in the playoffs. You easily trade Keegan, Carter, and multiple firsts for him then build around Paolo and pure top five pick this year
The major issue with Paolo is he's gotten exposed for being legitimately one of the worst high volume shooters in the NBA. And there's all kinds of on/off stuff out there where the Magic have played better without him than with him.
My guess is the Magic would JUMP at the chance to get a rebuild package like that for him and move forward with Suggs/Bane/Black/Franz
Joshyjosh31
Starter
And we should jump at Paolo considering the upside and his age if he doesn’t improve we have a 6’10 scoring wing. If he improves we have a legit number one player he went even with his flaws he showed up in the past two playoffs
If we get a top four pick with Paolo that would make us one of the up and coming teams imagine Paolo/AJ on the wing
I'd rather just get AJ and not spend the rest of our future draft capital on a guy owed another 240 mil over the next 5 years that doesn't impact winning.
And the point I was brining up is Paolo isn't a very good scoring wing. Statistically, he's one of the worst when you factor in USG, efficiency and shooting
If anybody is thinking about trading for Paolo at the deadline, we need to keep in mind that his extension kicks in next year so he is a "poison pill" contract and matching salary would be nearly impossible. I think we can safely put it down as impossible for us. Can't be done without like straight swapping rosters.
Padrino
All-Star
Yeah, Paolo would be a super intriguing get if he were buy-low, but he's 100% not going to be buy-low. So he'd be an "it's a trap!" kind of trade acquisition, a guy who absolutely looks the part, but once you dig into the numbers even a little, you realize he just hasn't been an efficient scorer or had much impact on winning since he was drafted. Like you, I'd rather see if I've got a chance to snag Dybantsa in the draft, start the rebuild there, and be done with it.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
trade would be around the draft after Orlando flames out of the playoffs and we have solidified a top 4 pick. Keegan, Carter, and 4-5 firsts two of the firsts coming from whatever team we trade Sabonis too (most likely Chicago)
How many 23 year olds out there with career averages of 22-7-4 not many and not a lot of players drafters on the lottery will be as good as him either. We keep talking bout buying on guys that can be stars and I’ve seen push back now with Paolo and Garland two guys that are oozing with star potential.
Paolo contract shouldn’t even be that big of a deal we have to pay someone and we 90% most likely won’t be drafting a guy with his talent again after this draft and that’s if we get one of the top 3 guys
QWERTYLICIOUS
Starter
Putting off the trade until closer to draft does absolutely nothing to help our cause when it comes to the "poison pill" aspect that Capt. mentioned in his post, though...
JFC we're trading multiple firsts that we don't even have yet lol maybe we should keep the firsts.
Srzly
Bench
So you’d rather trade a 3-and-d guy that’s never been given a real chance to be a #1 or #2 option for a guy who plays worse D and also can’t shoot 3s and has proven to be an inefficient scorer as a #1 option just because he is 2 years younger?
And you’d even pay a small fortune to do it?
I just don’t see it making the Kings better. At least not enough to make it worth that trade.
After Keegan’s initial slump he actually shot around 38% from 3 the rest of the year and still many times he missed a 3 you’d see “what happened to his shot” comments in the game threads.
As Mark Jones said, this year Keegan has been playing through a laundry list of injuries and he is doing it while racking up top mileage, on a team where many guys look worse due to our awful coaching/playstyle/roster construction. Might have something to do with his shooting struggles.
He broke the rookie 3pt record and did it much more efficiently than the guy that had the record before him. Maybe he won’t be 40% again, but I feel confident he isn’t truly a 25% shooter either.
I’d rather keep Keegan and the picks and see what happens if we commit to developing young guys at some point
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Even if the trade is done for next season? The trades usually done at the draft don’t become offiacl till July
Pure comedy Keegan has zero chance of being a decent one or two hell even a third guy on a team not in the bottom three every year. Tired of acting like he’s some special talent while everyone outside of Sacramento laughs at us. I get it he scores 20 points once every 20 games that doesn’t mean crap and is he really a shooter when he can’t shoot for half the season cue the excuses. He shot 41% his rookie season and y’all hold on to hit its pathetic he hasn’t shot over 35% from three in a single season since that. People would call that a fluke season if anything but on here we go by that instead of what he’s done since.
Yea I’d give up that many picks for a 23 year old with career averages of 22-7-4 Hea younger than Keegan by two year but can’t improve but Keegan can?
A trade that does not become official until July will use the subsequent year's cap values, so the poison pill provision would no longer be in play.
It's not unusual for teams to announce deals on draft day but not execute them until the season turns. You can frequently tell which is which because the NBA will announce the "stale year" deals within an hour or so, but will not announce the "next year" deals (or will call them pending).
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
King should buy low on
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Serious flaws like Sabonis and Keegan lol people on here were calling Keegan prime Kawhi because he scored 20 points in back to back games when he came back but Paolo putting up 27-7-3 in the playoffs is nothing meanwhile Sabonis can’t get over 15 points in playoff games when his defender isn’t within 8 feet of him and he’s a top ten player
I get not wanting Zion cause of injury but still idiotic not to trade for him at his lowest but not wanting to go in on Paolo who is 23 is mind boggling
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I mean, if we’re going to buy low on a 23 year old, wouldn’t it just be easier to get Kuminga, who is the same age, cheaper to acquire, probably has more in the “untapped potential” mystery box factor at this point, is probably somehow better at defense than Paolo, and most importantly isn’t going to cost a quarter of a billion dollars over the next half decade?
Kingz19
Hall of Famer
I don’t know why I’m seeing any pro tanker that is complaining about whether it’s a proper tank. Lol.
Kings are pretty firmly in the bottom three and bottom 3 all have the same odds to get the number 1 or finish in the top 4. So it’s being done. Whether it’s properly intentional or not isn’t relevant.
Kings are pretty firmly in the bottom three and bottom 3 all have the same odds to get the number 1 or finish in the top 4. So it’s being done. Whether it’s properly intentional or not isn’t relevant.