Race to the Bottom thread

Tetsujin said:
I mean, if we’re going to buy low on a 23 year old, wouldn’t it just be easier to get Kuminga, who is the same age, cheaper to acquire, probably has more in the “untapped potential” mystery box factor at this point, is probably somehow better at defense than Paolo, and most importantly isn’t going to cost a quarter of a billion dollars over the next half decade?
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Difference with Kuminga is I doubt he can be a number one or two option and isn’t even getting playing time. Paolo at the same age is averaging 22-7-4 and went toe to toe with Tatum and Mitchell in playoff series. If this is his floor then you can still build around an all star even if we’re giving up a lot of firsts how many of those players will need up averaging those numbers in there career
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Serious flaws like Sabonis and Keegan lol people on here were calling Keegan prime Kawhi because he scored 20 points in back to back games when he came back but Paolo putting up 27-7-3 in the playoffs is nothing meanwhile Sabonis can’t get over 15 points in playoff games when his defender isn’t within 8 feet of him and he’s a top ten player

I get not wanting Zion cause of injury but still idiotic not to trade for him at his lowest but not wanting to go in on Paolo who is 23 is mind boggling
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The "pure comedy" is you complaining about those people talking that way about Keegan (who are obviously joking and purposefully overreacting in a game thread, as tends to happen all the time on this forum" and proceeding to think Paolo is somehow "that guy".

Also, it's even more "pure comedy" that you're on the bandwagon that Domas doesn't impact winning and he's empty stats, but then want to empty the coffers for Paolo.
 
Kingz19 said:
I don’t know why I’m seeing any pro tanker that is complaining about whether it’s a proper tank. Lol.

Kings are pretty firmly in the bottom three and bottom 3 all have the same odds to get the number 1 or finish in the top 4. So it’s being done. Whether it’s properly intentional or not isn’t relevant.
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There's definitely a conversation about how we're handling and using our young guys, but at the very least, we're properly bad and not hanging around the 9th or 10th worst record with these vets taking all the minutes and USG.
 
The_Jamal said:
The "pure comedy" is you complaining about those people talking that way about Keegan (who are obviously joking and purposefully overreacting in a game thread, as tends to happen all the time on this forum" and proceeding to think Paolo is somehow "that guy".

Also, it's even more "pure comedy" that you're on the bandwagon that Domas doesn't impact winning and he's empty stats, but then want to empty the coffers for Paolo.
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How is it an obvious joke if we get Keegan option one talk whenever he scores 20 points what would the talk be if we had Paolo doing that every game? We still have people calling Keegan an elite shooter cause of one season three years ago

Nobody outside this site takes Sabonis seriously and he isn’t 23 with room to improve again Paolo at 22 went toe to toe with Tatum and Mitchell Sabonis in his prime crap the bed vs teams not defending him cue the excuses
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
How is it an obvious joke if we get Keegan option one talk whenever he scores 20 points what would the talk be if we had Paolo doing that every game? We still have people calling Keegan an elite shooter cause of one season three years ago

Nobody outside this site takes Sabonis seriously and he isn’t 23 with room to improve again Paolo at 22 went toe to toe with Tatum and Mitchell Sabonis in his prime crap the bed vs teams not defending him cue the excuses
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Come on bro, he got stomped and had other injuries (something no one else ever goes through!) That one series where he got owned by a scrub basically didn’t count.
 
Pels and
Pacers both crumble in the fourth quarter after what was looking like positive outcomes. The Wiz won though. Pels have no reason not to compete whereas the Pacers roll over.
 
kingsboi said:
Thompson twins can't shoot but they still contribute to winning for their clubs. Muray has his usefulness but by the time the Kings are at a winning record again, he may be out his prime so it will be interesting to see how soon he gets traded.
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Eh, i still don’t think a fully healthy Kings team is as bad as people think. If they retool around Sabonis, Keegan, Max and a couple of these other guys with a roster that makes a lot more sense, i wouldn’t just assume they’re gonna be in the cellar next season and beyond.
 
The_Jamal said:
The "pure comedy" is you complaining about those people talking that way about Keegan (who are obviously joking and purposefully overreacting in a game thread, as tends to happen all the time on this forum" and proceeding to think Paolo is somehow "that guy".

Also, it's even more "pure comedy" that you're on the bandwagon that Domas doesn't impact winning and he's empty stats, but then want to empty the coffers for Paolo.
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A healthy Domas Sabonis >>>

Dude barely played 10 games this year and wasn’t healthy for a single one. The short term memory around here is funny but that guy is a damn good player and a consistent MVP candidate for a reason.
 
NewArena said:
Eh, i still don’t think a fully healthy Kings team is as bad as people think. If they retool around Sabonis, Keegan, Max and a couple of these other guys with a roster that makes a lot more sense, i wouldn’t just assume they’re gonna be in the cellar next season and beyond.
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retooling isn't the way, Perry knows whats up. It's only a matter of time
 
NewArena said:
A healthy Domas Sabonis >>>

Dude barely played 10 games this year and wasn’t healthy for a single one. The short term memory around here is funny but that guy is a damn good player and a consistent MVP candidate for a reason.
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The man has a pair of 7th and 8th place MVP finishes with a combined 30 points out of the possible 2000 across those two seasons.

The dude is NOT a consistent MVP candidate.
 
NewArena said:
Eh, i still don’t think a fully healthy Kings team is as bad as people think. If they retool around Sabonis, Keegan, Max and a couple of these other guys with a roster that makes a lot more sense, i wouldn’t just assume they’re gonna be in the cellar next season and beyond.
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Doug Christie is coaching the team. Even if all were healthy, he’s not the guy who could pull it together. That guy is in NY.
 
SLAB said:
The man has a pair of 7th and 8th place MVP finishes with a combined 30 points out of the possible 2000 across those two seasons.

The dude is NOT a consistent MVP candidate.
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But Paolo, the least efficient high volume player in basketball. THATS the dude we empty the coffers for.

Some of yall need to be ideologically consistent here. If you hate "empty stats" Domas, then you should despise Paolo
 
SLAB said:
I admittedly get blinded by age and hypothetical upside. It’s why I also love the idea of Kuminga.

There’s simply a chance.
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Fair enough.

I love the Kuminga bet too because of the price it'll take to get him. That's an excellent swing to take and if he burns us, really no harm no foul.

Paolo has 240 mil left on his deal over 5 more years and will cost us Keegan+ all our future draft capital. If youre wrong on him, the team wont recover for a decade.
 
The_Jamal said:
Fair enough.

I love the Kuminga bet too because of the price it'll take to get him. That's an excellent swing to take and if he burns us, really no harm no foul.

Paolo has 240 mil left on his deal over 5 more years and will cost us Keegan+ all our future draft capital. If youre wrong on him, the team wont recover for a decade.
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Keegan’s a giant who cares to me. If he’s the guy to get a younger / higher upside guy, by all means. The draft picks are the scary part, especially this franchise who lives in the cellar.

KM is a 25 year (26 this year) old defensive role player. His offense remains bad. He still can’t shoot. His rookie year was almost assuredly an anomaly. He will never be an All-Star. He is not a pillar or foundational piece. Not to say he wouldn’t be a great 4th/5th guy on a team that’s already good. He’d be great in that role. We are not that. We need so much more than that. So we swing for something risky but with more upside.
 
SLAB said:
Keegan’s a giant who cares to me. If he’s the guy to get a younger / higher upside guy, by all means. The draft picks are the scary part, especially this franchise who lives in the cellar.

KM is a 25 year (26 this year) old defensive role player. His offense remains bad. He still can’t shoot. His rookie year was almost assuredly an anomaly. He will never be an All-Star. He is not a pillar or foundational piece. Not to say he wouldn’t be a great 4th/5th guy on a team that’s already good. He’d be great in that role. We are not that. We need so much more than that. So we swing for something risky but with more upside.
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You can think that about Keegan, but if we put him up for trade on the open market, he'd get at 2 FRP in any deal coming back. Starting caliber wings that can defend multiple positions dont come around very often. Look at the asking price for Herb Jones; theres your Keegan market.

And he can shoot, he proved it at the end of last year in a 44 game sample. I'll take that sample over him hurting his thumb this year, being out for 6 weeks, and trying to find his rhythm again on a horrible team

So again, if we are trading Keegan, id rather just go do that in a rebuild package. I dont want all my eggs in a very shaky Paolo who has not impacted winning
 
The_Jamal said:
Fair enough.

I love the Kuminga bet too because of the price it'll take to get him. That's an excellent swing to take and if he burns us, really no harm no foul.

Paolo has 240 mil left on his deal over 5 more years and will cost us Keegan+ all our future draft capital. If youre wrong on him, the team wont recover for a decade.
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Thing is how wrong can you be this is his floor his floor is still a good player also that contract won’t be so bad when everyone else gets paid.
In this scenario Paolo would be pairs with a top five pick I’m willing to give Keegan and multiple picks at a chance to pair Paolo and one of the top guys.

Paolo is 23 he’s younger then Keegan same age is Kuminga who everyone thinks can get better this is the chance you take to get a franchise player and we’d be doubling down on it by having a top five pick this year
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Thing is how wrong can you be this is his floor his floor is still a good player also that contract won’t be so bad when everyone else gets paid.
In this scenario Paolo would be pairs with a top five pick I’m willing to give Keegan and multiple picks at a chance to pair Paolo and one of the top guys.

Paolo is 23 he’s younger then Keegan same age is Kuminga who everyone thinks can get better this is the chance you take to get a franchise player and we’d be doubling down on it by having a top five pick this year
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He might sorta not be a good player though? At least in his massive USG role he's currently in. His numbers are pretty much in agreement across the board that he's been a bad offensive player the last few years.

And at a 240/5 contract, he better be a top 10-15 guy immediately. Especially when youre probably trading the equivalent of 5-6 FRP in the deal for the right to pay him that
 
The_Jamal said:
He might sorta not be a good player though? At least in his massive USG role he's currently in. His numbers are pretty much in agreement across the board that he's been a bad offensive player the last few years.

And at a 240/5 contract, he better be a top 10-15 guy immediately. Especially when youre probably trading the equivalent of 5-6 FRP in the deal for the right to pay him that
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Just don’t see the downside in it I could care less about the contract Sacramento isn’t getting anyone of worth to sign here or force a trade here. If he stays the same we get a 22-7 second option who still went toe to toe with the best on the playoffs to go along with our top 5 pick this year and a lottery pick next year. Aim high stop waiting for the perfect trade piece that’s not happening
 
SLAB said:
Who do we all take in a hypothetical,

Paolo or our old friend De’Aaron?

I go Paolo 10 times out of 10
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That's not the question.

"Who do you pay 240/5 along with giving up 3-4 FRP, 1-2 pick swaps and Keegan Murray?"

I would not be anti-Paolo if the cost were like Zach LaVine and 2 FRP. That's at the level where you can take on the tremendous risk of his contract and disappointing play.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Just don’t see the downside in it I could care less about the contract Sacramento isn’t getting anyone of worth to sign here or force a trade here. If he stays the same we get a 22-7 second option who still went toe to toe with the best on the playoffs to go along with our top 5 pick this year and a lottery pick next year. Aim high stop waiting for the perfect trade piece that’s not happening
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You don't see the downside in trading all our draft capital, our best current trade asset (Keegan) and 50+ mil/season over the next 5 years for a guy that's been the least efficient scorer in the NBA this year? Huh?

I can't grasp how you're out on Domas, but in on Paolo. It makes no sense, whatsoever.
 
The_Jamal said:
That's not the question.

"Who do you pay 240/5 along with giving up 3-4 FRP, 1-2 pick swaps and Keegan Murray?"

I would not be anti-Paolo if the cost were like Zach LaVine and 2 FRP. That's at the level where you can take on the tremendous risk of his contract and disappointing play.
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What if it was Keegan and 2 firsts. No swaps.
 
SLAB said:
What if it was Keegan and 2 firsts. No swaps.
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My preference would be to go the other way (I.e, trading Keegan for 2 FRP and a rebuild package), but I'd pull the trigger on that. That Paolo contract can potentially become a real anchor, but he's talented enough to where that would make sense and hope he just magically becomes more efficient and takes better shots.
 
Kuminga is a low IQ player with a bad attitude, poor defense, and has an ISO heavy style that isn't conducive to winning. I don't understand the appeal.

I'd trade Monk for him I guess. Maybe throw in a 3rd rounder.
 
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