Quick! Call the Hornets!
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HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Cold you bet... realistic yup. You have to see things form THEIR perspective. Why take a guy who has virtualy no NBA experience over draft picks? I know the fans here are in love with Martin and dont wnat to part with him, and in no way am I suggesting that the Kings SHOULD trade him. But if youy want to assesss a realistic trade value you have to consider not what you think a palyer is or might be worth alone, but what the other guy thinks he is worth as well.VF21 said:
Like I said I like Martin, I have high hopes for him but the bigest reason not to offer him is that his market value is not much more than a draft pick and the KIngs have invested in HIM now.
kgrichwine
Bench
Now that we've seen what Evans can do with quality time, maybe Martin would shine with an opportunity. After the last game, I'm game.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Too late no worries... for the record trading Keven makes NO sense. Keep him feed him, send him to the gym and play him.VF21 said:Oh...
Err...
Hmmm...
I totally misunderstood what you were getting at. Please disregard the nasty PM you should be receiving any second now.
kgrichwine
Bench
I guess I don't understand the premise of this thread. Isn't JJ's contract etched in stone? The Kings would have to pay him all that money the Maloofs balked at before, right?
I wouldn't feel too guilty about misunderstanding HndsmCelt; he didn't exactly make himself the clearest person in the world...VF21 said:
kgrichwine - The premise is that JJ was traded and reports out of Houston (not known if they were reliable or not) were that JJ was balking at going to the Hornets and might actually retire first...
So, with little or no regard for logic or doability
I started the thread. I would truly like to see JJ come back here, but there is most likely little way it could happen for exactly the reason you have stated above.
So, with little or no regard for logic or doability
I started the thread. I would truly like to see JJ come back here, but there is most likely little way it could happen for exactly the reason you have stated above.
kgrichwine
Bench
I'm a liitle slow, Duh!
Oui.
Padrino
All-Star
dont worry bout it, man. good thread. i totally agree with you! (hope i'm not the only one). JJ, at the time the kings signed him, was exactly what the kings needed, and, imo, still need. we have no real backup SF for peja. we havent since we traded hedo (who was an underachiever, as it were). JJ came in and stole his minutes, and rightfully so. he played very well. he may be out of his prime, but he is still a solid backup. he brought the kings a little muscle off the bench. for his height, he's a pretty strong guy. i think he fit in well in the kings offense (and he played a little defense, too), and i honestly believe the biggest mistake that kings management has made in these past seven years was not asking JJ if he wanted to come back. i understand there were money issues, but nobody even asked him. we just let him walk. considering our options at the time, and our thinness on the bench now, i take JJ any day of the week for whatever combination of scrubs and/or draft picks ya can conjur up.VF21 said:kgrichwine - The premise is that JJ was traded and reports out of Houston (not known if they were reliable or not) were that JJ was balking at going to the Hornets and might actually retire first...
So, with little or no regard for logic or doability
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Because of this, I wonder if he'd come back given the chance. Once bitten, twice shy...Padrino said:
And I wouldn't be too surprised that he would refuse to show up for the Hornets. He was available when we called not because nobody wanted him, but that nobody he wanted to play for had shown interest (or so the legend goes).
Alacron
Bench
I think Petrie is going to stand pat with what we've got now, barring another injury. Might be just as well, since I don't see anyone we could pick up that could really help us, at least not without giving up a guy we'd rather have. I'd really only consider trading Daniels of the bunch we have now. His performance didn't even stand out against other borderline NBAers.
I love what Evans is doing, he's a mature 26-year old athletic freak who hustles and can shoot, he looks ready for the big leagues.
Martin is a first round pick, and he was great at times this offseason, exceeding expectations in the summer league. He deserves at least a season with this team to see if he'll fit into our long-term plans. You can't judge a player by his scattered garbage time minutes.
Barnes looks like he will have a nice NBA career. His shot's not quite there yet, but he does a little of everything and the home crowd loves him.
Basically, at this point I'd rather see Evans out there for us than JJackson. It's not like Jackson won us a championship when he was here; he helped us out for a season to the tune of 7.7 ppg. We appreciate it, but now we've gone our separate ways and I think it's for the best.
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I love what Evans is doing, he's a mature 26-year old athletic freak who hustles and can shoot, he looks ready for the big leagues.
Martin is a first round pick, and he was great at times this offseason, exceeding expectations in the summer league. He deserves at least a season with this team to see if he'll fit into our long-term plans. You can't judge a player by his scattered garbage time minutes.
Barnes looks like he will have a nice NBA career. His shot's not quite there yet, but he does a little of everything and the home crowd loves him.
Basically, at this point I'd rather see Evans out there for us than JJackson. It's not like Jackson won us a championship when he was here; he helped us out for a season to the tune of 7.7 ppg. We appreciate it, but now we've gone our separate ways and I think it's for the best.
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LPKingsFan
All-Star
JJ is bigger than Evans or Barnes. When Bobby comes back this would be a solid bench rotation:
Bobby PG/SG
JJ SG/SF
Songaila PF
Tag C
Of couse, getting that rotation is not really possible, given the rules of the CBA. But it is better than our 03 given that Songaila and Tag are better than Keon?
Bobby PG/SG
JJ SG/SF
Songaila PF
Tag C
Of couse, getting that rotation is not really possible, given the rules of the CBA. But it is better than our 03 given that Songaila and Tag are better than Keon?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Are the Hornets under the cap?
Otherwise why is nobody talking about JJs salary?? Looked at this a couple of days ago and to match we would have to give up Darius AND either Evans/Barnes/Martin. Daniels salary + Darius' salary was no enough. Certainly not Daniels or any of the other young guys alone.
Otherwise why is nobody talking about JJs salary?? Looked at this a couple of days ago and to match we would have to give up Darius AND either Evans/Barnes/Martin. Daniels salary + Darius' salary was no enough. Certainly not Daniels or any of the other young guys alone.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
I dont know...you dont think Jimmy has any ill feelings towards management because of the way he was 'let go'?? Business is business...I guess...and maybe Jimmy didnt have any bad feelings towards the Kings...who knows...I hope not...wow, I dont know whats going on with JJ, but if it were to come up that we could get him back...wow! I mean, BIG wow! That would put us right back up there, our bench would be solid once again, and when Bobby gets back, wow!VF21 said:
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
BTW, I should note that JJ is nto quite the same player that left us. He's lost something with age too. Still think he could help if his attitude was right. But the Rockets didn't jsut toss him overbaord for excess productivity.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
But we havent even heard any rumors about whats gonna happen, so I wont even start thinking about this until I do hear something.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Oh, and JJ is still, even at age 34, averaging 40 min. a game, 13pts, 5 rebs, and 3.3 asts. So its not like productivity is down that much.
I was at the Rockets game on Nov. 23. JJ looked really happy to be back in Arco, and exchanged warm greetings with the Kings players. Wouls he like to come back here? My guess would be HELL YES! Especially if it meant he wouldn't have to go to New Orleans...Circa_1985_Fan said:
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