Question would you take for Howard?

AleksandarN

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If we can get him for a package surrounding Cousins, cap space and a unprotected number one pick next year would you do it and would the Magic. This of course mean he have to resign plus we have take one of thier bad contracts(welcome back Hedo).

I would love Tyreke and Howard together. Imagine this line up if we were to resign Daily

Tyreke
Marcus
Hedo
Howard
Daily
 
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This was already asked in a previous thread, but to answer your question, NO! I won't go through my reasons again, but lets just say I'm tired of switching pieces. We have a nice young core and I'd like to see how far it will take us. And, by the way. Tyreke's game for the most part is driving to the basket. Howard's game is in the post, since he has little or no game away from the basket. Cousins ability to play in the high post along with his pasing ability, makes him a better fit next to Tyreke.
 
we could amnesty hedos contract if need be later on since he signed his extension prior to the cba but i still dont like our chances of resigning howard.

Since the melo sign and trade is still allowed thats our best bet here but i doubt howard would agree to come here. We can offer orlando one of the better deals though with the trade built around a real young upcoming talent in cousins.

Watch the lakers though, they'll come to their senses and offer bynum/gasol or both.

But yes were in a good place as we are and this upcoming FA sees us having to spend money to reach the league min which will see us with basically a complete roster aiming to move on up
 
Honestly, I wouldn't understand the point of doing this. You don't just give away young pieces like that, and I don't even care if it's Dwight Howard. Sure he's a great player and he's already proven himself but Cousins is just going into his second year. You don't know his ceiling or how good he can be. You can't just bank on the fact that he's going to be worse than Howard. It's dumb. And like above poster said, Howard would clog the paint. Y

You're not supposed to mess with a young core like the one we currently have. If you really want to get taken seriously, ask again in 3-4 years. It's too early to tell.
 
In my opinion, you trade just about anyone on the team for a player like Howard. He is a legitimate superstar. None of our players compare, nor do I believe they reach that kind of level.
 
That's a horrible starting line up. Not based on talent, but as far as meshing goes that is the dumbest idea I've ever seen. Plus, I'm not a fan of Howard's game. He can kick rocks for all I care. People are vastly overrating Howard and vastly underrating Cousins.
 
maybe if they were willing to take tyreke instead of cousins. cousins/howard combo would work better than a evans/howard combo in my opinion. but i doubt that will ever happen. never trade a big for a small, especially if the big is one of the best centers in the league
 
heck no if rather have cousins... as much as i love howard cousins could be better if he gets his attitude togetha
 
If we can get him for a package surrounding Cousins, cap space and a unprotected number one pick next year would you do it and would the Magic. This of course mean he have to resign plus we have take one of thier bad contracts(welcome back Hedo).

I would love Tyreke and Howard together. Imagine this line up if we were to resign Daily

Tyreke
Marcus
Hedo
Howard
Daily

I want no part of that lineup.

I am imagining that lineup. Also imagining shooting myself in the head to get this image out of my head, which you so kindly put there. Thank you for polluting my thoughts!
 
If we can get him for a package surrounding Cousins, cap space and a unprotected number one pick next year would you do it and would the Magic. This of course mean he have to resign plus we have take one of thier bad contracts(welcome back Hedo).

I would love Tyreke and Howard together. Imagine this line up if we were to resign Daily

Tyreke
Marcus
Hedo
Howard
Daily

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? And lastly, Why?
 
That's a horrible starting line up. Not based on talent, but as far as meshing goes that is the dumbest idea I've ever seen. Plus, I'm not a fan of Howard's game. He can kick rocks for all I care. People are vastly overrating Howard and vastly underrating Cousins.

How the heck am I underating Cousins. Really how is Cousins worth Howard? Plus defensively we are a beast. Shaq and Kobe can mesh offensively(2 dominate players) I am sure evans and Howard can mesh.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't understand the point of doing this. You don't just give away young pieces like that, and I don't even care if it's Dwight Howard. Sure he's a great player and he's already proven himself but Cousins is just going into his second year. You don't know his ceiling or how good he can be. You can't just bank on the fact that he's going to be worse than Howard. It's dumb.

No it's not dumb. Ofcourse you bank on Cousins going to be worse than Howard. Howards is big man to come in the last 20 years. I can not believe how many people are overating cousins.
 
Are you saying Howard is the best big man to come out in 20 years? Your grammar was a little jacked up in that sentence so I'm going to assume that you did say that. I think Shaq('92) and Duncan('97) would like to have a little word with you.
 
The tough thing is, that I can easily, easily see Cousins going 20-10-5 within a couple of years. He may not of course, he's got to beat his own head, but I will actually be disappointed if he doesn't. He already has an offensive feel for the game that Dwight will never be able to touch. Dwight's caught in that Ewing/Mourning track where no matter how prolific it will always be mechanical and a bit of a struggle on that end.

The great unquantifiable is the defense. Unquantifiable becuase it so often gets overlooked, because we don't know where Cousins will end up, and as a not truly giant guy we don't know how much age will start to dim Dwight's dominance in a few years.

If Dwight's out there you have to take a look, you have to ponder. I don't think pairing Daly with him is the way to go. One of the best defensive and rebounding frontcourts ever, but the spacing would be terrible. But in any case, you have to ponder. But the fact of the matter is that in 5 years time I COULD see Cousins being better than Dwight. Not that he will. But he is that talented. He is in many ways one of the truly unique bigs I've seen (or Pete Carril for that matter). So before I could ever pull the trigger I have to be 100% happy with absolutely everything. Dwight has to be happy. He has to be healhy. We have to have a line on complimentary players. With Dwight Reke and Thornton you should be an instant force. But Cousins has the potential to challenge Dwight for that top center spot within a few years, and 5,6,7 years down the line to flat pass him as age catches up in one case, and Cousins emerges into his prime on the other. If I'm going to give away a truly unique player who could be dominating his position for 15 years, you've got to pretty much guarantee me multiple title runs with the guy I get instead. Anything less and I stand put.
 
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The tough thing is, that I can easily, easily see Cousins going 20-10-5 within a couple of years. He may not of course, he's got to beat his own head, but I will actually be disappointed if he doesn't. He already has an offensive feel for the game that Dwight will never be able to touch. Dwight's caught in that Ewing/Mourning track where no matter how prolific it will always be mechanical and a bit of a struggle on that end.

The great unquantifiable is the defense. Unquantifiable becuase it so often gets overlooked, because we don't know where Cousins will end up, and as a not truly giant guy we don't know how much age will start to dim Dwight's dominance in a few years.

If Dwight's out there you have to take a look, you have to ponder. I don't think pairing Daly with him is the way to go. One of the best defensive and rebounding frontcourts ever, but the spacing would be terrible. But in any case, you have to ponder. But the fact of the matter is that in 5 years time I COULD see Cousins being better than Dwight. Not that he will. But he is that talented. He is in many ways one of the truly unique bigs I've seen (or Pete Carril for that matter). So before I could ever pull the trigger I have to be 100% happy with absolutely everything. Dwight has to be happy. He has to be healhy. We have to have a line on complimentary players. With Dwight Reke and Thornton you should be an instant force. But Cousins has the potential to challenge Dwight for that top center spot within a few years, and 5,6,7 years down the line to flat pass him as age catches up in one case, and Cousins emerges into his prime on the other. If I'm goign to give away a truly unique player who could be domianting his position for 15 years, you've got to pretty much guarantee me multiple title runs with the guy I get instead. Anything less and I stand put.

Ditto! I couldn't have said it better.
 
Are you saying Howard is the best big man to come out in 20 years? Your grammar was a little jacked up in that sentence so I'm going to assume that you did say that. I think Shaq('92) and Duncan('97) would like to have a little word with you.



Sorry meant one of the best. I was texting on my phone while working sorry for the grammar
 
Dalembert/Howard pair doesn't seem like a good option on offense. They would be blocking a lot of shot but unless goal tending violation is removed in the NBA, this pair ain't gonna work.
 
How the heck am I underating Cousins. Really how is Cousins worth Howard? Plus defensively we are a beast. Shaq and Kobe can mesh offensively(2 dominate players) I am sure evans and Howard can mesh.

Comparing the offensive skills of Shaq and Kobe (at their time of pairing) with that of Tyreke and Howard now speaks for itself. You may have a slight case for Tyreke and Kobe, other than the glaring difference that Tyreke's shot is far worse than kobe's was. As for Shaq and Howard ... ughh not even close.

You are right about the defensive part though.
 
Twenty-three points on fifty-nine percent shooting and thirteen shots, and you're saying the guy can't score?
 
Twenty-three points on fifty-nine percent shooting and thirteen shots, and you're saying the guy can't score?

We're saying that his game at this point is mostly predicated on the fact that he is a genetic freak with rocket boosters for legs and mini-atomic subs for arms. In a few years when age catches up to him and the subs have sprung a leak and the rocket boosters are out of fuel, there is no guarantee that he's going to have that degree of success anymore. Additionally, he and Sammy D would clog the lane for Reke and generally turn our offense into a muddy quagmire.
 
Twenty-three points on fifty-nine percent shooting and thirteen shots, and you're saying the guy can't score?

I at least am sayign what everybody alreayd knows -- it doesn;t flow. He never has had and never will have great offensive instincts. Yes, if you can get him to the spots oint eh floor where he has put in tons of work he can give you several quite effective post moves adn score. He can dunk of cours, and slip for alley oops. But he'll never have a natural free flowing feel for offense, the ability to score or create from anyplace on the floor, to instinctively know how a teammate is going to cut, to make something up along the way. It doesn't take away from him being the premiere low post guy right now, but its all on effort rather than talent/instincts, and it will probably never be part of a big scoring unit.
 
I at least am sayign what everybody alreayd knows -- it doesn;t flow. He never has had and never will have great offensive instincts. Yes, if you can get him to the spots oint eh floor where he has put in tons of work he can give you several quite effective post moves adn score. He can dunk of cours, and slip for alley oops. But he'll never have a natural free flowing feel for offense, the ability to score or create from anyplace on the floor, to instinctively know how a teammate is going to cut, to make something up along the way. It doesn't take away from him being the premiere low post guy right now, but its all on effort rather than talent/instincts, and it will probably never be part of a big scoring unit.

I don't think anyone is saying that Howard can't score the ball. His stats certainly prove he can. The discussion is more about the type of offensive player he is, and how he fits with the current Kings team. Howard's game is the type of game that gets better when he's paired with a good PG. He's a post player, and if your in the post, your game is predicated on getting the ball at the right place and time. Hell if he was paired with Steve Nash, he'd probably score 40 pts a game.

Evans isn't that kind of PG, and a large part of Evans scoring comes from driving to the basket. If you going to drive to the basket, you want your center to pull the opposing center out away from the basket. The problem is, not many opposing centers are going to follow Howard away from the basket. They're more than content to let him shoot from out there. I'm not saying you couldn't make it work. I'm saying that Cousins is the type of center that fits better. Even Dally can shoot well enough to keep the defense honest.
 
As much as I like Cousins, Dwight Howard is one of the handful of players that I think you pretty much have to take even if it means losing Cousins. Cousins has great potential but Howard is great potential already fulfilled. He's the most dominant post Shaq center without question and he's just entering his prime. With Dwight Howard you're an instant playoff team and an easy contender for many years with the right pieces around him. Of course, to do this I would need Howard to sign AT LEAST a five year extension.

As for Dalembert, I don’t see why you need him if you’ve got Dwight Howard as he’s basically an aging poor man’s Dwight Howard. Why hang on to that when you’ve got th real thing.

It makes more sense to me to put Hickson at PF.

C - Howard
PF - Hickson
SF - Salmons
SG - Thornton/Jimmer
PG - Evans/Jimmer
 
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Howard can make most teams playoff contenders.

Assuming the team doesn't require a center who can shoot from distance and pass, of course. My point is that Cousins has so many different skills, he can fit with any collection of players. You can't say that of Howard.
 
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