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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
G_M said:
#a there is a ? depending on who we are tied with (if Houston is involved, not good. If Memphis = very good.
#b would be very very bad -- anybody else seen that scary number? Against the West we are barely .500 this year. Ugh!
captain bill
All-Star
the universe would implode
captain bill
All-Star
sorry, i couldnt resist, but i assume you meant every team in the nba being 41-41, which is pretty absurd.
if they run out of tie-breakers, they would just do a coin-toss between the two teams to see who gets the higher seed.
if they run out of tie-breakers, they would just do a coin-toss between the two teams to see who gets the higher seed.
bdouble013
Bench
How about an eating contest? Each team would send a representative and the representative that ate the most hot dogs in a minute would get the top seed. They would then redo the contest over and over again, assigning seeds for each heat. Perhaps the teams could even rotate out representatives to let them "prepare" for the next heat. 
bdouble013
Bench
Can I get some pine needle slippers VF? Oooo, wait..pine needle underwear! For those friends and family members you just can't stand.
gotpitbull
G-League
bdouble013 said:How about an eating contest? Each team would send a representative and the representative that ate the most hot dogs in a minute would get the top seed. They would then redo the contest over and over again, assigning seeds for each heat. Perhaps the teams could even rotate out representatives to let them "prepare" for the next heat.
Send in 'Tag...
GoGoGadget
All-Star
The idea of watching a basketball game played by someone with a belly full of hot dogs is....not pleasant.
bdouble013
Bench
Well Tag doesn't play, so it wouldn't be that bad for us to watch. 
Kajun
G-League
You'd have to think first how such a .500 record for every team is attained.
There are basically two situations of possible:
1. Each team wins all their home matches, and lose all their away matches. The most simple one, and obvious one.
2. A case where (1) does not satisfy. Clearly, this could be very difficult to find without using a possibly complex mathematical algorithm, and I'm not even sure such a solution exists. But if not all teams win their home matches, it is pretty certain that one of the tiebreakers (most likely c and d) will hold for this case. Simply because the NBA has an uneven schedule (30 teams, 82 games...'each team plays other teams an equal amount of times' does not hold). No worries there.
So let's get back to case (1). Tiebreakers b-e will have no influence here. Let me illustrate this with an example, the schedule for the Kings (who else?):
- 2 (home and away -- W and L respectively) matches against each Eastern Conference Team: 2x15 = 30 matches
- 52 matches left, to divide amongst 14 Western Conference Teams. Clearly, not every Western Conference Team is played twice. This year, with Charlotte entering the NBA, and the Divisions being shuffled, there's just a simple solution for this (though last year's was actually not much different). The Kings play their own division opponents 4 times (two home, two away), and play other division opponents 4 times EXCEPT for two teams in each other division. In Kings' example, vs Denver (2H,1A) and Utah (1H,2A) in the Northwest, and Memphis (2H,1A) and New Orleans (1H, 2A) in the Southwest. So if Kings win all their home, and lose all their away matches, it would have an equal record in the division, and also, conference.
The same principle holds for all opponents -- two opponents played 3 times in each other (same conference) division, but ultimately the same amount Home matches as Away matches (naturally, anything other than 41H, 41A would be unfair. Not that not playing each team the same amount of times is, but...).
So you can guess b, c and d don't hold here, not to speak about e, because playoff opponents can't even be determined.
The playoff tiebreaker would be f, the point differentials between offense and defense. Unless you would be implying that that one would be equal for each team as well (which would be even less likely to happen, compared to each team going .500), well then...I've been typing this for nothing
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Kajun said:The playoff tiebreaker would be f, the point differentials between offense and defense. Unless you would be implying that that one would be equal for each team as well (which would be even less likely to happen, compared to each team going .500), well then...I've been typing this for nothing
ROFLOL!! Thanks for starting my day off with a good laugh, Kajun.
doone
Bench
Oh hmmm...I didn't notice that the first time I read it.
Then for the sake of discussion Kajun, assuming that every team won their games by 1 and lost their games by one, what do you suppose would happen? Other than maybe David Stern begging for someone to lop his head right off so that he wouldn't have to deal with this mess.
Then for the sake of discussion Kajun, assuming that every team won their games by 1 and lost their games by one, what do you suppose would happen? Other than maybe David Stern begging for someone to lop his head right off so that he wouldn't have to deal with this mess.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
doone said:
Since I'm reasonably sure that statistically there is a far greater chance of us being wiped out by a giant planet-killing asteroid, shouldn't we be discussing evacuation plans before we get around to 10th level tie-breakers?
piksi
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:Since I'm reasonably sure that statistically there is a far greater chance of us being wiped out by a giant planet-killing asteroid, shouldn't we be discussing evacuation plans before we get around to 10th level tie-breakers?
There is even grater chance of Lakers making PO this season
Kajun
G-League
doone said:
Well, Bricklayer is right. Since the chance of an asteroid hitting earth and wiping out humanity is statistically more significant (latest one says a 1 in 300 chance that an asteroid will hit Earth in 2029. Yikes. But scientists have been consistently wrong though, it's hard to predict speeds, angles and the trajectories. They continually adjust their estimates.), it might be a waste of time
But, really, I don't know. An educated guess would be they would use another kind of stat that measures in-game performance or attractiveness of the game. A bit like they use as tiebreakers in other sports, like soccer.
Probably would look like this, in this order:
f. Best point differential between offense and defense.g. Most points scored (so, when tied on f, an 8200-8000 team would get the nod over a 8000-7800 team).
h. Best FG% differential between offense and defense.
i. Best FG% for offense.
j. Best Rebound differential between offense and defense.
k. Most Rebounds.
etc etc
All the way up to Best Team Efficiency Rating (using that crappy formula they have on nba.com, for players : PER). If the order of tiebreakers seems arbitrary, well, it is. A case can be made for f to i (better play, more attractive play), but after that, it's like a crapshoot.
If that still isn't enough (chance in [insert number with more digits than you will ever be able to count]), then Mr. Stern can pick his favourite teams, the ones whichever he thinks will draw the most attention to the game. Or the teams that can offer him the most bribe.
bdouble013
Bench
Nash might give him a run for his money qd.
Kajun, put down the keyboard and walk away slowly.
Kajun, put down the keyboard and walk away slowly.
fakie
Bench
Kajun said:Well, Bricklayer is right. Since the chance of an asteroid hitting earth and wiping out humanity is statistically more significant (latest one says a 1 in 300 chance that an asteroid will hit Earth in 2029. Yikes. But scientists have been consistently wrong though, it's hard to predict speeds, angles and the trajectories. They continually adjust their estimates.), it might be a waste of time
But, really, I don't know. An educated guess would be they would use another kind of stat that measures in-game performance or attractiveness of the game. A bit like they use as tiebreakers in other sports, like soccer.
Probably would look like this, in this order:
f. Best point differential between offense and defense.g. Most points scored (so, when tied on f, an 8200-8000 team would get the nod over a 8000-7800 team).
h. Best FG% differential between offense and defense.
i. Best FG% for offense.
j. Best Rebound differential between offense and defense.
k. Most Rebounds.
etc etc
All the way up to Best Team Efficiency Rating (using that crappy formula they have on nba.com, for players : PER). If the order of tiebreakers seems arbitrary, well, it is. A case can be made for f to i (better play, more attractive play), but after that, it's like a crapshoot.
If that still isn't enough (chance in [insert number with more digits than you will ever be able to count]), then Mr. Stern can pick his favourite teams, the ones whichever he thinks will draw the most attention to the game. Or the teams that can offer him the most bribe.
what are the odds of that actually happening?
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