Iced Espresso
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Look at that even big Frank pressuring the ball.
[Game] Preseason Game 4: Kings vs. Warriors, 12/17/2020, 6:00pm PST, 9:00pm EST
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SLAB
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I nominate Frank.
Iced Espresso
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The only problem there is Frank may be able to play with Bagley at times to extend the floor, think it's important we give Bagley lots of burn this year.
Ramsey? I think we gave him a 2 year deal, he was one of the youngest players in the draft and is supposed to project to be a shooting specialist. Probably a guy worth developing as trade bait if nothing else.
upinsmoke
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I haven't seen him do jack.
Iced Espresso
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Lol refs didn't call that foul on James want to go home.
I've only gotten to watch from the last part of the 3rd quarter, kiddo's christmas sing-a-long was on... but if we have to cut one person, it's gotta be GRIII right?
SacTownKid
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What defense? You're forgetting a key point here. If the alternative was resulting in top notch results maybe you blink.
upinsmoke
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Hes bad. It's going to be a long season if some of these guys get serious mins.
SacTownKid
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Hahaha, prepare yourself you darn well know we'll see plenty of GR3 and Cojo in that first game.
DesertFox
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If they trade Belly maybe. Frank is a poor man's Belly, and despite 2 inches is a worse rebounder and shot blocker. Size isn't everything.
SacTownKid
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Do the Kings have to cut someone? If so, James goes bye bye. There's little upside for a near 24 year old SG that doesn't shoot. Overseas young fella. They'll love you for your defense. Get that shot down and see if you can come back in a few years.
Rsmsey and Woodard are development projects for the G League right now. Neither one looks like they're ready for minutes. Frank is solid but he's redundant with Bjelica. Whiteside and Bagley should get the majority of the frontcourt minutes. I'm not giving up on Holmes yet but Metu has looked very good defensively in pre-season. I'd like to see him crack the rotation. I hope Kyle Guy takes CoJo's minutes. The only real question mark for me is who gets the backup minutes at SF. I guess Robinson but I'm not thrilled about any of our backup wings so far.
SacTownKid
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Preseason grade: N/A. They didn't look great but this team is in one of the most awkward positions coaching wise since Karl/Cuz. And it's going about like you'd expect. The coach is either clearly not on the same page as his GM, or his GM doesn't know who his coach is. Well, he should by now.
SacTownKid
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I think Woodard could be. Ramsey defensively could be but he's definitely the upside type. Right now neither will be used remotely effectively in these lineups with this style. Woodard at the 4 was not bad at all when he got some burn before disappearing for some reason in favor of Justin James.
We may not be there this year but it feels like Monte places more value on defense than some of his predecessors.
I'll tell you what, we may not have quite enough juice to get that 8 seed this year which would put us in awkward late lottery land yet again but if we keep playing defense like we did today I'll watch every game I can and enjoy the ride regardless of results. Those guys were getting after it on the perimeter and that made me proud to be a Kings fan. Also, Haliburton looks really good on both ends. That was a great pickup for Monte's first draft.
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SacTownKid
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We shall see. Monte has to be really careful, if things head south quickly he has to be ahead of the revolt. That pain was already well seeded prior to his arrival and crescendoed last year in the bubble. Giving a lame duck coach who was already losing his locker room a chance against all odds is what it is, but once that daylight to make the change is gone, that possible infusion of energy via change will be too.
I missed the second Portland game and the first half of Game 3 but I didn't see Woodard contribute much when I was watching. He's got an easy path to a rotation spot if he wants it but I don't think it would be a bad idea to get him some more game experience in the G League the first half of the season at least. Plus he can build some on the court chemistry with Ramsey that way. I'm still high on him but sporadic minutes off the bench and occasional garbage time probably isn't the best for his development.
SacTownKid
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Well, I'm talking this year. Unless this team is winning at a playoff clip then you capitalize on your investments even if only to flip them later. Putting a number 2 pick already having to fight the uphill battle of you didn't pick Luka in a position to fail is the type of thing that sets your franchise back in a big way. If you can't throw out a better alternative with better results then you pick the smart path.
He's a second round pick that some folks had as a late first rounder; on short camp, no Summer League. I would hate it if the flip side of Halliburton looking NBA ready is that we wrote off Ramsey (I don't think we will, and he looked terrible on Tuesday).
Iced Espresso
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They've been using Buddy some at the SF, he hasn't gotten killed either. I'm not sure how often he can pull it off, but I think he's going to play some there like Bogi used to do.
So yeah having him try to defend inside and getting eaten up by teams that can play large is better than letting him chase on the perimeter where at least if he is healthy he has his athletic skills to compensate? It's not like we don't have a handful of beefy guys who are harder to push around that can be "the center".
When playing three guards if we've got Barnes at the 4 then yeah, hopefully Bags can defend at the 5 spot, but if we're doing that, we're hopefully playing offense at the level that forces the other team to adjust to our lineup.
Iced Espresso
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That press/trap in preseason was really nice to see. They probably won't do it as much in the regular season, but the young guys are scrappy. Something I'm looking forward of seeing.
SacTownKid
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Woodard played good defense on the interior at PF. He challenged a ton on the inside on help and he altered shots. Honestly, I'm not sure what they expect out of Woodard but I'm not sure how much the G-league would help him. He doesn't need to develop physically. His ball handling is a little iffy but again, not really something that will probably improve in the G-league. I see him as a 3/4 combo role player at his ceiling anyway. Ramsey can get a lot out of the G-league however since ideally he's a combo guard so running offense will help him.
Sactown ExPat
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With Vivek, the GM only gets one chance to make a coaching change, if the GM even gets to hire his own coach at all. Monte needs to keep his powder dry until the person he really wants is available. If Monte makes a mid-season move he’ll end up with Gentry as the interim and could very easily be put in a situation where he is forced to extend Gentry. It’s very possible that is not his desired outcome. I would certainly caution against any mid-season change if Monte is not 100% certain he would be OK with Gentry in the long-term.
Yeah, I can see it. I think it's asking for trouble against a lot of teams but if the idea is to get your best players on the floor as much as possible, that's one way to open up more opportunities for Haliburton while making sure he has multiple shooters to pass out to.
SacTownKid
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This is the same argument we've heard. He HAS played center and who really ate him up even without the body he has now? And the scale slides both ways. They have to guard him on the other end. Look, Bam just started his way to a finals appearance and he far from ate up Marvin. Bagley's an offense talent first and foremost, he wasn't drafted to be the next Bill Russell and right now in these lineups he isn't getting any space to perform. That's the issue they need to be concerned about right now.
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