predictions on new starting line up

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Lack of consistant shooting (except for Cousins), lack of Rebounding (except for Cousins), and lack of defense from most perimeter players seems to be our team's problems. Changing the lineup can help somewhat in some cases, but the fix is not going to come this year. The partial fix will come when the players start playing their butts off and buy into the coach's system. The total fix will take several years for us to get much more talented players through the draft or trades. Until then, I'll be grateful for just little steps forward. And isn't one of our coaches supposed to be a talented "shooting" coach? Perhaps he needs some after-practice with the under achievers to help motivate them.
 
HereWeVivek said:
Grant Napear said on his show today that he is almost certain changes will be made at the SG and SF before wednesday, and that he is unsure on the PF position, and he thinks PG will stay the same.

he said he's not sure who will start at SG and SF but if he had to guess it would be Luc at SF, and Jimmer or Ben at SG but most likely Ben
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LOL. A lot of us around here have said the exact same thing...
 
Dime Dropper said:
Um, what?
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#54 Patrick Patterson
Forward/Center
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
NBA Experience: 3

NBA CAREER HIGHLIGHTS:

Entering the 2012-13 season, averaging 7.1 ppg (.481 FG%, 0-5 3pt, .707 FT%), 4.2 rpg, 0.8 apg, and 20.3 mpg in 116 career games (started 7) with Houston (2010-11 - 2011-12) ... Owns five career double-doubles (4 in 2010-11 and 1 in 2011-12) ... Also played with Houston�s single-affiliation NBA D-League partner the Rio Grande Valley Vipers (2010-11), averaging 18.3 ppg (.555 FG%, .143 3pt%, .750 FT%), 10.3 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.6 bpg, and 35.0 mpg in starting all nine games he played in.
 
You need to get more current stats. Those are over a year old. Patterson hit 51 threes in 2012-2013 and has 4 already for this season.
 
Livinthedream said:
If Lillard had better games against the Kings, I believe we would have seen McCallum. PGs have just been doing as they please against us and I'm sure that's why Ray got activated. I believe we see him in short spurts in the near future, ready or not. We almost have no choice because he's the only one that can be an effective defender at that position.
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Thats's only because they would have been 20+ point blow outs.
 
LOL I found this on the bleacher report power rankings

DeMarcus Cousins is averaging 23.5 points, 9.7 rebounds, 2.2 steals and 1.2 blocks per game while inching toward 50 percent shooting—the Mendoza Line for centers. Isaiah Thomas is the league's highest-scoring sixth man at 18 points per game and continues making progress for the hight-challenged everywhere.
Aaaaand then there's everyone else. Beyond Ben McLemore, who has been fine but forgettable, you'd be better off shielding your eyes than watching the other Kings. Marcus Thornton's X button is broken on his mental Xbox controller. Greivis Vasquez has gotten some bad luck with his teammates' inability to hit shots, but hasn't been great shakes, either. Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson have probably forced Kings fans to create calendars counting down the timeframe for Carl Landry's return.
At least they have Wiggins vs. Parker I to look forward to on Tuesday.
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mac said:
Then he should be asking himself or asking the coach why it is that he's somehow always the backup plan. Why we go and sign Carl Landry a year after resigning Jason Thompson.
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That is a very good question. I have a feeling Landry was a temp solution to start opposite cousins, with him moving to the bench later in his contract as the team hopefully gets more talented.

There may also have been the hope of trading JT at some point. He's a solid backup pf. He'd even start on some good teams that just need a solid, not spectacular presence.

But I dunno. I think most of us see Landry as a bench guy. I'm not sure we know yet how the FO sees him. We know cuz plus Landry didn't work the first time. But cuz then vs cuz now is different. And that's officially as close as you'll ever see me talking myself into the Landry signing. :)

We also know ppat or JT aren't exactly superstar PFs either. And Hayes.
sactownfan said:
honestly i think MT's massive meltdown might have been last seasons frustrations hadn't left his mind… plus... He was probably expecting change and an opportunity to GET BACK to his career highs. Instead he watched us draft BEN... HIS REPLACEMENT, and was given DNP's in the preseason. I think that was the final straw for MT. He's done here
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He's playing himself out of the league right now. Who wants a guy that gets what he wanted, a starting job, which he didn't earn, and then pouts his way through it and doesn't perform?
 
We currently have 5 rotational players with negative Win shares, Negative WS/48 and PER's that are below 10. Obviously, that is no bueno.

I'd do something along these lines:

PG: Vasquez
SG: McLemore
SF: Mbah
PF: JT
C: Cousins

6th: IT
7th: Outlaw
8th: Ppat
9th: Jimmer/Ray

Everyone else: Keep the bench nice and toasty.
 
Malone seems to be treading lightly around his stated intent of changing the lineup. He may not do as Michael as I had previously assumed. He will certainly change two of the starters because he doesn't 't want the onus falling on any one player. Three? Dunno .... maybe. If he changes just two it sounds like the 2 and 3 spots. One more day and I won't have to guess any more.
 
I am going to throw in my prediction since the game is tonight..

PG - Vasquez
SG - Jimmer (I prefer MLM)
SF - Luc
PF - JT
C - Cousins

MLM will probably have more minutes than Jimmer at the end of the game but Jimmer will start.
 
Gary said:
I am going to throw in my prediction since the game is tonight..

PG - Vasquez
SG - Jimmer (I prefer MLM)
SF - Luc
PF - JT
C - Cousins

MLM will probably have more minutes than Jimmer at the end of the game but Jimmer will start.
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I hope this is right. I'm predicting MLM will get the start, with JT off the bench, but would actually prefer the scenario you outlined above.
 
Jimmer won't start IMO. It'll be GV/Ben/Luc or Outlaw/Thompson/Cousins. I wouldn't be surprised if PPat still starts however. Malone basically let slip that McLemore will be starting in an interview after practice - said something along the lines of "that's why he's been coming off the bench until now, to give him confidence." He kind of tried to take it back if memory serves, but I think Thornton has been relegated to the bench, and Jimmer obviously isn't good enough to start.
 
PG - Vasquez
SG - McLemore
SF - Outlaw
PF - Thompson
C - Cousins

I think it makes sense to have Outlaw paired with Thompson and Moute paired with Patterson off the bench. Outlaw and Thompson are both pretty good outside shooters while Moute is a poor shooter and Patterson is an exceptional shooting PF. I think spacing with these SF/PF pairings will be much better and more consistent rather than throwing out a Moute/Thompson pairing.
 
Dime Dropper said:
Jimmer won't start IMO. It'll be GV/Ben/Luc or Outlaw/Thompson/Cousins. I wouldn't be surprised if PPat still starts however. Malone basically let slip that McLemore will be starting in an interview after practice - said something along the lines of "that's why he's been coming off the bench until now, to give him confidence." He kind of tried to take it back if memory serves, but I think Thornton has been relegated to the bench, and Jimmer obviously isn't good enough to start.
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I think it is possible Jimmer starts. I hope it is Ben though. Not sure where Malone stands on rookies starting/playtime. Would be funny if he started Jimmer and made most of us angry kind of how Detroit did with Drummond last year!
 
spudfan said:
I think it is possible Jimmer starts. I hope it is Ben though. Not sure where Malone stands on rookies starting/playtime. Would be funny if he started Jimmer and made most of us angry kind of how Detroit did with Drummond last year!
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i know jimmerfans are quick to trot out the snark, claiming that fredette is certainly a more capable defender than marcus thornton (i don't necessarily disagree, given thornton's pathetic effort so far this season), but i simply cannot fathom the notion that coach malone will start the tremendously unathletic pairing of vasquez/fredette. it's nigh unthinkable in the contemporary nba. damn near every team in the league has enough quickness in their respective backcourts to shred vasquez/fredette into confetti...

ben mclemore may be raw in many respects, and he will struggle to make strides on the defensive side of the ball, but he's got the physical tools to become a capable defender, and his length and quickness will matter against a great many opponents, especially if the alternative is to start jimmer fredette alongside greivis vasquez. malone would clearly prefer to bring mclemore along slowly in a bench role, but i'm not sure he has much of a choice. i'd expose mclemore to the fire, and help him find his way on defense against a league that's less talented at SG than it has been in a long time...
 
my prediction is that Ben starts, but is the first guy on the bench.
IT may slide in for him, (start at SG for a few minutes) and then Jimmer comes in for GV (and moves to SG).

Or.... same scenario above, but it's MT instead of Jimmer, and if MT doesn't play well Jimmer gets his 2nd half minutes.
 
Not saying it will happen, but what if Malone keeps McLemore on the bench and slides Salmons to SG? I would chuckle knowing that we found some way to keep Salmons in the lineup, but it would give McLemore more time coming off the bench and nurture him as he acclimates to the NBA. Plus I read somewhere that Salmons and Vasquez addressed their team after their poor performance so maybe Malone is still holding out hope for Salmons (God I hope not). Playing the devil's advocate, SG is Salmons' natural position. With his above average size and length for the position, you would think he would be more effective (most likely not). Anyways, in no way, shape, or form do I want Salmons in the lineup, but I thought I would bring it up as a possibility.

PG - Vasquez/Thomas/Fredette/McCallum
SG - Salmons/McLemore/Thornton
SF - Outlaw/Moute
PF - Thompson/Patterson/Landry
C - Cousins/Hayes/Ndiaye
 
twslam07 said:
Not saying it will happen, but what if Malone keeps McLemore on the bench and slides Salmons to SG? I would chuckle knowing that we found some way to keep Salmons in the lineup, but it would give McLemore more time coming off the bench and nurture him as he acclimates to the NBA. Plus I read somewhere that Salmons and Vasquez addressed their team after their poor performance so maybe Malone is still holding out hope for Salmons (God I hope not). Playing the devil's advocate, SG is Salmons' natural position. With his above average size and length for the position, you would think he would be more effective (most likely not). Anyways, in no way, shape, or form do I want Salmons in the lineup, but I thought I would bring it up as a possibility.

PG - Vasquez/Thomas/Fredette/McCallum
SG - Salmons/McLemore/Thornton
SF - Outlaw/Moute
PF - Thompson/Patterson/Landry
C - Cousins/Hayes/Ndiaye
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Salmons at SG would not have supporters (other than me.) If Malone wants to hold back on McLemore it would not be a bad way to go. It won't happen for a lot of other reasons - they won't and can't afford to push Thornton that far back - Mbah a Moute would have to be in shape to start or be primary backup at the three - not likely to happen.
 
The one guy that I really think has 100% bought into what Coach wants is Outlaw. I think he needs to start. If you're trying to get your starting unit to give you what you want why not add a guy to the starting unit that's already giving you what you want? He's even playing well. Its my predicition that we'll see Cousins/Thompson/Outlaw/Mclemore/Vasquez tonight. I would use Ndyae/Mbah a moute/Thornton/Thomas as my subs.

Regarding the starters and our current rebounding troubles; if we send Outlaw+Mclemore to the glass and just tell Vasquez to box out there shouldn't by any way for us to get dominated on the boards. Continue to preach defense but fix the rebounding asap.
 
Chupacabra said:
The one guy that I really think has 100% bought into what Coach wants is Outlaw. I think he needs to start. If you're trying to get your starting unit to give you what you want why not add a guy to the starting unit that's already giving you what you want? He's even playing well. Its my predicition that we'll see Cousins/Thompson/Outlaw/Mclemore/Vasquez tonight. I would use Ndyae/Mbah a moute/Thornton/Thomas as my subs.

Regarding the starters and our current rebounding troubles; if we send Outlaw+Mclemore to the glass and just tell Vasquez to box out there shouldn't by any way for us to get dominated on the boards. Continue to preach defense but fix the rebounding asap.
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Your lineup except Salmons for McLemore.
 
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