Predict the WC & EC Standings

TheJoker

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Eastern Conference:

1. Miami - 56 wins
2. Chicago 53 wins
3. NJ - 49 wins ( division winner )
4. Cavs - 52 wins
5. Pistons - 50 wins
6. Pacers - 48 wins
7. Wizards - 47 wins
8. Bucks - 45 wins

Western Conference:

1. Suns - 63 wins
2. Spurs - 59 wins
3. Mavs - 56 wins
4. Nuggets - 48 wins ( division winner )
5. Houston - 51 wins
6. Clippers - 49 wins
7. Lakers - 47 wins
8. Kings - 46 wins

Alot of people might be upset because i have Kings at #8 but i just don't think we will be good enough but we'll be good enough to a grab a playoff spot.

 
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West (pieced together from past various posts):

Here's how I see the 8 spots right now...:

1. Mavs
2. Spurs
3. Suns
4. T-Wolves (division win)
5. Clippers
6. Kings
7. Hornets
8. Dog-fight: Lakers/Nuggs/Grizzlies, etc.

Grizzlies - Lessened some, and won't have Gasol for 1-2 months or so, but I think will be in the low playoff picture. I think they'll be better than an average team. Up in the air if they make the playoffs, as it'll be a dog-fight like always down around 8/9/10/11 scene.

Spurs - Will get at least mid-50 wins as usual. Losing Rasho/Nazr and replacing them with Elson/Butler is pretty much a wash to me. Getting Eric Williams and Jacque Vaughn gives them a couple more tough team-playing veterans off the bench. Addressed youth a bit by getting Butler, didn't get that athletic swingman though.

Kings - I believe will be significantly better than last season with the overall new direction and environment. Which has steadily come on, and will only continue. I think Kings will be a middle seed (5/6).

Suns - How good they'll be will all depend on Amare's form. Nash is a possible concern, and Kurt Thomas' health and performance is another thing to look at.

If Amare is back like his 04-05 form, Suns and Dallas will compete for the #1 seed in the west. If not? Probably a 3rd seed team with a good chance to win the division.

Even with Amare good, I'm still not sure if they're a serious threat for the NBA finals because of defense and size. Dallas/San Antonio/LA Clippers/healthy Houston, have a significant edge there, and one of them will be waiting in the WCF. I'd put any one of those four to win against Phoenix.

I really like they got Banks, he should be a solid back-up for Nash, and add defense. Getting Jumaine Jones is also a fine addition for depth, and fits Suns style.

Nuggies - I'm going with Diawara to win the starting SG spot because of his defense and versatility there, as well as being less offensive minded. I think you'd get a much better chance to balance and compliment the overall starting five with Diawara. JR Smith I don't think is as mature as Diawara is yet, and is still somewhat of a project. Also with Miller/Smith/Carmelo, you'd have little defense from the 1-3 spots. Karl supposedly really likes him. I like the sound of him as well. Kleiza could also start at the two, supposedly...

Aside from their likely handful of injuries, the Nuggets still don't really have legit long-range shooting, aside from Joe Smith. Carmelo's good, but streaky. But with Smith, his spot in the rotation is uncertain, and is a possible trading piece. I would think Reggie Evans is mostly going to be ahead of him. Also, Smith is just one guy, and while he's a good shooter inside the arc, he isn't a 3PT shooter.

JR Smith isn't a reliable shooter yet, and doesn't have that starting spot guaranteed (which he needs in order to have the best situation to develop) quite yet, with the rumors and rumblings of Nuggies wanting to get a more proven/experienced shooting guard. I'm not sure if he can be a consistent shooter, or if he'll be another streaky/average jump shooter.

They had all off-season to gather up a couple players known for their shooting, which there were plenty of to fit in as role/bench players. KVH is actually still out there (more of an SF), but think he's out of the picture now for them.

Another season for Carmelo/Miller/front-court depth/JR Smith possibly turning out - will keep them in the mix of things (playoff picture).

Clippers - Jumped on their band-wagon at the start of last season, and plan to stay on. They're a fun team, and don't see them going back to their old times for awhile.

Clips will be a quality team again. Livingston will improve and build on last season, ditto Kaman. Adding Tim Thomas in place of Vlad could be pretty good. Getting Aaron Williams is a decent addition as a veteran big. Maggette staying healthy is a concern though, also is in trade rumors lately. Cassell getting another year older and going through another season is somewhat of a concern, even if he was fine for most of last season. Quinton Ross has proved to be a good find by Dunleavy.

Rockets - Rockets are a legit threat and possibly contenders (even if they didn't have Bonzi, still consideration) if they stay healthy and get solid chemistry. That's what I think determines the aforementioned, or a playoff picture team, making it as a 7/8 seed.

While the Rockets getting Bonzi gives them a legit 3rd option, it also gives the Rockets another injury concern (T-Mac, maybe Yao (lesser degree though, Bonzi, 1 or 2 others). Having an average and partly young bench doesn't help, in depth.

SONICS - they'll be a little better than last season because of having Wilcox/Watson for a full season, and Petro/Swift likely improving a bit. Other than having Watson, they didn't improve on the perimeter and inside defensively though. Still iffy there. Sene is another center project, but has intriguing potential. Their 2005 R2 pick coming over, Mickale Gelabale is a long, thin athletic wing-player, not sure of much else about him or how he'll be. I think the Sonics should be in that fight around 8-10. But probably not win.

Warriors - I think the Warriors have a good possibility to make it more interesting in the low playoff scene.

Aside from not having the roster, putting Nelson in obviously doesn't improve their defense or toughness. Warriors still aren't gonna be that good, but at least they'll have a more experienced coach, and likely get more wins than the past two seasons under Montgomery. Their situation of being an above-average squad or a bad team is up in the air. Baron Davis, Troy Murphy, Richardson can't miss a lot of time. If one or two of Davis/J-Rich/Murphy doesn't stay healthy, they're a bad team, outta the playoffs and in the lottery again. If not, they won't be bad, but in that battle around 8-10. I wouldn't bet on them to be the winner in that though.

Dunleavy at the 4 and Murphy at the 5 is typical Nelson, should work on offense, but defensively, no way (not even if Dunleavy guards centers if the opposing team has a good, skilled PF). This is Pietrus' year to prove he can be consistent, and be the defender Nelson wants him to be. Ellis will only improve this season and with more minutes, he's shown to be a real steal for the Warriors in the 2nd round. Ike should have a more regular role.

Lakers - Have a good chance to get in the playoffs because of Kobe/Odom/Vlad/Phil/Kwame improvement likely/decent bench.

Hornets - Paul/Chandler/Butler/West/Mason/at least 60 or more games from Peja and B-Jax/Byron Scott. Will be in the POs as a low seed.

Jazz - Should make it as long as Ak47/Boozer stay healthy and don't go down for awhile or multiple times. If they do, then Jazzies be scrapping in the bottom playoff scene like last season. They improved in lacking areas last season - athleticism/quickness and shooting; Ronnie Brewer, Dee Brown and Derek Fisher, possible regular time for CJ Miles.

T-Wolves - Can definitely contend for their division, and would be my favorites to win it if the Jazz are not healthy again. Overall, they're a very solid, all-around team.


East

1. Heat (div. winner)
2. Bulls (div. winner)
3. Pistons
4. Nets (div. winner)
5. Cavs
6. Pacers
7. Magic
8. Wizards

2-5 is definitely tough to rank, IMO. Can basically go either way on Bulls/Pistons record. I think any of the Hawks/Raptors/Bucks/Bobcats will be in the picture to get the 8th spot. Ultimately think the Wiz get at least 8th though. if Pacers have significant injury troubles again (usual guys, plus possibly Quis now), I could see the Bucks taking a low seed. Magic vs. Bulls or Heat is a dream playoff R1 series...


Key changes:

Pistons - Take a step back or two due to losing Ben Wallace. He is a huge loss for that team with what he brought, and will still bring at a quality level. Pistons will be a good and top 5 team at least.

Bulls - I have loved following this team again since 2005, and with the options they had, their off-season has been quite good. I think will make significant progress; winning the central (with comp. from Detroit/probably Indy), and could well just make the ECF. Beating the Heat? Bulls certainly have a chance. I think will at least be a top 3 team.

Magic - I fully expect to make the playoffs as a 7/8 seed. Last season's 2nd half is not like the Warriors in 2005 - Different team, different conference. They have a good mix of veterans and young players, along with a good coach.
 
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Kings113 said:
Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Clippers
Kings
Hornets
T-Wolves
Dog-fight: Lakers/Nuggs/Grizzlies, etc.

I'm not sure how the Wolves make it, or the Hornets... i'm not sure whats you're explaination putting Kings in the 5th seed cause as much as anyone likes the Kings ( including me ) there not that crazy to put them at the 5th spot.
 
I'm not sure how the Wolves make it, or the Hornets... i'm not sure whats you're explaination putting Kings in the 5th seed cause as much as anyone likes the Kings ( including me ) there not that crazy to put them at the 5th spot.

How about reading my whole post, explanations and thoughts were included. I also edited it a bit.

If you disagree? Then we agree to disagree. Besides chap, like has been said before, how we feel on the Kings playoffs has already been discussed several times. If I change my mind, I'll post that I have somewhere. Right now? I still feel as I do above and in past discussions.
 
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I read it, and i still don't get it.... yes we will be improved thats "arguable" but it's also arguable that we haven't that much if at all.... for us to become a 5th seed alot of good things have to happen. and i just don't see it. 8-7 spot is realistic but i guess the 5th seed is realistc to according to you're based opinion.
 
I read it, and i still don't get it....

You clearly didn't, because I said "middle seed" and had that there in the early part of the post before I edited it more. That's what I generally think. I just put the Kings at the 5 spot because I think it best defines "middle".

TheJoker said:
yes we will be improved thats "arguable" but it's also arguable that we haven't that much if at all.... for us to become a 5th seed alot of good things have to happen. and i just don't see it. 8-7 spot is realistic but i guess the 5th seed is realistc to according to you're based opinion/

Yeah, "you" don't see it. For like, the 30th time, we agree to disagree on the Kings playoff situation :p. If I change my mind on that, I'll state it somewhere.
 
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I respect you're opinion so i guess we'll agree to disagree once again :p but honestly i rather expect something ( 8th seed or 7th ) then hope ( the 5th seed ) that way its easier not to get disappointed.
 
I respect you're opinion so i guess we'll agree to disagree once again :p but honestly i rather expect something ( 8th seed or 7th ) then hope ( the 5th seed ) that way its easier not to get disappointed.

Indeed. But, again, by saying "5th seed", you didn't read what I said (middle seed) and have had there in my original post before I edited it a bit more. I explained why I had the Kings at 5 on the actual standings list, in my 2nd to last post.
 
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Joker, you give too much credit to the Spurs. I doubt they get 59 wins considering the Mavs are better. The Mavs are the team to beat in the West and it isn't because they went to the NBA Finals. They are the best in the West as of right now. The Spurs are losing Horry, Barry, NVE (already gone) to age. Bowen could be included in this as well. Im pretty sure Duncan is over 30 as well. You do not give enough credit to the Kings also. They can grab a #5 seed if most things go our way and we do not have key injuries and we play some good ball. While the Joker isn't expecting a 5 seed, i most certainly am because they are good enough to get it. I wouldn't give the Suns 63 wins either---Amare hasn't been half of his former self when he came back last season and had to leave team USA on top of that because he wasn't ready. The Wolves can make the playoffs and if you don't know how the Hornets make it, i suggest you go look at their signings and trades this offseason, they are much better, though soft, than last season.
 
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Duncan is actually 30.

I definitely agree the Kings are good enough to get the 5th seed.

Suns for 63 wins? I don't see that at all yet.
 
Sac.Kings, the Spurs are gonna be better pepared and from what i heard Duncan is healthy for the first time since his MVP season.

and there is NO chance the Wolves make it. they haven't given KG a help he wants YET. they will fight for the playoffs but they will fall out.

as far as the Hornets? probably the most overhyped/overrated team this Off-season.

Overpaying for Peja and having no depth on the bench and trading you're veteran leader ( PJ Brown ) for a underachieving player and letting go JR Smith is gonna hurt them in the future and currently in there depth chart.

Suns are good enough to win 60+ games because there offense will always carries them.

and i don't see the Kings getting 5th seed is there a chance we can? absolutely but you always look at the realistic situation.
 
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as far as the Hornets? probably the most overhyped/overrated team this Off-season.

Overpaying for Peja and having no depth on the bench and trading you're veteran leader ( PJ Brown ) for a underachieving player and letting go JR Smith is gonna hurt them in the future and currently in there depth chart.

and i don't see the Kings getting 5th seed is there a chance we can? absolutely but you always look at the realistic situation.

No depth? Rasual Butler (long, athletic, solid defender, good shooter), Bobby Jackson, Marc Jackson (good team-playing big man who is a reliable scorer), Jannero Pargo (undersized SG, but a good shooter and scorer), Brandon Bass (undersized big, but athletic and scrappy) and two young athletic defensive bigs. I agree they overpayed for Peja, but Chandler is a good athletic defensive big. Trading PJ Brown, partly doesn't help them. JR Smith? He needed another place to go and Scott didn't really like him. He wasn't going to be in their plans.

Now, it's not the Bulls/Mavs/Spurs/Heat depth, but it's not shallow or bad either.


Saying the Kings getting the 8th/7th seed is a prediction, not the reality or facts. Don't pass your prediction/opinion off as that.
 
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I do not see the Suns getting 60+ wins. Any injury to Nash and their offense becomes motionless and jacking up three after three. The Hornets were in the playoff picture for all of last season up until the last2-3 weeks. Chandler is a young center and there is room for improvement. JR smith is not that good anyway and had some problems of his own from what i have read. You can't forget about a guy named Chris Paul either. He is their leader. There is a chance the Wolves make it --James has been brought in which should help KG with the offense and their rookie is also very solid. They are not a bad team. Spurs aren't as good as the Mavs, the Mavs proved that last season. If the Spurs are going to completely depend on Duncan's health then he will breakdown again. The reason the Mavs are better is because of their supporting cast.
 
No depth? Rasual Butler (long, athletic, solid defender, good shooter), Bobby Jackson, Marc Jackson (good team-playing big man who is a reliable scorer), Jannero Pargo (undersized SG, but a good shooter), Brandon Bass (undersized big, but athletic and scrappy) and two young athletic defensive bigs. I agree they overpayed for Peja, but Chandler is a good athletic defensive big, trading PJ Brown, partly doesn't help them. JR Smith? He needed another place to go and Scott didn't really like him.


Saying the Kings getting the 8th/7th seed is a prediction, not the reality or facts. Don't pass your prediction/opinion off as that.

Agreed.
 
Kings113 said:
No depth? Rasual Butler, Bobby Jackson, Marc Jackson, Jannero Pargo (good scorer and shooter), Two young athletic defensive bigs. I agree they overpayed for Peja, but Chandler is a good athletic defensive big, trading PJ Brown, partly doesn't help them. JR Smith? He needed another place to go and Scott didn't really like him.

They lack a real big-man at the center position. and yes when i look at there bench there depth chart is blow average. Pargo and BoJax are unpredictable cause either 1 is inconsistent and the other one is injury prone.

and the JR Smith is really blown out of the realism Hornets really lost a real good player. JR Smith is gonna be a star in this league.

the Hornets improved no doubt but there not gonna make the playoffs because there young and they lost there real-leader.
 
i can see the kings at 6th... and you do give way too much love to the spurs... but at the same time everyone is giving the mavs way too much love.

suns with 63 wins? more like 55....

the rockets and hornets could make a lot of noise and bump off a team like the lakers or grizzlies... maybe both...

but there are too many unknowns to predict how the standings will look... god only knows how the mavs, spurs and suns will match up against the hornets, clippers, kings, lakers, rockets, jazz, nuggets, etc.... if a couple of teams can steal a game or two and a few will.... say bye, bye 60 win season....
 
They lack a real big-man at the center position. and yes when i look at there bench there depth chart is blew average. Pargo and BoJax are unpredictable cause either 1 is inconsistent and the other one is injury prone.

and the JR Smith is really blown out of the realism Hornets really lost a real good player. JR Smith is gonna be a star in this league.

the Hornets improved no doubt but there not gonna make the playoffs because there young and they lost there real-leader.

Chandler isn't a true center, yes. Still doesn't mean he's not a good defensive big though and can't hang at the center position.

The Hornets depth is not below average, that's obviously having lack of knowledge on their players (aside from B-Jax) and ignoring what I just said about their bench.

B-Jax is unpredictable, who knows how his health will be, which is why you have to go with what he can do.

Pargo is going to be a third guard, he's not inconsistent from what I've seen (watching the Bulls with good regularity the last season and a half), he'll always give you some speed and scoring off the bench.

Also, forgot to add, Desmond Mason will play at both SG/SF.

Losing PJ Brown, partly hurts them, but it's not going to completely eliminate them from making he playoffs. Wow. Marc Jackson and Bobby Jackson will take up the role as veteran leaders just fine.

The Hornets are an improved team and should take 1 or 2 jumps up from last season, making the playoffs as a 7/8 seed.

But its more realistic right?

No. Not to me, once again, that's how you see it. I see them being a middle seed.
 
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They lack a real big-man at the center position. and yes when i look at there bench there depth chart is blow average. Pargo and BoJax are unpredictable cause either 1 is inconsistent and the other one is injury prone.

and the JR Smith is really blown out of the realism Hornets really lost a real good player. JR Smith is gonna be a star in this league.

the Hornets improved no doubt but there not gonna make the playoffs because there young and they lost there real-leader.

Some could make a case that the Hornets have a better bench then we do. JR Smith didn't do much and he could become a star, but as of now he isnt anywhere near it. Pargo is good and i actually would have liked to see the Kings sign him. We all know what BJax could do but he is old. The Hornets are a good team and have a fairly good chance of making it to the playoffs.
 
i can see the kings at 6th... and you do give way too much love to the spurs... but at the same time everyone is giving the mavs way too much love.

suns with 63 wins? more like 55....

the rockets and hornets could make a lot of noise and bump off a team like the lakers or grizzlies... maybe both...

but there are too many unknowns to predict how the standings will look... god only knows how the mavs, spurs and suns will match up against the hornets, clippers, kings, lakers, rockets, jazz, nuggets, etc.... if a couple of teams can steal a game or two and a few will.... say bye, bye 60 win season....

Agreed. Maybe i do overrate the Mavs, but they are the best in the West (I still hate them though).
 
Agreed. Maybe i do overrate the Mavs, but they are the best in the West (I still hate them though).

i feel where you are coming from... but they are not leaps and bounds better than any other playoff team... if the had gotten the lakers in the first round kobe would have dropped 82pts on them... and they would have lost.... there were too many tangible "if's" involved in them making it to the finals... luck of the draw here, injured knee there, tip ball goes to a spur instead of a mav(they should have redone that jumpball)... the mavs would just be the same old soft mavs....

they are a good team.... but outside of dirk and dampiers intangible mystery skills... how much better are the mavs than anyother healthy playoff team not including the grizzlies... they just cant seem to win any playoff games...
 
Dampier doesn't have mystery intangible skills. If they were mysterious, why even mention that? His intangible skills (like just about any other player who brings intangibles on the court) can be seen as long as you're paying above-average attention to a game with him in it. Inlcuding this past seasons playoffs. :)
 
Dampier doesn't have mystery intangible skills. If they were mysterious, why even mention that? His intangible skills (like just about any other player who brings intangibles on the court) can be seen as long as you're paying above-average attention to a game with him in it. Inlcuding this past seasons playoffs. :)

shaq has the ball at half court w/ 18 sec on the shot clock... guess what happened next..... dampier intangibly fouls shaq for no other reasin than to foul him... diop and harris were very intangible too in that series...
 
Sac.Kings said:
The Laker part of this is a bit unrealistic...

Its just as unrealistic as predicting the Kings getting a 5th seed we're not that GOOD yet why can't some fans face it?
 
Its just as unrealistic as predicting the Kings getting a 5th seed we're not that GOOD yet why can't some fans face it?

So you think its just as unrealistic that the Lakers, who have only Kobe, odom, and phil, can make the WCF, while the kings, who have Bibby, Artest, Martin, Miller, SAR, KT and the other solid players, can't get 2 or 3 spots higher than what you think they should be. The Kings are good enough to be a 5 seed, will they live up to their potential is the question. I seriously wonder sometimes if you are a Kings fan since you keep saying the Kings are going to be fighting for the 8th spot ALL the time. First half of the season last year, it was like watching a bunch of wannabes. After we got Artest, we could have taken on anybody with a solid shot of winning. Losing Bonzi hurts, but it might be for the best. I would have rather sign and traded him then just let him walk, but it didn't turn out that way. I won't dwell on it and i can't wait to see KMART start and really prove his worth. He has more scoring potential than Bonzi ever did. With him on the court, we could play fast or slow and Artest along with our post players can always kick it out to him or Bibby. We are much better than you think. Our only weaknesses are team chemistry, 1 or 2 solid big men that can rebound. The Lakers, Hornets, Grizz, and even the Rockets in some situations have a lot more question marks than we do.
 
So you think its just as unrealistic that the Lakers, who have only Kobe, odom, and phil, can make the WCF, while the kings, who have Bibby, Artest, Martin, Miller, SAR, KT and the other solid players, can't get 2 or 3 spots higher than what you think they should be. The Kings are good enough to be a 5 seed, will they live up to their potential is the question. I seriously wonder sometimes if you are a Kings fan since you keep saying the Kings are going to be fighting for the 8th spot ALL the time. First half of the season last year, it was like watching a bunch of wannabes. After we got Artest, we could have taken on anybody with a solid shot of winning. Losing Bonzi hurts, but it might be for the best. I would have rather sign and traded him then just let him walk, but it didn't turn out that way. I won't dwell on it and i can't wait to see KMART start and really prove his worth. He has more scoring potential than Bonzi ever did. With him on the court, we could play fast or slow and Artest along with our post players can always kick it out to him or Bibby. We are much better than you think. Our only weaknesses are team chemistry, 1 or 2 solid big men that can rebound. The Lakers, Hornets, Grizz, and even the Rockets in some situations have a lot more question marks than we do.

Mostly agreed.

Its just as unrealistic as predicting the Kings getting a 5th seed we're not that GOOD yet why can't some fans face it?

No, actually the two shouldn't even be related, By saying that, it shows you're caught up in other peoples opinions that are different than yours about the Kings playoff spot.

You don't mean me though, correct? I already explained quite a few times why I put the Kings as the 5th seed on my standings list.

How about, you face that your opinion isn't the reality or a fact, and that there are other views out there that differ to yours about the Kings playoffs situation. And I don't mean just on this board.

That, is the simple reality. ;)
 
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Sac.Kings said:
The Lakers, Hornets, Grizz, and even the Rockets in some situations have a lot more question marks than we do.

We lack real skilled big-man who can rebound consistently. we don't have a front-court player who gives us production night in and night out besides Brad Miller we, still have Kenny Thomas. we have a new coach and we still don't know how Eric Musselman will do in his 1st year as the Kings coach. and how Ron will stay himself and not blow up we have just as many as question marks as those other teams you mention.
 
We lack real skilled big-man who can rebound consistently. we don't have a front-court player who gives us production night in and night out besides Brad Miller we, still have Kenny Thomas. we have a new coach and we still don't know how Eric Musselman will do in his 1st year as the Kings coach. and how Ron will stay himself and not blow up we have just as many as question marks as those other teams you mention.

Ron's not going to blow up. From what I've ultimately come to, I'm not worried about that at all.

Musselman will be fine with this roster, it suits what he wants to do from what I've gathered on him and the players (various articles, footage, and interviews). He has a solid staff with him.

SAR is a quality post-player with a jumpshot, not a good rebounder, but not horrible. He'll be back to full strength this season, the jaw injury was a fluke/freak injury.

KT is a good hustle player, very good rebounder (he got a shoulder injury late last season that effected him), decent passer, athletic. Hopefully KT will have his consistent jumper back he had before this season. Which was oddly gone and didn't hit it near as much.

Brad is a good offensive big man. Average rebounder. Needs to improve his toughness and have consistent effort every night. If not, the guy is gonna be eventually gone.

Woods, I already know how you feel on him, and you already know how I feel on him.

Is it a really good front-court (not counting SF)? No. Is it average? No.

Rockets/Hornets/Grizzlies? I've already talked recently about their teams.
 
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