Predict the starting line-up stats
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OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
As a fan you should know that you can't always get more then mediocre, we all want a team of all-stars and players that fit perfectly in our system, but to want and have are totally different things. Yes you have the right to want more, but whats the point of complaining when what you want is not a reality?
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Who cares he does his job defensively just as good as any of our other bigs on the team if not better.
R
Rome
Guest
Thats the problem. We have too many PF's on this team who play defense like KT. We need shot blocking and defense. None of our bigs bring that to the team. So either Brad, KT, or Reef have to go.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
If anything our starting line-up would need that defence more, Kennys a fine defender and rebounder for the time I'm assuming hes going to get. So yah I agree we do need shot-blocking but a Shot-blocking starter dosen't come across to easily these days without giving up alot at least.
Precisely. You say that like it's a good thing... Thomas being perhaps the best defending "big" on this team doesn't change the fact that he's not very good.
Again, you are confusing "best we've got" with "fine." Kenny Thomas' defense is not "fine" to any appreciable degree.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
He is one of our best bigs defensively, be it hes great or poor at the things he brings hes still the best rebounder on this team and a team right now that is in a rebuilding indentity stage dosen't always have the luxury to have every type of player that we want so were going to be be forced to utilize what he can do whether you or I like it or not.
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
I don't think the rebounding will be as bad as you guys expect becuase having Artest guard the perimeter will mean our bigs won't have to help out as much and can stay near the basket and box out for rebounds. Remember, last year when Ron joined the team are rebounding improved significantly because of that.
Yeah, that's a good point.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Hard to tell, who gets the minutes and how many? I think they may give John Salmons the start at the SG. I hope Kevin gets that spot though.
I think Brad's minutes will be down a bit.
PG: BIbby - 19 points, 3.5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1.5 steals (36 mpg)
SG:: Kevin Martin - 13 points, 4 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.2 steals (29 mpg)
SF: Ron Artest - 18 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.55 steals (37 mpg)
PF: SAR - 13.5 points, 6 rebounds, 2.1 assists (28 mpg)
C: Brad Miller - 15 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.1 blocks (35 mpg)
I think Brad's minutes will be down a bit.
PG: BIbby - 19 points, 3.5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1.5 steals (36 mpg)
SG:: Kevin Martin - 13 points, 4 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.2 steals (29 mpg)
SF: Ron Artest - 18 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.55 steals (37 mpg)
PF: SAR - 13.5 points, 6 rebounds, 2.1 assists (28 mpg)
C: Brad Miller - 15 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.1 blocks (35 mpg)
I'm not going to go off all over you for saying that like some (or maybe more) people might...
Salmons isn't starting at SG unless Kevin gets plain out played in pre-season and training camp. Which I wouldn't bet on, and don't expect.
It's certainly a possibility because there will be a competition for it, but I don't think it's certain to happen.
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OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Yah John has the versatility he'll come off the bench, Kevin will get the start were going to need his three point stroke to stretch the D, frees up Artest and Rahim down low.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Brad Miller - 15ppg 8rpg 3apg 1bpg
SAR- 15ppg 7rpg 2apg
Artest - 18ppg 6rpg 4apg 2.8spg
Martin - 13ppg 4rpg 2apg 1.5 spg
Bibby - 19g 6-7 apg 3rpg 1spg
Don't know why people expect Martin to be averaging 17-18ppg in his first season as a starter. Doesn't matter what he averaged last season as a starter. He'll have to do it 82 games this season. I hope I'm worng, I'd love to see him average at least 15ppg but I'm trying not to put much pressure on him. In a few years I believe he will be a 18+ppg scorer.
SAR- 15ppg 7rpg 2apg
Artest - 18ppg 6rpg 4apg 2.8spg
Martin - 13ppg 4rpg 2apg 1.5 spg
Bibby - 19g 6-7 apg 3rpg 1spg
Don't know why people expect Martin to be averaging 17-18ppg in his first season as a starter. Doesn't matter what he averaged last season as a starter. He'll have to do it 82 games this season. I hope I'm worng, I'd love to see him average at least 15ppg but I'm trying not to put much pressure on him. In a few years I believe he will be a 18+ppg scorer.
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
Bibby- 19ppg 3rpg 7apg
Martin- 14ppg 4.5rpg 1.5apg
Artest- 18ppg 5rpg 3apg
SAR- 16ppg 8rpg 1apg
Miller- 13ppg 7rpg 2apg
Martin- 14ppg 4.5rpg 1.5apg
Artest- 18ppg 5rpg 3apg
SAR- 16ppg 8rpg 1apg
Miller- 13ppg 7rpg 2apg
Gary
All-Star
Bibby - 21ppg 6apg 3rpg
Martin - 36ppg 12rpg 10apg
Artest - 72ppg 21rpg 15apg 112spg
SAR - 1ppg .003rpg .00006bpg
Miller - .002ppg 115rpg 12apg 5bpg
The bench as a whole will give us somewhere near 300 points a game, and about 200 rebounds. The Kings should with this lineup win about 200 games this year (counting the pre-season). This should net them the 1 seed. Lets just hope this year they can win both the WNBA, and the NBA championships, than get ready for baseball season in time to win it all there too.
Martin - 36ppg 12rpg 10apg
Artest - 72ppg 21rpg 15apg 112spg
SAR - 1ppg .003rpg .00006bpg
Miller - .002ppg 115rpg 12apg 5bpg
The bench as a whole will give us somewhere near 300 points a game, and about 200 rebounds. The Kings should with this lineup win about 200 games this year (counting the pre-season). This should net them the 1 seed. Lets just hope this year they can win both the WNBA, and the NBA championships, than get ready for baseball season in time to win it all there too.
SDKing
Bench
Here's the thing about shot blocking. It's fun to watch, and it saves an immediate basket by the other team. However, how many times have you seen a blocked shot go directly into the hands of someone else only for them to score anyway? Or how many times does a blocked shot go out of bounds and the other team immediately gets another chance to set up their offense? Realistically, how many points are actually saved during an avarage game from blocked shots?Remember that there's no guarantee that the shot that was blocked was going to go in anyway. IMO it's much more important to have someone who is just a flat out solid defender forcing his opponent to pass the ball or alter his shot than someone who blocks the ball. Now whether or not Kenny or Shareef are solid defenders is a whole other argument. I just don't think a shot blocker is nearly as important as so many people think.
Jerryaki
Starter
^ well, if you ask how many shots might not have gone in due to the block shots, you can also ask how many penetrations were changed by the mere presence of a shotblocker.
shotblocking is a last line of defense, one that should intimidate others from penetrating into the paint. i'd say tony parker is less inclined to drive in against a shaq or a ben wallace than he is our brad miller. so, you can look at shotblocking as altering offenses.
shotblocking is a last line of defense, one that should intimidate others from penetrating into the paint. i'd say tony parker is less inclined to drive in against a shaq or a ben wallace than he is our brad miller. so, you can look at shotblocking as altering offenses.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Solid man defenders have far less effect than top team defenders, except of course on their own man. Of course the two types are oftne not exclusive, but having locked up the opposing team's SF (or whoever) doesn't do your PG much good if he's gettign best everytime down the floor. But that shotblocker back there changes everything. Every player has to worry about him, not just his man.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Note, BTW, that if we actually go into next season trying to start Bibby/Martin/Artest/SAR & Miller many of the same problems that plagued us at the beginning of last season will be out there again -- namely a lack of shots for all those offensive weapons. So for arguments sake, let's asume Muss corrects and the numbers could look like this:
Miller: 14ppg 8reb 2.5ast (no longer as significant pasingwise with the Princeton gone)
Thomas: 8pts 7rebs 1.5ast (platoon roleplaying starter)
Artest: 19ppg 5rpg 4apg (won't get to handle as much as he did with Rick, will have to see how he deals)
Martin: 16.5ppg 4rpg 2apg (potential primary beneficiary of Muss wanting to run, but shooting percentages will drop considerably with people paying attention this time)
Bibby: 18ppg 4rpg 6apg (Muss may ask/force Mike back a tad into more of a setup/passing role)
SAR: 14ppg 6rpg 2apg (potential 6th man of year candidate)
But of course it does not have to go that way at all. Everything has changed. Even whoever is closest about these numbers in this thread is jsut guessing off of tea leaves. SAR could start, Kevin could struggle, Mike could become the #1, Brad could be too slow for a running game and get under 30mpg, SAR could become the #1, Ron might talk Muss into letting him be the #1 and a 20+ point guy etc. Who knows really.
Miller: 14ppg 8reb 2.5ast (no longer as significant pasingwise with the Princeton gone)
Thomas: 8pts 7rebs 1.5ast (platoon roleplaying starter)
Artest: 19ppg 5rpg 4apg (won't get to handle as much as he did with Rick, will have to see how he deals)
Martin: 16.5ppg 4rpg 2apg (potential primary beneficiary of Muss wanting to run, but shooting percentages will drop considerably with people paying attention this time)
Bibby: 18ppg 4rpg 6apg (Muss may ask/force Mike back a tad into more of a setup/passing role)
SAR: 14ppg 6rpg 2apg (potential 6th man of year candidate)
But of course it does not have to go that way at all. Everything has changed. Even whoever is closest about these numbers in this thread is jsut guessing off of tea leaves. SAR could start, Kevin could struggle, Mike could become the #1, Brad could be too slow for a running game and get under 30mpg, SAR could become the #1, Ron might talk Muss into letting him be the #1 and a 20+ point guy etc. Who knows really.
And that's the folly of getting worked up over specifics at this point....
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The USA team is using a running offense and Brad seems to be keeping up. I would think his minutes will be reduced this coming season. At least I hope that's the case.
Muss has also mentioned that he'll be using Princeton sets. And with a guy like Brad Miller it wouldn't make much sense to not use his passing skill.
If you look back to after the trade last year, Rick pretty much abandoned his offense. I think the team will play pretty much like they did towards the end of last year. Except they'll get up the court faster so there won't be too much of a set offense. At least from what Musselman has said that's what I would gather.
The team last year was stuck between running the ball up, and setting it up in the half court. They didn't know what the hell they were doing some games, it's quite funny to watch in hindsight. When they finally started pushing on offense is when they got it going.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Expectations on this board are way too high for him. His first year starting people expect him to be putting up side-kick numbers on a super-star chamionship contending team.
If Martin avg that for us this season, he would only be averaging a basket and an assist less than Ginobili. In his first year starting. Don't bring up that the Spurs have better scorers around them. Ginobili is there second or third scoring option (whoever you want to put first, Parker or Ginobili). Martin would be our 3rd/4th/maybe evn 5th depending on how he plays. Argue all you want, but expectations are too high.
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AriesMar27
Guest
well he averaged like 14 last year when bonzi was out so i dont see how 2 more points is unrealistic....
Entity
Hall of Famer
Yeah Martin averaged 14 pts 5 reb and 3 ast last year in the the 41 games he started. So expectations if anything are low. He gets better everyday. He is also probably 3rd option on this team.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
That or yours are to low
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Whoa go easy with all the reasons as to why mine are too low. You have everyone convinced. We'll see when the season starts.
