Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

pdxKingsFan said:
How many picks would we be getting back to suffer through 3 years of PG vs one or two of LaVine? Does Philly actually have anything attractive or did they blow it all trying to get Embiid over the top?
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Hmm it looks like the sixers picks are protected 25-27 so they don't have their own until 2028/2029 which is a pretty long ways out there, something like twslam07's idea with a big 3 or 4 team deal is starting to sound a lot better.
 
SacTownKid said:
That would likely put this team in that 8 year rebuild window. Johnson wasn't getting firsts before, he shouldn't now. Gafford is solid but while they would help, the Kings aren't guaranteed to be those level of players away from jack. Too risky, not enough return.
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Eh I wouldn’t say it’s too risky considering we’re not sending out any of our own 1sts. The luxury of sending out those picks is we can still pivot to a rebuild if needed while not having to worry about any of our picks belonging to another team.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Any scenario that sees us with Ben Simmons on the roster, I have ZERO interest in entertaining.
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Wait…why?

We’re not talking about Ben Simmons on a max deal here and we’re not talking about trading/giving up assets to get him. He’s going to be a UFA this offseason. We’d simply be able to sign him. Not to mention his fit with our roster would appear to be solid as he addresses many of our problems (PG, defense, size/length, athleticism).
 
The_Jamal said:
Yeah, I like the idea of trying to take a stab at Nico and take advantage of him this summer. They have quite a few ancillary pieces that would fit us well and he clearly has no idea what he's doing. Can easily see him parting with pjw/gafford/naji for "bigger name" players
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SacTownKid said:
Who knows what they'd go for but if the Kings could parlay DeMar into PJ that would solve a lot of issues for both teams.
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I have a really hard time seeing DAL giving up PJ Washington for DeRozan.

I think they want to move forward with a frontcourt of Washington, Davis, and Lively which is a giant frontcourt with a crazy amount of length, athleticism, and defense. I also think they need Washington’s shooting at the 3 to make sure the floor is decently spaced on offense.
 
SacTownKid said:
Yeah, the difference between Ellis and Carter is the pick and roll ability. Again, if you compare their college years in almost every area Carter projected far higher than Ellis in almost every area hence why he was where he was in the big boards. Ellis looks like a 3 and D guy through and through, we'll see where Carter goes but his potential is certainly as a legit pick and roll scorer. Does he get the chance or develop? We'll see.

If a player can't score in pick and roll they're going to be limited to spot shooting or limited off the dribble. Keegan is the same way but he's starting to use his body to create separation. It's only one real game with this last play in, but the question with an Ellis defensively is what can he get away with? I brought it up before, players that play handsy defense tend to have very up and down postseasons. Refs aren't going to let you swipe down at every star when they make their move. They will however let you play physical defense. Carter plays classic winning defense. With is chest. He locks onto his man, denies the ball, and he doesn't just play passing lanes. The thing we have look at as it goes forward is what kind of strength and size Carter adds with a proper summer to workout. There was a play in the Dallas game where PJ tested him and immediately decided that was unwise. Carter is learning the ropes and was really trying to pull out the flop at times. Flopping on offense is the way to go, defensively he just needs to stay strong and lock in. On the screens he's getting respect though. That flopping has worked so far. One on one, probably not. He might want to cut that out.
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Yeah you and I have been the biggest Carter fanboys since day 1 so no disagreement from me here ;)

When I compare the potential between Carter and Ellis, I see it this way…
  1. Shooting = advantage Ellis
  2. Scoring = advantage Carter
  3. Ballhandling = advantage Carter
  4. Passing = advantage Carter
  5. PnR Play = advantage Carter
  6. Rebounding = advantage Carter
  7. Screening = advantage Carter
  8. Cutting = advantage Carter
  9. On Ball Defense = advantage Carter
  10. Passing Lane Defense = advantage Ellis
  11. Defensive Rotations = neutral
  12. Rim Protection = advantage Carter
  13. Length = neutral
  14. Strength = advantage Carter
  15. Quickness = advantage Carter
  16. Speed = advantage Carter
  17. Vertical = advantage Carter

As you can see, I think Carter can be better than Ellis in most categories. However, shooting is so crucial in today’s game. Carter really needs to be respectable/solid in that category which will then at least allow Carter to be a very good role player. And if he continues to develop his offensive game, ballhandling, PnR play, etc., he has the potential to be more than just a role player (especially with his combination of length, strength, quickness, speed, and vertical).
 
SacTownKid said:
That's actually a pretty solid why not. Charlotte straight across for DeMar or maybe even Domas could be a decent trade partner.
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I don’t think CHA would want DeRozan, but I agree that I do like this trade the best this far (and signing Ben Simmons of course ;))
 
twslam07 said:
Eh I wouldn’t say it’s too risky considering we’re not sending out any of our own 1sts. The luxury of sending out those picks is we can still pivot to a rebuild if needed while not having to worry about any of our picks belonging to another team.
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The Kings might end up running this back though so the more firsts the more opportunity to package to move in a draft should they need to. If the Kings want to stay in play in range, they can't use picks or youth to do it. That's what gets teams like the Kings to be, well... the Kings, lol. If they are going that far, then just go all the way. Really shoot for talent and just deal with the end result of a worst case if it happens. Which considering the possible names they could land in an all in package would likely result in just that, a worst case. New Suns it would likely be at this point.
 
The_Jamal said:
Kings fans and hating their own players. Name a more iconic duo
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best rebounder in the game, second best passing big man, 19 points a game, ultimate warrior on the court. Shoots 40 percent from 3. If defending the rim is the deal breaker at center then try something else (different front court partner) before shipping him off for role players and a pick.
 
twslam07 said:
I have a really hard time seeing DAL giving up PJ Washington for DeRozan.

I think they want to move forward with a frontcourt of Washington, Davis, and Lively which is a giant frontcourt with a crazy amount of length, athleticism, and defense. I also think they need Washington’s shooting at the 3 to make sure the floor is decently spaced on offense.
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It sure did look like the Mavs could have used a DeRozan. You're probably right though.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1914370584093581686

If that’s all we get for Domas, who as far as we know actually wants to be here and hasn’t made Atlanta his only destination, Scott Perry deserves to be fired into the Sun lol
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We’re getting our pick this coming year anyways we probably don’t even make the play-in unless we trade for a star this summer


twslam07 said:
I don’t think CHA would want DeRozan, but I agree that I do like this trade the best this far (and signing Ben Simmons of course ;))
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Ya why would CHA want demar at all he’d get in the way of they’re young core. They were in the top five odds for Sabonis though they probably wouldn’t trade there pick this year but Sabonis for Mark Williams and next years pick top five protected would be a nice deal I think
 
iowamcnabb said:
best rebounder in the game, second best passing big man, 19 points a game, ultimate warrior on the court. Shoots 40 percent from 3. If defending the rim is the deal breaker at center then try something else (different front court partner) before shipping him off for role players and a pick.
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He also isn’t a go to scorer
 
twslam07 said:
Yeah you and I have been the biggest Carter fanboys since day 1 so no disagreement from me here ;)

When I compare the potential between Carter and Ellis, I see it this way…
  1. Shooting = advantage Ellis
  2. Scoring = advantage Carter
  3. Ballhandling = advantage Carter
  4. Passing = advantage Carter
  5. PnR Play = advantage Carter
  6. Rebounding = advantage Carter
  7. Screening = advantage Carter
  8. Cutting = advantage Carter
  9. On Ball Defense = advantage Carter
  10. Passing Lane Defense = advantage Ellis
  11. Defensive Rotations = neutral
  12. Rim Protection = advantage Carter
  13. Length = neutral
  14. Strength = advantage Carter
  15. Quickness = advantage Carter
  16. Speed = advantage Carter
  17. Vertical = advantage Carter

As you can see, I think Carter can be better than Ellis in most categories. However, shooting is so crucial in today’s game. Carter really needs to be respectable/solid in that category which will then at least allow Carter to be a very good role player. And if he continues to develop his offensive game, ballhandling, PnR play, etc., he has the potential to be more than just a role player (especially with his combination of length, strength, quickness, speed, and vertical).
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Haha, it's not even about being a fanboy, it's fact. I still think the long term goal should be Carter and Keon together in the backcourt. I posted the two man lineup stats over the last 10 games (when the games were most critical) and they were by far the best two man combo on the entire team. The Kings better be looking at things like that. Also the other advantage for Carter is his ability to get over screens. One of the most important factors in any POA defender is not having to blitz every screen, go under, or contest from behind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1jxps72
 
SacTownKid said:
Even if he were close to free? He does look pretty roasted and toasted the last number of seasons.
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Although I’ve been championing for him today, I do have to admit that I haven’t seem him play much this year so I could be convinced to move on if he’s looking cooked these days. However, he is putting up these per 36 min stats…

.539 TS%
7.2 FGA
.520 FG%
1.1 FTA
.727 FT%
8.2 PTS
7.7 REB
9.2 AST
1.2 STL
0.7 BLK
3.3 TO

If he combines that with excellent defense and comes here on a cheaper deal, why not?
 
pdxKingsFan said:
How many picks would we be getting back to suffer through 3 years of PG vs one or two of LaVine? Does Philly actually have anything attractive or did they blow it all trying to get Embiid over the top?
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If I’m reading the protections on their picks corrrectly, I think PHI could trade 3 1sts.
 
twslam07 said:
Although I’ve been championing for him today, I do have to admit that I haven’t seem him play much this year so I could be convinced to move on if he’s looking cooked these days. However, he is putting up these per 36 min stats…

.539 TS%
7.2 FGA
.520 FG%
1.1 FTA
.727 FT%
8.2 PTS
7.7 REB
9.2 AST
1.2 STL
0.7 BLK
3.3 TO

If he combines that with excellent defense and comes here on a cheaper deal, why not?
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Yeah, I agree. After looking at other PG options that don't require trades he'd be the only one that would be most practical fit wise if cheapish. It would depend on the number of suitors obviously. In theory though the Kings could offer him a starting spot and how many teams would even do that? Maybe he explodes in the playoffs at some point but he looked disinterested in game 1.
 
twslam07 said:
Yeah you and I have been the biggest Carter fanboys since day 1 so no disagreement from me here ;)

When I compare the potential between Carter and Ellis, I see it this way…
  1. Shooting = advantage Ellis
  2. Scoring = advantage Carter
  3. Ballhandling = advantage Carter
  4. Passing = advantage Carter
  5. PnR Play = advantage Carter
  6. Rebounding = advantage Carter
  7. Screening = advantage Carter
  8. Cutting = advantage Carter
  9. On Ball Defense = advantage Carter
  10. Passing Lane Defense = advantage Ellis
  11. Defensive Rotations = neutral
  12. Rim Protection = advantage Carter
  13. Length = neutral
  14. Strength = advantage Carter
  15. Quickness = advantage Carter
  16. Speed = advantage Carter
  17. Vertical = advantage Carter

As you can see, I think Carter can be better than Ellis in most categories. However, shooting is so crucial in today’s game. Carter really needs to be respectable/solid in that category which will then at least allow Carter to be a very good role player. And if he continues to develop his offensive game, ballhandling, PnR play, etc., he has the potential to be more than just a role player (especially with his combination of length, strength, quickness, speed, and vertical).
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Woah woah woah, I demand to be in the "day 1 Carter fanboy" club
 
twslam07 said:
Wait…why?

We’re not talking about Ben Simmons on a max deal here and we’re not talking about trading/giving up assets to get him. He’s going to be a UFA this offseason. We’d simply be able to sign him. Not to mention his fit with our roster would appear to be solid as he addresses many of our problems (PG, defense, size/length, athleticism).
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As a very vocal opponent to Simmons in the past, I have also said on a vet min deal - why not? If he doesn't perform he sits with no real financial penalty. My opposition has generally been that he couldn't get on the floor and his contract was huge.

Same issue I have with Zion. If he can stay on the floor (healthy), sure. If he hasn't proven that but can be had for cheap at some point, sure. But that combination of price and availability is critical for me to buy off on such a move.
 
SacTownKid said:
Haha, it's not even about being a fanboy, it's fact. I still think the long term goal should be Carter and Keon together in the backcourt. I posted the two man lineup stats over the last 10 games (when the games were most critical) and they were by far the best two man combo on the entire team. The Kings better be looking at things like that. Also the other advantage for Carter is his ability to get over screens. One of the most important factors in any POA defender is not having to blitz every screen, go under, or contest from behind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1jxps72
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Part of me just wants to throw Carter to the fire and start him at PG next season.

All we hear is how confident he is and how he doesn’t get rattled so I’m less worried about needing to coddle him. I think he’s one of those young guys that would relish that opportunity.

If he shows flashes that he can be a lead guard, great! We have found our PG of the future. Build the roster with that in mind. If it looks like he’s going to need to be a secondary ball handler, then maybe look at trading LaVine next offseason (when he’s an expiring) for a star upgrade at a position that balances our team better (PG, SF, PF).
 
Warhawk said:
As a very vocal opponent to Simmons in the past, I have also said on a vet min deal - why not? If he doesn't perform he sits with no real financial penalty. My opposition has generally been that he couldn't get on the floor and his contract was huge.

Same issue I have with Zion. If he can stay on the floor (healthy), sure. If he hasn't proven that but can be had for cheap at some point, sure. But that combination of price and availability is critical for me to buy off on such a move.
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Common ground at last! ;)
 
twslam07 said:
Common ground at last! ;)
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My position has always been that the cost for such flawed superstars, especially the oft-injured, is just too high a price for the minimal likely return. As an engineer, the price-performance balance was just WAY too far out of whack to be logical. If you are playing NBA 2K, sure, go for it. But in the real world, with YEARS of impacts both financial and personnel impact, it just never made sense other than as the same kind of gamble as betting it all on a very bad poker hand. If you hit on that <5% chance, great. But the house almost always wins and I'm not willing to gamble on the chronically injury-ridden.
 
I'd like to see more variety from Carter on offense. If he receives the ball at the free throw line and is wide open, would he even shoot it? I'm not sure if he even possesses any type of mid range shot. I'd like to see him attack the rim more and draw fouls rather than pull up for floaters. Ask Justin Jackson how far pulling up for floaters every time will get you.

His defense looks like the real deal and it'll look like even more of a real deal when the refs actually allow him to play it. Keon got the whistle treatment his first year and a half or so before he was recognized as a defender and allowed to defend by the game manipulators with the whistles.
 
Offseason is going to be nuts. Durant is gone. I have to assume Giannis will be discussed in trades if they lose to the Pacers. Trae Young is likely gone. Zion may be gone. Someone from Boston has to go. What happens in Denver? What does Golden State do if they lose in round one or two? Do the Nets swing big with cap space?
 
serbiangoat said:
Would not shock me if Memphis moves on from Morrant now is an excellent sell high time imo.
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Sell high? Dude’s got a bad shoulder issue that apparently hasn’t healed all season and has mountains of maturity concerns STILL after the league suspended him for the quarter of a season. I’m honestly not sure if he has more value than De’Aaron Fox did for us at this point.
 
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