Potential Free Agent/Trade/Sign Tracker, '25-'26 Season

Joshyjosh31 said:
Our over/under is 36.5 Vegas won’t be wrong on this sorry roster by 5 wins the west got better we didn’t. So many teams can seep the season series vs us on athleticism and size alone if we Ben match up talent wise
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The pre-season over/under for the 2022-2023 season was 34.5 and that team won 48 games. Vegas isn't right about everything and I doubt enough people are betting on the Kings pre-season O/U for them to even care one way or another. My estimate with this roster is 36-44 wins barring significant injury issues. 41 is a tad bit optimistic given that range but I would prefer we dump the vets and play the kids so winning just enough games to stay in play-in hell is a worst-case scenario and exactly what I expect to see. What looks like optimism is really the exact opposite.
 
Padrino said:
The west, indeed, got better, and while the Kings roster situation has not substantially improved, they're likely to be better, as well, by virtue of franchise stabilization after a period of severe upheaval.

Again, I don't have anything resembling an optimistic outlook on the team, at present, but there's plenty of talent on the roster, mismatched though it is. I don't care what Vegas says, estimating that the Kings reach or breach .500 is not some outlandish prediction. Nor is it any kind of laudable goal, either.
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Every year it’s said Vegas doesn’t know what they’re doing and they’re right most of the time last year they had us at 46.5 and the under hit like 99% of people outside Sacramento predicted

Just don’t see the recipe for success with defensive players like Lavine and DDR starting and Sabonis as you paint defender. What happens when Keegan’s in foul trouble or gets hurt the next man up at that size is an undersized rookie
hrdboild said:
The pre-season over/under for the 2022-2023 season was 34.5 and that team won 48 games. Vegas isn't right about everything and I doubt enough people are betting on the Kings pre-season O/U for them to even care one way or another. My estimate with this roster is 36-44 wins barring significant injury issues. 41 is a tad bit optimistic given that range but I would prefer we dump the vets and play the kids so winning just enough games to stay in play-in hell is a worst-case scenario and exactly what I expect to see. What looks like optimism is really the exact opposite.
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What’s that one year in two decades they weren’t right on us.. ya getting smacked by 25 again in the play-in is worst case scenario
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Every year it’s said Vegas doesn’t know what they’re doing and they’re right most of the time last year they had us at 46.5 and the under hit like 99% of people outside Sacramento predicted
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If 99% of people hit (outside sac) that means they don't know what they're doing. I highly doubt 99% of Sac fans bet the over either, most Kings fans are not optimistic, especially outside of this site.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If 99% of people hit (outside sac) that means they don't know what they're doing. I highly doubt 99% of Sac fans bet the over either, most Kings fans are not optimistic, especially outside of this site.
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Vegas’ goal with these totals is not to predict the number of wins/losses but to entice bets on both sides. They will likely end up being in the ballpark most of the time, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be way off at the end of the year like we saw with the beam team year.
 
TheMobb said:
Vegas’ goal with these totals is not to predict the number of wins/losses but to entice bets on both sides. They will likely end up being in the ballpark most of the time, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be way off at the end of the year like we saw with the beam team year.
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Right. Historically the team is unpopular and does poorly so it's set too low because people (even their own fans) are prone to bet against them. I'm guessing last year it was set based on the previous two years results not expecting the total meltdown leading to Brown's dismissal.

Just like how the Lakers always have unrealistically high odds of winning the championship because they attract a lot of early season futures bets even when they stink. Vegas hasn't deemed them a favorite, just that they know they get unreasonable action in the win column they don't have to sell fans to bet on the team with high odds.
 
ok so this is just stupid, frustrating and I can’t believe that they’re thinking trading Monk (27?) for Russell Westbrick (37?) is going to get us to play offs??? LMAO SMFH and this is why i really try hard not to listen to trades, blah blah blah because I get so pissed off. First they’re screaming we’re need a younger team, we get some very good potential young players (Devon, Keon and Nique) and yet out of the other side of their neck let’s go get vets for support. Pulling my hair out. Within 6 minutes of 1140 I hear let’s get rid of Monk for Westbrick and get rid of the beam team AND THE BEAM

No one can convince me of any of this crap is a good thing….. Why do you think they call him WESTBRICK get a clue……
 
DynaPamm said:
ok so this is just stupid, frustrating and I can’t believe that they’re thinking trading Monk (27?) for Russell Westbrick (37?) is going to get us to play offs??? LMAO SMFH and this is why i really try hard not to listen to trades, blah blah blah because I get so pissed off. First they’re screaming we’re need a younger team, we get some very good potential young players (Devon, Keon and Nique) and yet out of the other side of their neck let’s go get vets for support. Pulling my hair out. Within 6 minutes of 1140 I hear let’s get rid of Monk for Westbrick and get rid of the beam team AND THE BEAM

No one can convince me of any of this crap is a good thing….. Why do you think they call him WESTBRICK get a clue……
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We'll be in touch when Russ leads us down that parade route through Downtown Sacramento in June...:):):)
 
DynaPamm said:
ok so this is just stupid, frustrating and I can’t believe that they’re thinking trading Monk (27?) for Russell Westbrick (37?) is going to get us to play offs??? LMAO SMFH and this is why i really try hard not to listen to trades, blah blah blah because I get so pissed off. First they’re screaming we’re need a younger team, we get some very good potential young players (Devon, Keon and Nique) and yet out of the other side of their neck let’s go get vets for support. Pulling my hair out. Within 6 minutes of 1140 I hear let’s get rid of Monk for Westbrick and get rid of the beam team AND THE BEAM

No one can convince me of any of this crap is a good thing….. Why do you think they call him WESTBRICK get a clue……
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Everything we hear as reports aren’t necessarily fact. It can just be smokescreens from teams, agents, media because all have their own agendas.

That said if we believe the reports it would actually be Monk (and a pick) for Kuminga and Westbrook, which makes a lot more sense than just a straight swap of Monk for Westbrook.
 
DynaPamm said:
ok so this is just stupid, frustrating and I can’t believe that they’re thinking trading Monk (27?) for Russell Westbrick (37?) is going to get us to play offs??? LMAO SMFH and this is why i really try hard not to listen to trades, blah blah blah because I get so pissed off. First they’re screaming we’re need a younger team, we get some very good potential young players (Devon, Keon and Nique) and yet out of the other side of their neck let’s go get vets for support. Pulling my hair out. Within 6 minutes of 1140 I hear let’s get rid of Monk for Westbrick and get rid of the beam team AND THE BEAM

No one can convince me of any of this crap is a good thing….. Why do you think they call him WESTBRICK get a clue……
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Has this happened? It has not. The reports seem to have the order wrong, if we trade Monk we will likely sign Westbrook to add a backup PG.

If we trade Monk, it will also be for a front court piece (Kuminga or I guess there's an outside chance at PJ Washington who is the odd man out in Dallas) and not just shipping him out to make room for Russ.

Of course Russ's agent wants to get his client signed so he's not going to advertise being a backup plan.
 
TheMobb said:
Everything we hear as reports aren’t necessarily fact. It can just be smokescreens from teams, agents, media because all have their own agendas.

That said if we believe the reports it would actually be Monk (and a pick) for Kuminga and Westbrook, which makes a lot more sense than just a straight swap of Monk for Westbrook.
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Still makes no sense why sign westbrick? The FO already convinced some on here that Schroeder was necessary cause Carter can’t start. If we got rid of monk for Westbrook are we now saying Carter can’t play backup guard as well is Carter not an nba caliber player
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Still makes no sense why sign westbrick? The FO already convinced some on here that Schroeder was necessary cause Carter can’t start. If we got rid of monk for Westbrook are we now saying Carter can’t play backup guard as well is Carter not an nba caliber player
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Outside of bottoming out and playing all the young guys would anything make sense to you? I’m not saying I disagree with that I just think ownership has no interest in that direction so Perry’s looking at Westbrook as a quality back up guard that’s proven and that can help with the culture. Not like it’s a huge commitment, it’s likely a vet min deal for a year.
 
TheMobb said:
Outside of bottoming out and playing all the young guys would anything make sense to you? I’m not saying I disagree with that I just think ownership has no interest in that direction so Perry’s looking at Westbrook as a quality back up guard that’s proven and that can help with the culture. Not like it’s a huge commitment, it’s likely a vet min deal for a year.
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If they are moving salary I don't think it is, it could be another classic Kings overpay. Horford might be getting a MLE deal too. If it's a culture thing, whatever, teams shouldn't really be spending the kind of money or make the kind of moves the Kings are for "culture" usually, but it's possible. This looks more like total Kings style. Go find whatever decent middle rung veteran PG you can even if you have a young star at the position like they did when they had Fox. Throw it on the pile of the Benos, Collisons, Rondos, Hills, and so and and so on. The Kings always go after these talent grabs at that position because it's the only real shot they can ever take. PG's tend to fall out of the high value range towards the back end and decent ones can be had later on when most of the sand has fallen down to the other end of the hour glass. The problem here is even if it worked what's the window? Very small at best. Time to start building for the future Perry. If the Kings win they win, if they don't Perry better not make his cap situation any worse or deplete any possible rebuild pieces. It's bad enough that the 3rd year on Shroders deal is almost 5 million. The Kings always get eaten alive with those little drips and drabs via accumulation. One little stab here, one little one there. Next thing you know a nice little chunk of flexibility died because the paper cuts added on up and bled a little too much.
 
If Monk were traded, who would be the logical partners? Everything I have read says the current lack of market for him is all about the money. The Kings might even have to attach a draft pick to get him off the roster.

On a related question, if the Kings cut Terence Davis, could they save the $2,546,675, and then come up with the $3,634,153 vet minimum for Westbrook? The difference comes to just over $1 million.

Ironically, Monk started over Westbrook for the Lakers because he and Austin Reaves were, simply put, more effective on the court. I think the Kings would be DOA without him next season, but the "reports" say Scott Perry is determined to trade Mr. Monk anyway.
 
I’m confused are we tanking or not? No, we want to stay mid. The worst place to be. Leaning on old non-fitting pieces to stay mid and keep the young guys off the court. I get the GM is new so I can cut him some slack but if we move monk and don’t get a forward back I may throw up.
 
TheMobb said:
Outside of bottoming out and playing all the young guys would anything make sense to you? I’m not saying I disagree with that I just think ownership has no interest in that direction so Perry’s looking at Westbrook as a quality back up guard that’s proven and that can help with the culture. Not like it’s a huge commitment, it’s likely a vet min deal for a year.
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Not signing Westbrook and seeing what we have in Carter is what makes sense. Westbrick is a big commitment when he’s blocking carters minutes why waste a year doing that how do you go into carters third season with basically no real nba playing time in his first two seasons. Russ isn’t even gonna help the team out and I’m tired of this culture bull crap that’s being pushed. The hell is set the culture when your team is old we’re not the hornets or jazz
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Not signing Westbrook and seeing what we have in Carter is what makes sense. Westbrick is a big commitment when he’s blocking carters minutes why waste a year doing that how do you go into carters third season with basically no real nba playing time in his first two seasons. Russ isn’t even gonna help the team out and I’m tired of this culture bull crap that’s being pushed. The hell is set the culture when your team is old we’re not the hornets or jazz
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Forget Carter he is blocking keons minutes
 
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