They’re in “control” to the extent they can stomach the tax hit and the second apron penalties which they seem desperate/determined to avoid even for talent they want.
Potential Free Agent/Trade/Sign Tracker, '25-'26 Season
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Joshyjosh31
Starter
So what’s GSW plan here why not take the kings deal over Phoenix at some point they need to sign Horford.
The offer shouldn’t include Carter why is this franchise so stupid Phoenix is offering them Grayson ****ing Allen and we show up with Carter, jesus offer them monk and be done with it that’s the best offer on the table for them
Monk doesn't work for some stupid cap rule, I think. Either that or I think it's been said GS doesn't want him
Which I'm not really sure why Carter/Saric does cap wise
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
They had to know what they were getting into when they traded for Butler. They are basically set up for the pain to be short since it looks like they are on a 2 year window prior to rebuild.
The cap rule is BYC - Warriors are limited to receiving 150% of Kuminga's salary from last year while any team that takes him has to apply his new contract to their cap. Monk would work if Kuminga's salary is in that range. The issue is Kuminga wanting 30 million and then figuring out how to make that work.
This is kind of silly but the rationale behind it is to keep teams from using sign and trades to skirt the salary cap. It's pretty fair when you consider what happened with the KD situation where they took D-Lo back just to stay as an above cap team.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
What’s the number at if it’s a monk swap? Just offer Kuminga that and give him a player option to get a bigger deal later. What it sounds like he doesn’t wanna be in GSW and I don’t blame him he’ll be benched in no time. Offer GSW monk if they don’t want him then good luck with Grayson Allen no reason to offer Carter
serbiangoat
Starter
If the Kings are doing a sign and trade they should, for Giddy not Kuminga and look to move off Schroeder straight away when.
He's eligible to be traded. Would a Giddy for Kuminga not be logical for both teams?
He's eligible to be traded. Would a Giddy for Kuminga not be logical for both teams?
It should be pretty close if it's a Monk swap but I think Monk is making under 20m and he wanted 30.
Jdbraver137
Bench
Just because this is still in LaLa conjecture land is a Shroder- lavine-murray_kuminda-domas 6th man : Monk w rooks without Keon better than last year?
Without Keon no. With Keon, yes
twslam07
All-Star
Assuming Monk & Carter are moved for Kuminga, it seems like DeRozan would have to be moved as a follow-up move.
For starters, DeRozan has always been resistant to coming off the bench, but if we trade for Kuminga are we really going to bring Murray or Kuminga off the bench? Absolutely not IMO.
So in addition to moving Monk & Carter, if we also move DeRozan, I feel like the minutes distribution will be…
PG - Schroder (28) / Ellis (20)
SG - LaVine (34) / Ellis (10) / Clifford (4)
SF - Murray (32) / Clifford (16)
PF - Kuminga (34) / ??? (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Raynaud (14)
LaVine = 34 min
Kuminga = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Ellis = 30 min
Schroder = 28 min
Clifford = 20 min
Raynaud = 14 min
??? = 14 min
Perhaps that ??? is Isaac Jones but perhaps it’s someone we acquire from the DeRozan trade.
For starters, DeRozan has always been resistant to coming off the bench, but if we trade for Kuminga are we really going to bring Murray or Kuminga off the bench? Absolutely not IMO.
So in addition to moving Monk & Carter, if we also move DeRozan, I feel like the minutes distribution will be…
PG - Schroder (28) / Ellis (20)
SG - LaVine (34) / Ellis (10) / Clifford (4)
SF - Murray (32) / Clifford (16)
PF - Kuminga (34) / ??? (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Raynaud (14)
LaVine = 34 min
Kuminga = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 32 min
Ellis = 30 min
Schroder = 28 min
Clifford = 20 min
Raynaud = 14 min
??? = 14 min
Perhaps that ??? is Isaac Jones but perhaps it’s someone we acquire from the DeRozan trade.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Why develop nique and Carter when you can play Schroeder and Westbrick
twslam07
All-Star
The only way it makes sense is if Monk & Carter are moved in that rumored Kuminga deal. If DeRozan is also shipped out, the minutes could be distributed like this…
PG - Schroder (28) / Westbrook (20)
SG - LaVine (22) / Ellis (26)
SF - Murray (16) / LaVine (12) / Clifford (20)
PF - Kuminga (34) / Murray (14)
C - Sabonis (34) / Raynaud (14)
LaVine = 34 min
Kuminga = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
Murray = 30 min
Schroder = 28 min
Ellis = 26 min
Westbrook = 20 min
Clifford = 20 min
Raynaud = 14 min
Personally, I’d rather have Ellis & Clifford get the backup guard minutes. It allows everyone to play more minutes at their “ideal” position vs. if we bring Westbrook in, we’re playing LaVine/Ellis/Clifford at SF for many minutes and playing Murray at PF for many minutes.
Plus, I think Ellis & Clifford with Sabonis should be able to keep the offense going when Schroder is off the court. And it gives Clifford some opportunity to grow his playmaking game.
Seems like a reasonable nine man rotation, I do get the idea though that I. Jones is viewed favourably enough to get some minutes.
As far as Carter goes, it doesn’t appear management saw enough PG skills in summer league to consider him a piece going forward. Kind of a shame, but I am a bit surprised he had’nt developed more at that position considering his size and who is father is.
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Joshyjosh31
Starter
Why are we giving up monk/carter the only other team even interested allegedly is Phoenix and they have trash offers.
“Keep the offense when Schroeder is off the court” talk about a cooked franchise my god
Because GS could just not trade him to us. You have to put enough on the table for them not to just keep him on the QO
BuddyBuckets
G-League
Stiles was talking about a Miami deal for Demar/Rozier if we get Kuminga. it's a deal I've been pushing all summer even though many Kings fans disagree.
I love Monk and we could technically keep him if we did this the right way, but I also wouldn't be mad to see him move on.
Brooklyn takes Monk/2nds from Miami
Miami gets Derozan
GS gets Saric/Carter/heavily protected Wolves 1st
Kings get Kuminga/Rozier
Rozier may get banned and I imagine his contract could be waived. Then we can sign Russ (LOL) or Simmons.
Schroder/Russ
LaVine/Keon
Keegan/Nique
Kuminga/Jones
Sabonis/Eubanks
I hope Maxime gets mins out the gate, but I'd bet against it. Realistically, i'd do this move. It clears a lot of the fat from the Kings. Gives us more size, sets us in the right direction. I'd avoid signing Russ, and instead sign Wright or Morris if they are hell bent on another vet pg.
If it secured us Kuminga, I wouldn't mind ddr for rozier+draft capital and we just buyout rozier. I think i just care about our young guys having as much opportunity as possible and this would clear the runway.
If possible, find everyway to keep DC.
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BuddyBuckets
G-League
I'm not as attached to DC as most Kings fans. I just don't see it. I think his upside is Gary Payton II. I wouldn't mind keeping him, but if it meant giving another 1st, hell no.
twslam07
All-Star
I think you completely missed the point of my post but that seems to be a recurring theme unfortunately…
Me echoing the rumored trade proposal (Monk/Carter/+ for Kuminga) is not me advocating for that trade. It’s me simply stating what is rumored and how that ties in with the Westbrook rumor.
It’s less an opinion and more about reading tea leaves so save me the misplaced outrage.
Yes, and?
You quote it like I’m saying Schroder is the messiah (yet another point misinterpreted). When in reality, all you’re up in arms about is me simply saying we wouldn’t have a good backup PG option if Carter and Monk are shipped out for Kuminga.
You’re right. What an absolutely radical take by me! How could anyone have the audacity to make such a claim? The gall that person has!
Caccia
Starter
That would be the truth. I keep hearing that management would rather have someone else (insert name here) rather than Monk as backup point guard. They seem to be lacking in emotional intelligence, considering that he has been the "heart of the team" since his arrival. Monk also tied Sabonis last season for the most assists per 36 minutes, at 6.3. That is clearly a relevant statistic.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, sorry Domas, it doesn't make much sense offensively. Defensively I can see why Monk is obviously a bad fit, but we've yet to see any defense first moves out of Perry. The only rumored one is that he is willing to trade Carter who has the highest defensive potential on the entire team.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I think you completely missed the point of my post but that seems to be a recurring theme unfortunately…
Me echoing the rumored trade proposal (Monk/Carter/+ for Kuminga) is not me advocating for that trade. It’s me simply stating what is rumored and how that ties in with the Westbrook rumor.
It’s less an opinion and more about reading tea leaves so save me the misplaced outrage.
Yes, and?
You quote it like I’m saying Schroder is the messiah (yet another point misinterpreted). When in reality, all you’re up in arms about is me simply saying we wouldn’t have a good backup PG option if Carter and Monk are shipped out for Kuminga.
You’re right. What an absolutely radical take by me! How could anyone have the audacity to make such a claim? The gall that person has!
I’m not saying your take is wrong I’m saying the front office is and more likely ownership pushing this nonsense
If we trade Carter/monk for Kuminga then he better become a star that’s a lottery pick and a good player in his 20’s for a free agent. I like his potential but why is GSW not playing him and Kuminga saying he should be a top option when curry is there is concerning. Kuminga has basically made it clear he doesn’t wanna be there that’s why my stance on giving them Carter is like this. They won’t pay him what he wants and he doesn’t wanna be there no other team would give up a lottery picked player and a good young player in monk in this situation. Perry tweeted that be patient tweet that should apply to this Kuminga isn’t a star to give up what they want if it was garland then ya go ahead
serbiangoat
Starter
The Kings should move on from Kuminga unless it's for scraps or a straight Monk swap or Keon and filler swap, keep Carter/1sts/this years pick for more talented guys like Scottie Barnes (if Toronto goes bad again) someone with actually creative skills which the team needs from a wing since Keegan/Keon/Carter/Clifford all are good at what they do but really lack natural talent in the ability to create for themselves at a high level.
Other players I would rather try get if things go bad for there teams is Trey Murphy III, hell even Zion. It's a last roll of the dice for a number of teams as they are built this year imo like Clippers/Lakers/GSW and more these teams will get desperate it very well could be the last Sabonis season if things go south.
Unless you think Kuminga is Jalen Brown 2.0 than zero need to rush
Other players I would rather try get if things go bad for there teams is Trey Murphy III, hell even Zion. It's a last roll of the dice for a number of teams as they are built this year imo like Clippers/Lakers/GSW and more these teams will get desperate it very well could be the last Sabonis season if things go south.
Unless you think Kuminga is Jalen Brown 2.0 than zero need to rush
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Joshyjosh31
Starter
You should’ve lead with this
It's like saying Beetlejuice three times...
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