Potential Free Agent/Trade/Sign Tracker, '25-'26 Season

I think Simmons emotionally would fare better on a small market team like Sacramento. It’s what I have read about his physical health, back issues mostly, that concerns me.
If the latter checks out okay, I wouldn’t be against bringing him in. He certainly could fill a need.
 
It's been 4 years since Simmons played good basketball. I think he's pretty much cooked from an on court standpoint and that doesn't even include all his other issues. I think I'd rather just run with our current roster if we can't get a player that can be a part of the future.
 
ESP47 said:
It's been 4 years since Simmons played good basketball. I think he's pretty much cooked from an on court standpoint and that doesn't even include all his other issues. I think I'd rather just run with our current roster if we can't get a player that can be a part of the future.
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It feels stupid typing this, but I'd honestly rather give IJ 15 MPG next season in a consistent back-up role to see how he develops than screw around with Ben Simmons. While it's unlikely IJ develops into a future starter... there's maybe a chance there. He's still a mystery box.

Our priority should be trying to unlock swing players that can elevate this team into an actual playoff constant. Not a depth option that just takes minutes away from those guys
 
Ben Simmons would be a minimum player with less role than Fultz had last season. Still he's 28 and if he somehow could return to form by virtue of being in a low profile, small market team with zero expectations he could have a good run in him.

My only issue is that if he actually worked out for us we'd probably lose him the following season and this team is nowhere near where it needs to be to compete. Also I wouldn't want to rehab him at the expense of player development. Still its intriguing on a minimum.
 
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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma & Tyler Smith
Why for MIL? With Lillard hurt/gone, the Bucks don't have a powerful scorer behind Giannis. DeRozan gives them just that and can help keep the team afloat while Giannis is resting.

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis
C - Turner / Sims

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TOR Gets: Malik Monk, Dario Saric, & Terrence Davis
TOR Gives: RJ Barrett
Why for TOR? The Raptors have been rumored to be interested in Monk. He gives them a solid backup PG behind Quickley while opening up the wing spots for Dick, Walter, & Agbaji to get some burn.

PG - Quickley / Monk / Shead
SG - Dick / Walter / Davis / Temple
SF - Ingram / Agbaji / Battle / Lawson
PF - Barnes / Murray-Boyles / Castleton / Saric
C - Poeltl / Mamu / Mogbo

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SAC Gets: RJ Barrett, Kyle Kuzma, & Tyler Smith
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, Dario Saric, & Terrence Davis
Why for SAC? The Kings clear out their log jam a bit by sending out Monk, and they also send out DeRozan who's not the best fit with the core/direction moving forward. In exchange, they get a 25 year old wing (Barrett) who can do a little bit of everything (score, pass, handle, shoot, etc.) while also getting a PF/SF in Kuzma to give them some more depth & size in the frontcourt. Tyler Smith is also a decent throw in as someone that you hope could carve out a role as a long, athletic, 3&D PF (which would be a great fit next to Sabonis). Financially, this has us basically taking on almost no additional salary (~$600k) and both Barrett and Kuzma expire in 2 years which aligns with when LaVine & Schroder expires. We'd be setup to have a lot of flexibility during the 2027 offseason.

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis
SF - Barrett / Clifford
PF - Murray / Kuzma / Jones / Smith
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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Kingz19 said:
i hope we get Ben Simmons over Russ/Brogdan.

Partially because I’m a Simmons truther and have wanted him for years. I still think he’s the right situation away from finding his new role as a valuable contributor(not being an all star again, but a really good role player)

plus, he fits with the current make up of the roster. Especially if Raynaud is number 2 behind Domas. There is less pressure on Simmons to be a floor spacer in a second unit. His point forward ability and defensive versatility covers a lot of the current needs of the Kings in one likely cheap acquisition.

I would be very happy with that pick up. It would show some imagination, projection, and theory that I think has been lacking with the front office decisions for years now.

Meaning I don’t think they look at players like PJ Washington for example in his Charlotte form and see him as what he would ultimately be in Dallas. Or Gafford. And so on. Just what they see is what it is.

I’m not opposed to Russ or Brogdan but it doesn’t seem like a move that much thought was put into.
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I'm opposed to Russ and Brogdan. I don't know if Ben Simmons even moves the needle, but that is at least a speculative add if you don't pay more than minimum
 
The_Jamal said:
It feels stupid typing this, but I'd honestly rather give IJ 15 MPG next season in a consistent back-up role to see how he develops than screw around with Ben Simmons. While it's unlikely IJ develops into a future starter... there's maybe a chance there. He's still a mystery box.

Our priority should be trying to unlock swing players that can elevate this team into an actual playoff constant. Not a depth option that just takes minutes away from those guys
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I agree. I'm lower on IJ than most but he does have some intriguing skills. He has a really good finishing ability at the rim for a guy who hasn't played a whole lot of basketball in his life. I'd say it's even elite for an undrafted player. Lets just take a look at him since the team isn't going places anyway.

If we were a solid 6th seed and needed a backup wing/PF and Simmons was available, I'd have no problem taking a look at him.
 
SacTownKid said:
If the Kings are going full on retread Simmons should be the guy.
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Tell me again why the Kings need Ben Simmons (or Westbrook or Brogden)? Does the new front office have a thing for former no. 1 picks, just like the old one? Another question: what kind of physical shape is Ben Simmons in now, since he reportedly has a chronic back problem?
 
Caccia said:
Tell me again why the Kings need Ben Simmons (or Westbrook or Brogden)? Does the new front office have a thing for former no. 1 picks, just like the old one? Another question: what kind of physical shape is Ben Simmons in now, since he reportedly has a chronic back problem?
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In my mind the argument for it would be that our roster construction is still missing a bit of defensive size and connecting pieces. If we are going to maximize guys like Deebo, Lavine and Keegan you need to have passers, defenders and spacers. Whether people like it or not, the Kings are going to at least attempt to win this season before a likely retooling. Simmons on a 1 year deal would be ok with me. Teams are loading up on depth due to pace and injuries. Team trying to win are 2 deep at all 5 positions now plus development pieces below them.
 
iowamcnabb said:
In my mind the argument for it would be that our roster construction is still missing a bit of defensive size and connecting pieces. If we are going to maximize guys like Deebo, Lavine and Keegan you need to have passers, defenders and spacers. Whether people like it or not, the Kings are going to at least attempt to win this season before a likely retooling. Simmons on a 1 year deal would be ok with me. Teams are loading up on depth due to pace and injuries. Team trying to win are 2 deep at all 5 positions now plus development pieces below them.
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It will still be missing both when he's not available. He's a wasted roster spot. Even if he plays well there's no guarantee he will be available when he's really needed.
 
So uh.. In your guys opinion did Carter do enough to earn minutes? He struggled as a pg in summer league, I think idea of him playing pg this year is dead. So as long as Deebo/LaVine/Keon are on the roster, its hard seeing minutes for Carter this year.

Schroder (28) Monk (24)
LaVine (34) / Keon (20)
Demar (34) / Nique (10)
Keegan (34) / Jones (12)
Sabonis (34) / Eubanks (10)

This is my guess to start the season. We are going to be playing really small at times with Demar getting a few minutes at the 4 spot and LaVine playing some 3. Doesn't feel like nearly enough minutes for Keon and Nique are available. Really hoping that they get some minutes at the expense of Zach and Demar, but I already came down from the 36-37mpg they both played last year. Still thinking a trade is absolutely necessary before the season. Really not excited for Schorder - Monk - LaVine - Demar - Sabonis lineups that I know will happen.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
So uh.. In your guys opinion did Carter do enough to earn minutes? He struggled as a pg in summer league, I think idea of him playing pg this year is dead. So as long as Deebo/LaVine/Keon are on the roster, its hard seeing minutes for Carter this year.

Schroder (28) Monk (24)
LaVine (34) / Keon (20)
Demar (34) / Nique (10)
Keegan (34) / Jones (12)
Sabonis (34) / Eubanks (10)

This is my guess to start the season. We are going to be playing really small at times with Demar getting a few minutes at the 4 spot and LaVine playing some 3. Doesn't feel like nearly enough minutes for Keon and Nique are available. Really hoping that they get some minutes at the expense of Zach and Demar, but I already came down from the 36-37mpg they both played last year. Still thinking a trade is absolutely necessary before the season. Really not excited for Schorder - Monk - LaVine - Demar - Sabonis lineups that I know will happen.
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That Schroder (28) is depressing to look at. Hopefully he doesn't play that many minutes.

It's really more about putting in the time to develop the guy. I don't think anyone thinks that DC is better than Monk, LaVine, Keon etc. It's more about developing him for the future rather than playing better players that still aren't good enough to get us into the playoffs.

DC's defense is NBA ready. It's his offense that needs work. He would really benefit by studying McCollum to see how he operates in the paint. You can tell DC doesn't know what to do half the time he's in the paint. He's good at beating his defender at the 3pt line but needs to develop the skills to beat the defender closer to the rim as well. Justin Jackson style floaters are a low percentage shot compared to the players that are either laying the ball up off the backboard or drawing fouls.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
So uh.. In your guys opinion did Carter do enough to earn minutes? He struggled as a pg in summer league, I think idea of him playing pg this year is dead. So as long as Deebo/LaVine/Keon are on the roster, its hard seeing minutes for Carter this year.

Schroder (28) Monk (24)
LaVine (34) / Keon (20)
Demar (34) / Nique (10)
Keegan (34) / Jones (12)
Sabonis (34) / Eubanks (10)

This is my guess to start the season. We are going to be playing really small at times with Demar getting a few minutes at the 4 spot and LaVine playing some 3. Doesn't feel like nearly enough minutes for Keon and Nique are available. Really hoping that they get some minutes at the expense of Zach and Demar, but I already came down from the 36-37mpg they both played last year. Still thinking a trade is absolutely necessary before the season. Really not excited for Schorder - Monk - LaVine - Demar - Sabonis lineups that I know will happen.
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Gave it a like because as our roster stands think that’s pretty accurate.
Looking forward to the following year when Zach and Demar should be easier to move.
 
ESP47 said:
That Schroder (28) is depressing to look at. Hopefully he doesn't play that many minutes.

It's really more about putting in the time to develop the guy. I don't think anyone thinks that DC is better than Monk, LaVine, Keon etc. It's more about developing him for the future rather than playing better players that still aren't good enough to get us into the playoffs.
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I want to be clear, that isn't my ideal rotation. That is my guess for whats going to be. Since 16-17 Schroder has played between 28-32mpg. I can't imagine we paid him to be the starter and plan to give him less. He played 25mpg off the bench for Detroit last year.

If I had my say, I'd cut most the starters down significantly. I'd tell LaVine/DeRozan in order to maximize their roles they cant share the floor together. I still can't find mins for Carter, unless you think its best to cut Monk out the rotation. But Monk has earned/deserves those mins imo. He isn't the problem. Around the deadline hopefully a DeRozan and/or Monk deal happens, and thats where Carters mins come. But even before then he would be first in line for any injury.

Schroder (24) Monk (24)
Keon (28) Nique (20)
LaVine (24) DeRozan (24)
Keegan (33) Jones (15)
Sabonis (33) Maxime (15)

This is how Cleveland played last year. Nobody above the low 30s, tons of guys getting 20+. Fresh legs + development for our guys would be my preference. Squint and see 3 good defenders in that starting lineup. You see good bench scoring Monk/DeRozan played good together without Lavine, Nique compliments them as Keon did last year, and Maxime stretches the floor for them.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
So uh.. In your guys opinion did Carter do enough to earn minutes? He struggled as a pg in summer league, I think idea of him playing pg this year is dead. So as long as Deebo/LaVine/Keon are on the roster, its hard seeing minutes for Carter this year.

Schroder (28) Monk (24)
LaVine (34) / Keon (20)
Demar (34) / Nique (10)
Keegan (34) / Jones (12)
Sabonis (34) / Eubanks (10)

This is my guess to start the season. We are going to be playing really small at times with Demar getting a few minutes at the 4 spot and LaVine playing some 3. Doesn't feel like nearly enough minutes for Keon and Nique are available. Really hoping that they get some minutes at the expense of Zach and Demar, but I already came down from the 36-37mpg they both played last year. Still thinking a trade is absolutely necessary before the season. Really not excited for Schorder - Monk - LaVine - Demar - Sabonis lineups that I know will happen.
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I think he acquitted himself well in SL. Got better every game and started making really good decisions in the last 2 games. He's not polished, not even close, but you see all the tools and how he can be great.

Unfortunately, I think you're right that instead of prioritizing development for guys who can be on the next great Kings team, we're going to waste our time with a core that's maxed out at like 43-44 wins.

Probably our biggest hope is we're 10+ games under .500 by the deadline and we just turn the team over to the young guys and firesale some of the vets. Otherwise... man
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I want to be clear, that isn't my ideal rotation. That is my guess for whats going to be. Since 16-17 Schroder has played between 28-32mpg. I can't imagine we paid him to be the starter and plan to give him less. He played 25mpg off the bench for Detroit last year.

If I had my say, I'd cut most the starters down significantly. I'd tell LaVine/DeRozan in order to maximize their roles they cant share the floor together. I still can't find mins for Carter, unless you think its best to cut Monk out the rotation. But Monk has earned/deserves those mins imo. He isn't the problem. Around the deadline hopefully a DeRozan and/or Monk deal happens, and thats where Carters mins come. But even before then he would be first in line for any injury.

Schroder (24) Monk (24)
Keon (28) Nique (20)
LaVine (24) DeRozan (24)
Keegan (33) Jones (15)
Sabonis (33) Maxime (15)

This is how Cleveland played last year. Nobody above the low 30s, tons of guys getting 20+. Fresh legs + development for our guys would be my preference. Squint and see 3 good defenders in that starting lineup. You see good bench scoring Monk/DeRozan played good together without Lavine, Nique compliments them as Keon did last year, and Maxime stretches the floor for them.
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Derozan isn’t coming off the bench
 
The_Jamal said:
I think he acquitted himself well in SL. Got better every game and started making really good decisions in the last 2 games. He's not polished, not even close, but you see all the tools and how he can be great.

Unfortunately, I think you're right that instead of prioritizing development for guys who can be on the next great Kings team, we're going to waste our time with a core that's maxed out at like 43-44 wins.

Probably our biggest hope is we're 10+ games under .500 by the deadline and we just turn the team over to the young guys and firesale some of the vets. Otherwise... man
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Im skeptical about Carter. I see a long term backup 2 guard, hard to find a world we can long term find rotation minutes for him, Keon and Nique, I do think hes the odd man out but we will see.

Agree on your 2nd point. I could sadly even see Saric getting Jones mins out the gate which is gross, just hoping summer league was enough to get him his spot.

I also agree on your last point. I'd say its more than likely looking at the west. My hope is that they make that decision in January.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
So uh.. In your guys opinion did Carter do enough to earn minutes? He struggled as a pg in summer league, I think idea of him playing pg this year is dead. So as long as Deebo/LaVine/Keon are on the roster, its hard seeing minutes for Carter this year.

Schroder (28) Monk (24)
LaVine (34) / Keon (20)
Demar (34) / Nique (10)
Keegan (34) / Jones (12)
Sabonis (34) / Eubanks (10)

This is my guess to start the season. We are going to be playing really small at times with Demar getting a few minutes at the 4 spot and LaVine playing some 3. Doesn't feel like nearly enough minutes for Keon and Nique are available. Really hoping that they get some minutes at the expense of Zach and Demar, but I already came down from the 36-37mpg they both played last year. Still thinking a trade is absolutely necessary before the season. Really not excited for Schorder - Monk - LaVine - Demar - Sabonis lineups that I know will happen.
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None of the young guys are getting any minutes at this point. Or very few. For the first few months it'll probably be like last year where some guys play for a while then sit for no good reason. Keon, Carter, Jones, Lyles, etc. all got that last year. For this to make any sense all the onus is on the vets plain and simple. Win or go bye bye. Rebuild time after that and youth minutes won't be an issue at that point. Time to do this the right way.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
Im skeptical about Carter. I see a long term backup 2 guard, hard to find a world we can long term find rotation minutes for him, Keon and Nique, I do think hes the odd man out but we will see.

Agree on your 2nd point. I could sadly even see Saric getting Jones mins out the gate which is gross, just hoping summer league was enough to get him his spot.

I also agree on your last point. I'd say its more than likely looking at the west. My hope is that they make that decision in January.
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The problem is he looks like he's two years away from being a consistent backup two guard. I'd be surprised if he's still here after the trade deadline.
 
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