Post-mortem: Grade the trades (revisited)

[VF21]

Okay, we had a poll yesterday before we knew everything that was going to eventually take place. So, know that the dust has settled, let's revisit it...

If you had to give Petrie a grade for the personnel actions he took in the past few days leading up to the trade deadline yesterday, what would it be?

 

[Spike]

I think a lot of good was accomplished, salary-wise, even with Nocioni's contract. I'm a little bummed that we weren't able to bring in young (non-dysfunctional) talent/picks or unload KT's contract, which is why I graded him a C.
I like the addition of Nocioni, because I think he's a scrapper - a dirty work sort of dude who has a good inside/outside game. I think you need veteran leadership in a rebuild anyways, so I'm hoping he'll be a good fit in this regard.
I also like the fact that most of the contracts are enders, but the threat of a Gooden long term deal worries me. Hopefully, Petrie gets the chance to see that Gooden isn't the guy we want/need.
Other than that, we can't fault the guy for what he did during these economic times.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Honestly, I still gave him an F.

Call me harsh, but reports from the Bee say the Kings were the ones to reject Nocioni trades. If that Boston rumor was true, and we declined it, thatd be rediculous.

That and the fact that we traded for Noch in the first place. In the process trading our best all around player in Salmons. If im tading Salmons for strictly CapSpace, then Im not taking back a SF that is going to block Greene. Plus everyone here knows about the long term ness of Andres contract.

According to every report, there were multiple rumors about different trades for salmons and miller were we could pick up some young players or picks. And all signs point to us not doing that because we like Nocioni THAT much.Unbelievable.

I also really didnt like how we handled Bobby Brown. When he played he played well, and then he just lost his playing time for no reason. I really like what I saw from him, and we just threw him away for two players we wont need.

If we ever lose those second round picks, than that was stupid too.

If Gooden starts over Hawes or Thompson at any point this season, F-.

However, if we can pick up Sessions with this extra money, I reserve the right to change my answer

 

[gunks]

Methinks Hawes gained PT and Thompson is going to lose some with Gooden.

If we just let Drew expire then I guess I'd give Petrie a C. But if we resign him then an F. And hasnt it been rumored forever that Petrie loves Gooden?


Also, Salmons was not a contract that needed a panic moving. We could have gotten better for him.


We cleared cash, which will help in the FA market. But we didnt get ANY rebuild type of players. The Noc deal stinks too.

So as of now I give it a D.

 

[jimbodan]

I'd give a D with the possibility of maybe a C. Dumping Miller and Salmons was good, taking on Nocioni was bad, as well as not getting any real promising youngsters (Diogu and McCants might do something but I wouldn't call either of them promising). The other moves really didn't accomplish much. On the plus side we did for the most part get expiring contracts.

I would have much prefered Petrie to dump Miller for pure expirings and be able to get expirings and at least 1 late first round pick for Salmons. Based on other deals and rumors I don't feel like that would be asking too much. We now have 3 players with basically unmovable contracts (Beno, K9, Nocioni) Miller would have been an expiring next year and would have been much more easy to deal if we had waited, Salmons we should have gotten more for.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Early analysis I think I'd give Petrie a C. Not a big fan of Nocioni's contract, but Brad and Salmons had to go. It was time to blow it up.

Though, I think depending on how well Nocioni plays for the rest of the year will determine how well we truly did in this trade, since Petrie seems to be high on him.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Honestly, I still gave him an F.

Call me harsh, but reports from the Bee say the Kings were the ones to reject Nocioni trades. If that Boston rumor was true, and we declined it, thatd be rediculous.

That and the fact that we traded for Noch in the first place. In the process trading our best all around player in Salmons. If im tading Salmons for strictly CapSpace, then Im not taking back a SF that is going to block Greene. Plus everyone here knows about the long term ness of Andres contract.

According to every report, there were multiple rumors about different trades for salmons and miller were we could pick up some young players or picks. And all signs point to us not doing that because we like Nocioni THAT much.Unbelievable.

I also really didnt like how we handled Bobby Brown. When he played he played well, and then he just lost his playing time for no reason. I really like what I saw from him, and we just threw him away for two players we wont need.

If we ever lose those second round picks, than that was stupid too.

If Gooden starts over Hawes or Thompson at any point this season, F-.

However, if we can pick up Sessions with this extra money, I reserve the right to change my answer

I highlighted this part because I agree 100% if that's true. I gave them a B because that. I still don't agree with him being on this team if that report is true. Once I get past that though I think we're in much better position then all of us realize with how much money we've shed (even though it could/should have been more). We'll see some stars at cheaper prices here in the future with franchises losing money. I think we'll be able to spend it on some really good players are shocking prices... I might have graded it a C now that I re-think it... Not moving Noci if we had the chance isn't a good move

 

[fnordius]

I'm not sure what I'd be grading him for, so I'm not going to try right now.

Most of what he did was to dump payroll, which I'm 100% sure the Maloofs wanted. But hanging onto Nocioni and his long contract kind of messed that up, so he probably deserves a B- from the Maloofs.

In terms of talent, I don't think we improved, we probably got worse. But we did clear out old guys and made a lot of room for new blood next year. Unfortunately, we probably won't be able to afford much beyond what the draft brings us, and will most likely end up scrambling to find guys like Justin Williams and Dontae Jones to fill out the roster for minimum. With only 8 players left on the roster after summer (assuming that Geoff doesn't make a huge blunder and re-sign Gooden), almost half the team is still TBA. He'd get a B+ for blowing up the clown (aside from Kenny, but that would be an A+ with highest honors sort of job), and a D+ or C- for the picks (none) and talent we got for the trades, but I'm going to have to give him an Incomplete from the fan perspective, until we know who our 7 new guys are. I can't really give a grade to half a team.

Given the harsh realities of the economy, I could maybe apply the grading curve a little and bring up his score a tad, but I don't know what I'd be bringing it up from, since I don't know what the grade is for.

From any perspective, it could have been better or worse. In the short term, it will undoubtedly be more interesting.

 

[vikinginferno]

I think many of you are overestimating Salmons. His stats seemed good, but he is not a team player and has a bad attitude. He was taking shots away from other players who could have done well with those shots. Now that he's gone we win a game and sadly I can actually see us winning more games from now on without him.

 

[Kingster]

If

I have to bend over backwards to give Petrie/Maloofs a D. They had to get a good young player for Salmons. They didn't. All the talk about salary cap reduction is predicated on the Kings actually using that money to get a quality FA during the summer. If you've noticed, all the announcers are using the key word, if. That's if the Maloofs actually want spend the money on a free agent or just pocket it. Given the news about the Maloofs financial situation, that is one huge mother

IF
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How can you get excited about trades bring you salary cap money when there is no assurance that it will get spent on a quality FA? And then from the posts in another section, the amount of money that they have available to spend on a FA isn't all that great. So, where's the beef?​

 

[theclash4u5]

Trading Brad for Gooden (essentially) was a great move, but taking back Noci definately made Petrie's "A" to "C". If Petrie would have swapped Noci to Boston, I would have been singing the praises of Petrie! One thing though, I think we are regret trading Miller because of his cap friendly 2010 contract. Just look at all the discussion over Wally's/Raef's HUGE ending contracts...everyone in the league wanted them, but in the end, both teams kept them for the savings.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Most people in Sac thought Miller, even though he wasn't an expiring until next year, had some value. Even to the point of being able to take K9 with him in a trade. Well, they were WRONG.

Forget the rumors and all the fantasy trade perdictions, it wasn't going to happen. So, we had to send Salmons with Miller to get rid of Miller. Fact of life. All we know for sure is that GP could make the deals he made or he could do nothing.

If he did nothing, our team salary would have been over the salary cap which is projected to be $57.3M by $5M, and using all of the MLE would have put us dangerously close to the Luxury Tax. We would have had the same roster minus MM,QD,BJ,&SW. With the addition of our three draft pick.

As the trades went down we have 7 returning guaranteed contracts plus Noc. Along with 3 draft picks that's an 11 man roster with a salary of approx $50M. And, based on the projected cap limit of $57.3M, we will have about $7M in cap space. But, the league min roster size is 13 players. So, we will have to sign a min of 2 more players using some of our cap space.

The major negative of the trades seems to be Noc's contract. We did clear a lot of cap space next year, but because Noc's contract extends several more years there is no savings if he plays out his contract in Sac. And, that is the point that will decide the ultimate success or failure to GP's trades. Now, if we are able to trade Noc in 2010, for talent or expiring then the trades GP made will not only have gained us cap space in 2009, but it will have also saved us the cost of Millers' contract in 2010, or about $12.3M.

I don't know if GP will use all the cap money or not, but it is absolutely certain that we will have 6 new players joining JT,Hawes, Martin, Cisco, Beno, Greene next season. And, that can only be viewed as a good thing.

 

[6th]

I'll not change my grade, at this point. I was happy that Geoff "blew it up." Now, if my if's come true, I will really like it.

 

[Heuge]

D...still.

 

[datamanwes]

I voted a B

Geoff blew up the team but still made us a bit tougher, He also gives us a look at a few young players and didn't screw up our chances at a high lottery pick. Plus he got rid of the players who either made it hard on the young guys to lead, (Miller)the bad influences on young players (Moore) or the me first players (Salmons). In order to turn around a losing culture these type of players need to be replaced. in addition our only long term addition, Andres is a piece that can be moved when we need to move him

Chemistry is a funny animal, You really can't predict it with a great degree of accuracy but we didn't have it the last couple of seasons. With some luck and a couple of good draft picks and who knows we could at the very least, next season have a decent year and be a player or two away from the playoffs and build our team from there

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I upgraded my D to a C, but it could very easily go back down. I feel like they have now set the expectations low enough where we can just focus on developing our long term prospects, but past moves gave me this same hope. Hopefully the draft will clear many things up.

 

[SacKings7]

I said C but I really should have said Incomplete because I think his real grade should come after what happens this summer

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

It's hard to say that any of these trades make us better. I don't see any of the free agents we might sign over the summer making up for the talent loss.

On the other hand, we're the worst team in the league, dramatic change is called for.