Players we should have Kept......

[Warhawk]

One of the best WHAT in the nba?

Ditto - what the heck are you talking about?

And nbrans, I agree. I too have said that they should have left Webber unprotected. There was NO way they would have taken on his salary, with the limitations placed on their salary structure.

 

[sauce-26]

If I remember correctly, Vlade played about 13 games for the Lakers the year after we let him go. WHY WOULD WE PAY A GUY TO SIT IN THE TRAINERS ROOM FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. As much as Vlade meant to this team, he was getting old and hurt and Petrie saw this and let him go instead of paying him to sit on the bench hurt.

 

[AleksandarN]

If I remember correctly, Vlade played about 13 games for the Lakers the year after we let him go. WHY WOULD WE PAY A GUY TO SIT IN THE TRAINERS ROOM FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. As much as Vlade meant to this team, he was getting old and hurt and Petrie saw this and let him go instead of paying him to sit on the bench hurt.

could be that he was one of biggest reasons for our great chemistry.

 

[Arkitect]

We would have had that chemistry for a season where we wouldn't have won anything anyway. I think Petrie made the right decision. Vlade was done after that year. We would have gotten a few games out of him and then he would of called it a career. Would have been a waste of money. Petrie has a knack for predicting when players are almost done and usually getting at least some value from them. The Webber move is still a little iffy to me, but I think it was the right decision. I can't really think of a situation where we lost players we should have kept. The only thing I regret is losing Bonzi and Mobley for nothing.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

Gerald Wallace and Ron Artest paired wouldn't be able to shoot a lick, but would complete destroy teams defensively in Pippen/Jordan fashion.

Did you just say Artest + Wallace = Pippen + Jordan or at the very least with similar result? That's probably the most ridiculous statement I've seen as of late.

 

[Entity]

If you would have read the post word for word you would have seen he compared them defensively. Offensively no but defensively i think they would even be better.

 

[RaY Z]

Did you just say Artest + Wallace = Pippen + Jordan or at the very least with similar result? That's probably the most ridiculous statement I've seen as of late.

clearly he did not... he just said in a jordan/pippen "fashion" on DEFENSE.... similar style, not the same or a replica of the great scottie and mj combination...

kinda like saying comparing kobe to jordan...

but jordan kicks his *** all the way to uranus...

 

[tyrant]

shouldve kept hedo and keon clark

 

[Entity]

I don't know Keon hasn't played since he left and i don't think he is even on a team now. As far as hedo goes. He and Garcia are tit for tat except Hedo don't play as good of defense and Garcia is a better ball handler.

 

[Merdiesel]

Chris Webber.

Exactly.


Worst trade in Kings history.

 

[Kingzrool]

I miss BJax! He was fun to watch last night. What a classy player.

 

[tyrant]

i agree. though webber was injured he still dished out 19-8 and 5. we got 3 scrubs. that trade was so dumb. he still was productive. we got rid of skinner, corliss doesnt play and kenny thomas is a cry baby.

 

[AriesMar27]

Your history isn't correct. The Kings didn't leave Gerald Wallace unprotected in order to keep Anthony Peeler. Peeler was a free agent and the Kings didn't protect him. What some on Kingsfans.com think is that Peeler should have been signed to an extra year solely to protect Gerald Wallace. Nevermind that we don't know if Peeler would have signed for an extra year for the amount we were paying him, nor do we know if keeping Gerald Wallace would have led to him becoming the player he is now.

But the decision wasn't Wallace vs. Peeler. The real decision was Webber vs. Wallace. I think the Kings should have left Webber unprotected, protected Wallace and dared the Hornets to take on Webber's salary, but that's just me.

You also make a major, major leap by assuming we could have traded Christie for Bonzi. Um, why? You must have missed the fact that Christie never really played for the Magic. Petrie traded him at the absolute perfect moment, when the Kings got SOMETHING for him -- half a season from Mobley and an expiring contract -- rather than having to pay him to be injured for another year. Had he waited until the offseason it would have been apparent to the Grizzlies that Christie was broken down and there's no way they would have given up Bonzi just to pay Christie's salary.

you are right about doug... but peeler was protected, then he opted out of his contract...

 

[nbrans]

you are right about doug... but peeler was protected, then he opted out of his contract...

The rules for the expansion draft were that since Peeler had an option, if the Kings chose to leave him unprotected in the draft they would have also had to leave another player unprotected -- so they basically just had to protect Peeler. The choice wasn't Wallace vs. Peeler, the choice was Weeber, Christie or Wallace.

 

[Bricklayer]

The rules for the expansion draft were that since Peeler had an option, if the Kings chose to leave him unprotected in the draft they would have also had to leave another player unprotected -- so they basically just had to protect Peeler. The choice wasn't Wallace vs. Peeler, the choice was Weeber, Christie or Wallace.

And as mentioned in previous threads, THAT was precisely where Geoff ****ed up.

He knew the expansion draft was coming. Peeler should never have been given that option. You have to plan ahead, and with an expansion draft coming, locking the expendable vet in for a second year to use as fodder was clearly the way to go. And if Peeler for some reason did not want Yr #2 (unlikely in a player of that age, but maybe), there are 100 other guys of that level on the market every summer. We should just never have let that draft threaten any of our core or young prospects. Completely unnecessary.

In any case, this would be the complete direct line scoreboard from our title favorite 2002-03 team to our 8th seed sneak into the playoffs crew now. Its how you slide:

Vlade Divac --> N/A
Chris Webber --> Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson, Vitaly Potapenko
Peja Stojakovic --> Ron Artest
Doug Christie --> N/A
Mike Bibby
Bobby Jackson --> N/A
Hedo Turkoglu + Scot Pollard --> Brad Miller
Keon Clark --> N/A
Gerald Wallace --> N/A
Jim Jackson --> N/A
Damon Jones --> N/A

So out of all of that talent we get:
Divac, Webber, Peja, Christie, BoJax, Hedo, Pollard, JJax, Clark, Wallace, Jones
exchanged for
KT, Corliss, Pot, Artest, Miller

And that's why despite drafting pretty well in the late rounds, picking up midlevel FAs off busted deals, we're still playing catchup. We neither conserved our assets nor converted them into remotely equivalent talent. It remains a colossal thank god for the Artest trade, or the scorecard would be completely ridiculous.

 

[AriesMar27]

honestly, webber or doug should have been left unprotected... thats a gamble worth taking...

 

[calcrip420]

Webber is still better than K9 & Reef combined right now....Even with "one leg" Webber is still better....C-Webb loved Sac and the fans loved him, he brought an emotional balance to the team and crowd.....Thomas and Reef don't love Sac and the Team....they are throw aways from other teams really...Web had a thing going w/ Bibby and Brad....K9 and Reef are just fill in and they can't pass nearly as well as C-Webb...

 

[nbrans]

And as mentioned, THAT was precisely where Geoff ****ed up.

He KNEW the expansion draft was coming. Peeler should never have had that option. You have to plan ahead, and with an expansion draft coming, locking the expendable vet in for a second year to use as fodder was clearly the way to go. And if Peeler for some reason did not want Yr #2 (unlikely in a player of that age, but maybe), there are 100 other guys of that level on the market every summer. We should just never have let that draft threaten any of our core or young prospects. Completely unnecessary.

Yeah, here's where the debate lies.

You make it seem as if Peeler would have leaped at a guaranteed year two, but he HAD a year two at his option, and he still opted out of his deal. A second year was not an incentive from Peeler's perspective, he thought he was playing for his last contract and wanted that option on the second year.

And I seriously don't think there was a better option available that summer. Don't forget that the Kings were playing for a championship that year -- are you suggesting they should have given up on having the best player possible coming off the bench in favor of protecting Gerald Wallace a year in the future? Hindsight is 20/20, and no one could have predicted that Peeler would get himself suspended for Game 7 vs. Minnesota, which may have cost the Kings the game -- had they won, you're talking WCF and shot at a championship vs. protecting a young player who wasn't getting any minutes anyway.

I just don't see it as a big blunder -- it would have been great to keep Wallace, but it wasn't worth having a subpar player off the bench in the last year the Kings were a threat.

 

[moradi420]

Webber is still better than K9 & Reef combined right now....Even with "one leg" Webber is still better....C-Webb loved Sac and the fans loved him, he brought an emotional balance to the team and crowd.....Thomas and Reef don't love Sac and the Team....they are throw aways from other teams really...Web had a thing going w/ Bibby and Brad....K9 and Reef are just fill in and they can't pass nearly as well as C-Webb...

not with mike and ron on the team with the ball most of the time, and now that kevins breaking out, webber would have a harder time fitting in with the team, and accepting that hes breaking down, he can accept a scondary role much better, since he plasying with a.i., i think we be worse if we had c-webb right now, reef is a helluv a player he just got injured, and he has a damn good contract, he harldy get paid anything, and even if his stats stay at 12 and 5 off the bench its still worth what we pay him

 

[Geoff]

honestly, webber or doug should have been left unprotected... thats a gamble worth taking...

You don't leave either your star player, or one of your most hustling players unprotected. No matter what logic you use to justify it, it's a huge diss to either one of them.