Players we should have Kept......
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supamari0
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I think Williamson, Potapenko, and Monia are all expiring contracts. Although KT has a bad contract that you'll have to deal with.
And Petrie signed Abdur-Rahim for god knows what reason. I remember thinking how smart the nets were for not picking him up and how ridiculous I thought it was for the Kings to take him. He's in the stage of rapid decline and you're stuck with him for quite a while.
When Sacto ditched Webber, I thought they were pretty much mailing it in and going all out to rebuild the team since they were trading the cornerstone of the team. Instead, management has decided to still try with a slew of mediocre power forwards and redundant signings.
So yes, in retrospect if I knew that Petrie wasn't going for a rebuilding effort then I too wouldve kept Webber because you're right what you have now just sucks. However, if he was aiming to rebuild then sending off Webber was the right move.
Entity
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Uhn you may know this but Webber is also an expiring contract
supamari0
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I thought he had two years left.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yeah, not until after next year.
So tops we save one year, and get polished turds in return. And that Webb contract is either singlehandedly going to chase Philly well under the cap when it comes off the books, or is the sort of thing that can land a significant player or players if that's how they play it. Its an instant rebuilding plan for somebody.
So tops we save one year, and get polished turds in return. And that Webb contract is either singlehandedly going to chase Philly well under the cap when it comes off the books, or is the sort of thing that can land a significant player or players if that's how they play it. Its an instant rebuilding plan for somebody.
Roman
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Decline or not - he's at the vet minimum isn't he? I hardly think that was a bad move, even if he sits on the end of the bench on the IR for the next 4 years.
Roman
Bench
Oh. Well, not so great a deal, but it still is pretty much peanuts. Of course, that's saying he's actually used. Heh.
I still say the Kings should either put him in the starting rotation or trade him. They could box him up with a Corliss and get something of value.
Oh? And just who would that player "of value" be? It's real easy to make those kinds of statements but, as we've watched recently, it's not always that easy to actually make something happen.
AleksandarN
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you could also look at what Chris did for the sixers aswell. I think they handicapped thier franchised with this trade aswell. It helped niether team IMHO. This trade was bad for both sides.
supamari0
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Precisely, you're not getting anything for SAR. The only thing a guy like Corliss is useful for is if other teams start dumping contracts you can use him in a trade since he's an expiring contract.
But SAR is garbage at this point on the market. He has a ridiculous contract and rapidly declining skills as a player which are two ingredients for a soon to be worthless contract that will make him a multi-million dollar paperweight.
I mean if you want Juwan Howard from us in houston, you can have him for Corliss alone but that's the kind of stuff you'll get. An overpaid, over-the-hill bigman. But seeing as how bad your power forward situation is, Juwan might actually be an upgrade, as scary as that sounds.
Say what now? What has Webber done that's been so bad for the 76ers? And why is it presumed that Webber's the problem? I mean, no quality NBA player has ever played well with Iverson, and given all of the players that were good before, good after, or, in some cases, good before and after Phila, the only common denominator in all cases is Iverson.
supamari0
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Webber has been reduced to Brad Miller esque jumpshots without any inside game. He's a defensive liability because he doesn't get any lift and his agility has virtually disappeared. And in today's era of mobile and quick power forwards, he routinely gets crushed against many of these power forwards. He's a shell of himself (pre-microfracture surgery) and is nowhere close to the 20+ million dollars owed to him. The only reason he's still putting up numbers is because he still takes a ton of shots. Outside of Iverson, there's no one on that team. Iguadala, who should step up, is still very hesitant to become a major player and Dalambert has been reduced to a defensive/rebounding presence. Webber is playing like juwan howard did in Orlando. A guy who put up good numbers and rebounds, but the moment he got shipped to a team where he wasn't the focal point, he fell like a rock and was exposed as an overpaid, over-the-hill big man.
That being said, the trade was still stupid. They got garbage for him and then somehow spun the story and claimed that this would better the team. Like I said, a trade like this should have signaled a rebuilding project. And if they were willing to rebuild it made sense because it meant that they could free up cap room faster by dealing Webber.
On a complete sidenote, its kind of scary that Amare Stoudamire is probably going to become Chris Webber. It's clear judging from preseason that he just doesn't have the lift and power that normally dominates his game. He's going to have to develop a reliable jump shot and good passing because he'll never dominate like he used to. Boy Phoenix got screwed by that one.
AleksandarN
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Let me ask you this then. What has the team done since the trade? I am not saying Webber is a bad player i am just saying that the trade has not worked out for either team.
They've been marginally better than they were before the trade: -.500 before, and .500 since. But my point wasn't that they've been good, it's that you should be pointing fingers at someone else if you're claiming that they've been handicapped.
nbrans
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They certainly are handicapped -- they're not any better with Webber at PF than they were with Kenny Thomas, and they can't move Webber because of his salary. Their cap is killed until Webber comes off the books. People talk of the benefits of having a big ender, but recent history has not shown a big ender to be particulalry valuable. They Sixers are stuck either trading AI or waiting until Webber's contract expires before they can improve the team. I'd say that's pretty handicapped.
AleksandarN
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They were handicapped with his salary though. That trade led them nowhere. They were neither a contender nor a rebuilding franchise. Basically wasted two years of their franchise. Atleast if we would of kept Webber we had enough talent around him to atleast contend for a couple of years we also had enough talent to trade to improve our team unlike the sixers who only had Webber Andrea and AI.
Phila already has enough talent: they may not be title contenders, but Webber, Iverson, Iguodala, Dalembert and Korver are good enough to be a playoff team.
Salary cap has surprisingly little to do with why that team isn't any good.
Salary cap has surprisingly little to do with why that team isn't any good.
AleksandarN
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I am sure the reason for trading Webber because they wanted a 7-8 seeded playoff team
That trade has failed for both teams. Each team thought that the trade would make an impact. It did not and wasted two years of each franchise. Also the salary cap has/had played a role in why that team is not good now. It delayed the rebuilding process in Philly. That team with Webber included did not bring them closer to a championship like alot felt when the trade was made.
The talent that they already have is good enough for a 4-5 seed; you're not going to convince me that Arenas, Jeffries, Butler, Jamison and Haywood are appreciably better than Iverson, Iguodala, Korver, Webber and Dalembert.I am sure the reason for trading Webber because they wanted a 7-8 seeded playoff team
They've already got enough talent to be better than they are; the salary cap isn't what holding them back. I contend that what's holding them back is Iverson.
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AriesMar27
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im with you on this one... webber comes off the books in 08 then iverson comes off in 09... the olny player that philly will have to re-sign is iggy in 08 unless he becomes restricted this season.... then they can save money by just matching whatever off he gets...
philly would have iggy, korver, dalembert and hunter undercontract when both webber and iverson are off the books and will have enough lottery picks and money to build a contending team....
the kings would still have thomas, miller and reef.... for 1 more year....
LA King Fan II
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Hmmm. Can't complain on who was let go. Can complain about who was brought in. Obviously what follows is my opinion.
If Webber was going to be our best player we could not win a title. He was no longer a star player. He no longer meshed with Peja. There was a moment, a long moment actually where perhaps Peja was going to be the better player and/or team guy. The webber surgery year, Peja looked all pro the first half. He didn't happen. Peja flamed out on star status following the Minny series.
Hedo and Wallace were given their shots. Real shots. Wallace could not shoot. He was exciting to watch. Talented. Not worthy of starting at #2 guard or ahead of Peja at #3. Needed more than 8th man minutes. Hedo was very good in our memorable laker series. He seemed on the brink of usurping Peja. Walton called him better at one point early on. I sort of agreed. He was given a shot. A good player, but he didn't improve.
Vlade. Wait. I forget if we really low-balled him or not. Hmm. Maybe we should have kept him. I have long since realized he was much more important to the Kings than i noticed when were truly a title threat. Yup I regret letting him go.
Bonzi was offered plenty. J-Dub was painful but correct. Bobby Jax ditto.
We are sitting with some guys we need to let go now, it'll be interesting to see. It might be painful, but in my opinion it's time to move Miller - Garcia or Martin and maybe even Bibby or Artest if the team is ever going to move back to title contention. Hopefully we'll bring in the right guys this time, so we won't be backtracking in 2008.
If Webber was going to be our best player we could not win a title. He was no longer a star player. He no longer meshed with Peja. There was a moment, a long moment actually where perhaps Peja was going to be the better player and/or team guy. The webber surgery year, Peja looked all pro the first half. He didn't happen. Peja flamed out on star status following the Minny series.
Hedo and Wallace were given their shots. Real shots. Wallace could not shoot. He was exciting to watch. Talented. Not worthy of starting at #2 guard or ahead of Peja at #3. Needed more than 8th man minutes. Hedo was very good in our memorable laker series. He seemed on the brink of usurping Peja. Walton called him better at one point early on. I sort of agreed. He was given a shot. A good player, but he didn't improve.
Vlade. Wait. I forget if we really low-balled him or not. Hmm. Maybe we should have kept him. I have long since realized he was much more important to the Kings than i noticed when were truly a title threat. Yup I regret letting him go.
Bonzi was offered plenty. J-Dub was painful but correct. Bobby Jax ditto.
We are sitting with some guys we need to let go now, it'll be interesting to see. It might be painful, but in my opinion it's time to move Miller - Garcia or Martin and maybe even Bibby or Artest if the team is ever going to move back to title contention. Hopefully we'll bring in the right guys this time, so we won't be backtracking in 2008.
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AriesMar27
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hedo got us miller... no problem...
jwill got us bibby... no problem...
wallace was left unprotected to protect anthony peeler... big problem...
whether he had his chance or not peeler should have been the one left unprotected... or maybe webber... there is no way they would have taken him, if they did we would have been better off with him off the books for nothing, lol....
doug got us mobley... slight problem...
bobby got us bonzi... slight problem...
if we hadnt traded doug for mobley we could have traded him for bonzi and kept bobby... if we had waited until the offseason to trade doug martin would have gotten more minutes... even if doug did get injured, with martin, evans and barnes i dont think we would have been any worse than we were with mobley....
webber got us thomas, corliss and skinner, then vtaly and monia i guess... sigh... yep.... keny thomas...
losing gerald was the beginning of the end...
oh well... life goes on and coaches get arrested... go kings...
jwill got us bibby... no problem...
wallace was left unprotected to protect anthony peeler... big problem...
whether he had his chance or not peeler should have been the one left unprotected... or maybe webber... there is no way they would have taken him, if they did we would have been better off with him off the books for nothing, lol....
doug got us mobley... slight problem...
bobby got us bonzi... slight problem...
if we hadnt traded doug for mobley we could have traded him for bonzi and kept bobby... if we had waited until the offseason to trade doug martin would have gotten more minutes... even if doug did get injured, with martin, evans and barnes i dont think we would have been any worse than we were with mobley....
webber got us thomas, corliss and skinner, then vtaly and monia i guess... sigh... yep.... keny thomas...
losing gerald was the beginning of the end...
oh well... life goes on and coaches get arrested... go kings...
nbrans
All-Star
Your history isn't correct. The Kings didn't leave Gerald Wallace unprotected in order to keep Anthony Peeler. Peeler was a free agent and the Kings didn't protect him. What some on Kingsfans.com think is that Peeler should have been signed to an extra year solely to protect Gerald Wallace. Nevermind that we don't know if Peeler would have signed for an extra year for the amount we were paying him, nor do we know if keeping Gerald Wallace would have led to him becoming the player he is now.
But the decision wasn't Wallace vs. Peeler. The real decision was Webber vs. Wallace. I think the Kings should have left Webber unprotected, protected Wallace and dared the Hornets to take on Webber's salary, but that's just me.
You also make a major, major leap by assuming we could have traded Christie for Bonzi. Um, why? You must have missed the fact that Christie never really played for the Magic. Petrie traded him at the absolute perfect moment, when the Kings got SOMETHING for him -- half a season from Mobley and an expiring contract -- rather than having to pay him to be injured for another year. Had he waited until the offseason it would have been apparent to the Grizzlies that Christie was broken down and there's no way they would have given up Bonzi just to pay Christie's salary.
Gary
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Wallace had all the potential in the world, and he wasted away on the bench. Not going to take it any further than that but the chances were greater on him becoming the player we thought he could be and the player is his in Charlotte, than a bench player his entire career.
Gerald Wallace wasn't going to improve here for the simple reason he wasn't going to see much PT. You can try and revise history all you like, but it's not about his talent. It's about his lack of work ethic, his attitude. etc. He went to Charlotte and got a new start. He was able to get the PT because ... hey, it was Charlotte.
Sometimes players leave teams and flourish elsewhere. Of all the fans in the NBA, I would think Kings fans would be the most aware of this.
Sometimes players leave teams and flourish elsewhere. Of all the fans in the NBA, I would think Kings fans would be the most aware of this.
moradi420
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i think ita great deal, one of th best on our team, and maybe one of the best in the nba.
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