Play to win or keep our pick?

[GQ_Gabriel]

I'm listening to Grant's show right now and a very important topic was touched on.

The Kings have two choices.

1. Hire a new coach who can inject some life into this franchise and play to win each game.

2. Ride out the season with Ty Corbin to keep our draft pick.

I don't think this franchise can AFFORD to go with option number 2 at this point. Fans are tired of being told to keep faith for the draft, it's hit or miss! AS STUPID AS IT SOUNDS (we're not making playoffs regardless, we've waited too long) because I know that winning an extra 10 games could lose us our pick, We need to make changes for the good of this team and if it means giving up our pick, then so be it. This goes beyond the basketball court. Our fans played a crucial part in keeping this team here and we deserve better than what we're seeing out there.


What option would you guys prefer?

 

[upinsmoke]

The team has taken on to much water imo. Smh.

 

[SacKings384]

Unless our draft pick results in someone as good or better than Boogie it's win now. Because we very well may lose him.

Boogie has gotten a taste of winning. With team usa, with malone at the beginning od the season, and soon to be at the all star game with guys that are winning games and in the playoffs.

Why would he want to stay at this point? He could literally go to probably any other team in the league and be on a more winning team. I'd challenge someone to find a team that would have a worse record than we would now under Corbin with boogie.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

Unless our draft pick results in someone as good or better than Boogie it's win now. Because we very well may lose him.

We don't know what the draft pick will result us with. That's the point. We need to play to win. Boogie is tired of the BS and doesn't care about the pick as he has a right to feel that way.

 

[fansinceday1]

Keep corbin and let this ride out is a non starter. NO WAY.
We all saw DMC after last nights game just sitting on the bench with that distraught look on his face. IMHO, DMC will not be here next year if we leave things be.

Plus, this is the NBA. Being one of the worst teams in the NBA guarantees nothing.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

Keep corbin and let this ride out is a non starter. NO WAY.
We all saw DMC after last nights game just sitting on the bench with that distraught look on his face. IMHO, DMC will not be here next year if we leave things be.

Co-sign. I share the same sentiment. They can NOT AFFORD to take that route.

 

[VF21]

We will not turn this around with another draft pick. With our luck, we'd get number 1, draft the top pick and he'd end up like Greg Oden.

We need to quit trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and get some veterans in here (including the coach) who can right the ship.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Tank with Corbin, unless you can get a real solid coach, then switch to growth and development.

Let's say you can get Karl, Karl comes in and says hey fellas, playoffs are not likely, so let's build up a solid foundation. Work on the little things and development, and hope you keep the pick but make some strides setting us up for next season.

 

[mac]

The team should be mobilised to help with arena construction, missing games if need be. After all, it's only the arena that matters right?

 

[Siranthony]

Whats wrong with getting a new coach now? Bring some life to this team. Start training for next season. I don't think we will start winning every game anyway. we can hire a new coach and have a decent chance to keep the pick. Really it's a no brainer. Hire a coach!

 

[206Fan]

I'd pick the "hire a new coach AND keep draft pick" option, but there isn't one..

We can turn this team around with a draft pick. If it's a top 5 pick, you're looking at D'Angello Russell, Emmanuel Muiday(Tyreke), Karls Town, and Ron Artest 2.0...Stanley Johnson. If you're in the top 7, there's Willey Cauley Stein(Best man's DeAndre Jordan) and Kristaphs Porzingis. Even if it's in the top the 8-10 area, there's Kelly Oubre, Mario Hezonja, Frank Kaminsky(bigger version of Ryan Anderson with a lot more offense), and Myles Turner.


All of the players I just named with an exception of maybe 1, would be ready and loaded to contribute on the Kings next year.

This draft is going to be good. If we get a top 5 pick, we're loaded for next season with the addition of someone like Karl.

Don't underestimate this draft class guys.

 

[Siranthony]

I like Myles turner and WCS at the 8 to 10 spot. Myles looks like a long athlete and good shooter. WCS is tall, looks like a good defender with hustle. He has room to grow also.

 

[kingsboi]

Last season and the year before I would of probably said tank for the draft pick...but the last couple of draft picks for the Kings have been pretty disappointing so I have no faith in this organization to develop their players or find any players that can contribute quickly. That being said, based on Cousins' post game remarks and disgust...this is a no brainer here, you need to do something to gain some momentum going into the offseason if you can.

 

[funkykingston]

Don't underestimate this draft class guys.

I have plenty of confidence in this draft class.

I have virtually no confidence in D'Alessandro's talent evaluation or this organization's ability to nurture a young player.

 

[stevetaebo]

I've always hated the idea of losing on purpose since just from an altruistic standpoint, I want to see personal improvement from players.

Vivek is all about ANALytics, so I'm pretty sure he knows that losing is advantageous in order to acquire talent. But we all know he wants Karl. But hiring Karl now will likely spark the team to win causing your 'tank' to blow. So as of right now, Corbin all the way.

One thing though is that our rotiserrie GM PDA needs to calm down and stop pubicly throwing around names to trade around. He's undermining his own young players(Nik) and he's blowing the main of rule of all good GMs: Keep your cards close to your chest

 

[The Hammer]

IF we had competent management, I'd say hire a good coach and head towards wins, now.

However I believe management needs to be taught a lesson, and I'm willing to have whatever happen to the W/L column and team chemistry to teach that lesson.

 

[rainmaker]

I'm not down with keeping our pick, hoping for a decent player in the draft or leaving who we would draft up to PDA. I also want the winning culture to start now, as in hire a respected and proven coach tomorrow, show Cuz our intent as a franchise is to win and get the ball rolling. Then surround him with better players this summer. But we simply cannot risk Rudy and Cuz checking out even more while chasing some ridiculous draft pick which might not even yield us a rotation player. And worse, could lead to Rudy and Cuz checking out of this franchise.

There's a lot on the line and the only way to insure the balance tips back in our favor of keeping Rudy/Cuz long term and them being committed to this team is to get a new coach in here now and start winning. When you have a top 5 player in the NBA, you don't play for draft picks. That's a fools errand. You do that, kiss your top 5 player goodbye.

 

[funkykingston]

Vivek is all about ANALytics, so I'm pretty sure he knows that losing is advantageous in order to acquire talent. But we all know he wants Karl. But hiring Karl now will likely spark the team to win causing your 'tank' to blow. So as of right now, Corbin all the way.

I'm pretty sure Ranadive does NOT want Karl. Or if he does want Karl that he's not willing to pay Karl's price tag.

I honestly don't think it was ever a plan to tank. I think they truly believed that firing Malone and replacing him with Corbin would somehow improve the team. I think they are that dumb and/or have that level of hubris.

Because if Vivek wanted Karl he'd already be signed since you can't count on him being available forever.

 

[206Fan]

I'm pretty sure Ranadive does NOT want Karl. Or if he does want Karl that he's not willing to pay Karl's price tag.

I honestly don't think it was ever a plan to tank. I think they truly believed that firing Malone and replacing him with Corbin would somehow improve the team. I think they are that dumb and/or have that level of hubris.

Because if Vivek wanted Karl he'd already be signed since you can't count on him being available forever.

I don't think Malone and the FO was on the same page.. and I don't think the FO thought they would get this type of reaction from both the players and fans. My only question is why did they think Ty Corbin was better than Malone?

 

[funkykingston]

I don't think Malone and the FO was on the same page.. and I don't think the FO thought they would get this type of reaction from both the players and fans. My only question is why did they think Ty Corbin was better than Malone?

They didn't. They thought he'd be more open to suggestions. That's the only conclusion I can reach since D'Alessandro, Ranadive and Mullin have no history with Corbin.

I think it was exactly what I said back at the time - essentially PDA and/or Mullin wailing to Vivek that Malone wouldn't coach the way they wanted. Except now I'm not all that convinced it wasn't Vivek that made the move to get a less "obstinate" coach.

The only other answer is that they thought Malone was such a huge liability that just getting him away from the team would be addition by subtraction. That seems like an impossibly dumb rationale, but then what else is there at this point?

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd pick the "hire a new coach AND keep draft pick" option, but there isn't one..

We can turn this team around with a draft pick. If it's a top 5 pick, you're looking at D'Angello Russell, Emmanuel Muiday(Tyreke), Karls Town, and Ron Artest 2.0...Stanley Johnson. If you're in the top 7, there's Willey Cauley Stein(Best man's DeAndre Jordan) and Kristaphs Porzingis. Even if it's in the top the 8-10 area, there's Kelly Oubre, Mario Hezonja, Frank Kaminsky(bigger version of Ryan Anderson with a lot more offense), and Myles Turner.


All of the players I just named with an exception of maybe 1, would be ready and loaded to contribute on the Kings next year.

This draft is going to be good. If we get a top 5 pick, we're loaded for next season with the addition of someone like Karl.

Don't underestimate this draft class guys.

I remember the same thing being said about this past draft class.

And it may be true for this one. It may. But its really besides the point. We're not there right now. New Orleans isn't worried about this draft class. Neither should we be. If you can convince a dumb team to give you their pick, hey fine. But we don't have those kind of assets. We jsut have to turn this, we're fineat the core. I am preparing a huge thread right now looking at that. A Boogie properly coached and surrounded by the right support personnel should be a 50 win guarantee. Maybe not a title without some other megastar, but I mean, who are we kidding. 50 wins is so far from where we've been talking title is like talking dating Kate Upton for us. Its just not even important. Turn this, get the coach, get the right support personnel, who don't require Top 10 picks, go as far as you can. Then we can wring our hands about missed opportunities (I already wring mine about Jimmer over Klay, TRob over Drummond/Lillard, Tyrke given away, Robin Lopez given away etc.).

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't think Malone and the FO was on the same page.. and I don't think the FO thought they would get this type of reaction from both the players and fans. My only question is why did they think Ty Corbin was better than Malone?

The answer to that query is the scary thing.

A franchise can survive anything playerwise even coachwise as long as the decisionmakers at the top are sound. They will fix it over time. But if they are the problem themselves...then you are really screwed until they either learn the hard way (fanbase attempting to teach them as we speak) or leave.

 

[206Fan]

I remember the same thing being said about this past draft class.

And it may be true for this one. It may. But its really besides the point. We're not there right now. New Orleans isn't worried about this draft class. Neither should we be. If you can convince a dumb team to give you their pick, hey fine. But we don't have those kind of assets. We jsut have to turn this, we're fineat the core. I am preparing a huge thread right now looking at that. A Boogie properly coached and surrounded by the right support personnel should be a 50 win guarantee. Maybe not a title without some other megastar, but I mean, who are we kidding. 50 wins is so far from where we've been talking title is like talking dating Kate Upton for us. Its just not even important. Turn this, get the coach, get the right support personnel, who don't require Top 10 picks, go as far as you can. Then we can wring our hands about missed opportunities (I already wring mine about Jimmer over Klay, TRob over Drummond/Lillard, Tyrke given away, Robin Lopez given away etc.).

I think NO is a much more rounded team than us. They're still in the playoff race for 8th seed, while the Kings are in the lottery race.. yet again. I was discussing someone about maybe potential off season moves, and I could care less about this pick if the FO can really find the perfect personnel around Boogie and get us a playoff team. The idea of Nik+1st round pick for Taj is an interesting idea, especially if the FO decides to make an all out push for contending. Splash trades and FA signings will be key to this off season.
I believe this draft pick will be a very important factor.
If we lose this pick, then we lose one of our biggest trading assets

 

[Bricklayer]

I think NO is a much more rounded team than us. They're still in the playoff race for 8th seed, while the Kings are in the lottery race.. yet again. I was discussing someone about maybe potential off season moves, and I could care less about this pick if the FO can really find the perfect personnel around Boogie and get us a playoff team. The idea of Nik+1st round pick for Taj is an interesting idea, especially if the FO decides to make an all out push for contending. Splash trades and FA signings will be key to this off season.
I believe this draft pick will be a very important factor.
If we lose this pick, then we lose one of our biggest trading assets

Actually, we gain as we much as we lose. This pick, and its encumbrances, have prevented us from trading any future round pick for 4 years now. And future firsts are a major currency in big deals.

 

[206Fan]

Actually, we gain as we much as we lose. This pick, and its encumbrances, have prevented us from trading any future round pick for 4 years now. And future firsts are a major currency in big deals.

It works if we trade with the Bulls. Let them convey our pick and have that done for, but at the same time, use it as a trading chip.

 

[Kingster]

If Vivek cleans house in the FO and coaching staff and replaces them with an outstanding brain trust, the issue of the 1st round pick becomes irrelevant. We need a great FO more than any other thing, by far!

 

[Bricklayer]

It works if we trade with the Bulls. Let them convey our pick and have that done for, but at the same time, use it as a trading chip.

Yes, it works if we trade with 1 team...as opposed to being able to trade with 30. Its tremendously restrictive. The one team, who knows you can only deal with them, has to want to make a deal, and isn't going to be inclined to give up too much in it since all you are doing is giving them an advance on a pick they will get eventually anyway.

I would be far more tempted to make a deal with the Bulls tommorrow saying here, we're taking the restrictions off, you get the pick this year in return for us getting Taj Gibson (or whatever). And then turn around and be free to make another deal before the deadline with our pick in 2017.

 

[whozit]

Yes, it works if we trade with 1 team...as opposed to being able to trade with 30. Its tremendously restrictive. The one team, who knows you can only deal with them, has to want to make a deal, and isn't going to be inclined to give up too much in it since all you are doing is giving them an advance on a pick they will get eventually anyway.

I would be far more tempted to make a deal with the Bulls tommorrow saying here, we're taking the restrictions off, you get the pick this year in return for us getting Taj Gibson (or whatever). And then turn around and be free to make another deal before the deadline with our pick in 2017.

The way this season has turned. The way the outside viewpoint towards this franchise has turned. They may be willing to deal on the "advance" rather than settle for the eventual 2nd round pick.

 

[HndsmCelt]

You might as well ask:
Get kicked in the jewels?
or
$5,000 cash?

 

[funkykingston]

Well, for those of you leaning towards tank mode, tonight's game will actually have some meaning. A loss to the Jazz gives the Kings a lower winning percentage and thus moves them into the 6th worst record. Two more games with the Jazz to cement that. Only one with Orlando, but if they have a dead coach bounce and put a streak together they could easily let the Kings tank their way to the 5th worst record. I don't think they have a shot at catching the Lakers, Sixers, Timberwolves or Knicks.

A 30% chance of a top 3 pick and a 59% chance of the 5th or 6th pick. That puts a lot of talented kids in play.

Frustrating that it's come to this. Hoping for salvation from the 8th coach in 9 seasons or the zillionth lottery pick in Sacramento history.