PJ Brown, Ben Gordon to Sac for Shareef and Vitaly???

[BRad1055]

This is a quote I found on insidehoops.com, it is just an idea from a writer from the chicago tribune:


"I've long liked Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He's starting at center now for the Kings with Brad Miller out, but he's had issues on the team with Kenny Thomas and his low-post scoring would fit well with (Ben) Wallace. Maybe they'd go for Brown and Gordon or Chris Duhon and you could take Vitaly Potapenko off their hands. And the Nuggets seem to have an excess of forwards and an annual need for a shooting guard. Luol? He's my man. He's not going anywhere." Chicago Tribune

 

[AleksandarN]

This is a quote I found on insidehoops.com, it is just an idea from a writer from the chicago tribune:


"I've long liked Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He's starting at center now for the Kings with Brad Miller out, but he's had issues on the team with Kenny Thomas and his low-post scoring would fit well with (Ben) Wallace. Maybe they'd go for Brown and Gordon or Chris Duhon and you could take Vitaly Potapenko off their hands. And the Nuggets seem to have an excess of forwards and an annual need for a shooting guard. Luol? He's my man. He's not going anywhere." Chicago Tribune

Why would we need Gordon when we clearly need a starting big not another sg

 

[NoBonus]

We would go for another SG because Kevin Martin is just not working out.... LOL!!!

 

[nbrans]

Two words: Sam Smith.

Four more words: Worst Sports "Journalist" Ever.

(Also, if this trade were actually on the table the Kings would be positively insane not to take it. But it's not. Sam Smith farts out these trade proposals every day.)

 

[BRad1055]

I would do the deal...

even though I highly doubt it is true. Imagine a lineup of:

PG: Bibby, Price
SG: Martin, Gordon
SF: Artest,Williamson, Garcia
PF: Thomas, Brown
C: Miller, Brown

 

[KingKong]

In a heartbeat... probably why it's a bunch of hogwash.

 

[Roman]

That's a smart trade for both teams.

Gives the Bulls the potential punch they need downlow and gives the Kings another young SG that has a lot of value and is a piece they can move easily.

Too bad I think it's hogwash.

 

[Sac.Kings]

if it was ben wallace instead of pj brown, i would do it (this is a joke). I would not trade SAR and Pot for an almost retired center in Brown and me first ben gordon. SAR had been doing good and we really need more big bodies and not SG's.

 

[supamari0]

Two words: Sam Smith.

Four more words: Worst Sports "Journalist" Ever.

(Also, if this trade were actually on the table the Kings would be positively insane not to take it. But it's not. Sam Smith farts out these trade proposals every day.)

B-I-N-G-O, Sam Smith is a joke. Just think the opposite of anything he says. Also, this trade is absurd. The Kings trade an over the hill Abdur Rahim and a worthless Vitaly for a former 6th man of the year and a still very servicable PJ Brown...

That almost makes some of the trade proposals people here come up with look legit.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Still think the Bulls should do the Gordon/Deng/Brown for Iverson swap.

As for the Kings, tough call. Brown would make for a better center, and Gordon would be a great combo 1/2 guard scoring punch off the bench in the BJax mold.

 

[Roman]

B-I-N-G-O, Sam Smith is a joke. Just think the opposite of anything he says. Also, this trade is absurd. The Kings trade an over the hill Abdur Rahim and a worthless Vitaly for a former 6th man of the year and a still very servicable PJ Brown...

Over-the-hill SAR? The guy is 29.

The two pieces being moved would be SAR (frontcourt scoring) for Gordon (young, talented SG).

The Bulls need frontcourt scoring and the Kings could always use a young player they can move for pieces that fit our puzzle. Gordon would be nasty off the bench with Salmons.

 

[Smills91]

Personally a deal I think makes more sense between the two teams would be Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Jason Hart for Chris Duhon and Tyrus Thomas.

That gives the Kings more youth and some frontcourt athleticism who can block shots with a legit back-up PG and it gives the bulls a desperately needed inside scoring presence along with some balance of youth and veterans to take a shot at the title now. Right now I still think they're a year away from contending.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah you would have to do that if you were us, but it really is just a Gordon for Reef swap, with two enders thrown in. PJ might still be servicable for this year, but people underestiimate just how badly he has slipped in the last few -- as a starting center for the Hornets last year he was down to 7pts 7rebs and less than a block. Still has the length, leadership, and knows how to play, but he's not much anymore, and even if you wanted to try to resign him (I would expect him to head to a contender) he's only going to continue to slide right towards retirement at this point. So a one year patch of length in the frontcourt (and Sammy boy of course neglects to consider that the Bulls would then have a frontcourt with Reef as its tallest player).

And Gordon...well, he would finish the backcourt for us. I say finish rather than complete because the guy got himself considerably overrated in his first year has been struggling as a tweener ever since. But he'd be first guard off the bench/instant offense, and Bibby/Martin/Gordon would score as much as any trio of guards in the league. But that would mean Gordon and Salmons would eat ALL of the backup guard minutes at PG/SF/OG, and realistically Price/Cisco/Hart/Douby would all be pretty much done for us. No minutes, no role.

In any case, this is just one of Sam Smith's weekly musings --these things never have a basis in fact. Its always just him starting his own Personnel Forum thread and musing "how about this?"

 

[Bricklayer]

Personally a deal I think makes more sense between the two teams would be Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Jason Hart for Chris Duhon and Tyrus Thomas.

Well...certainly makes more sense for US.

But somehow I don't see Reef being traded straight up for the #2 pick in the draft at this point.

 

[Smills91]

Well...certainly makes more sense for US.

But somehow I don't see Reef being traded straight up for the #2 pick in the draft at this point.

Reef was a #3 PICK. Once you enter the NBA, the pick number is completely arbitrary. Reef gives the bulls what they need and with have both Nocioni AND Deng on the roster, Thomas is quite redundant. Reef is a better fit for his skillset and his experience.

 

[nbrans]

Reef was a #3 PICK. Once you enter the NBA, the pick number is completely arbitrary. Reef gives the bulls what they need and with have both Nocioni AND Deng on the roster, Thomas is quite redundant. Reef is a better fit for his skillset and his experience.

I really wish Paxon would go for it, but I don't think the Bulls would give up Thomas for anyone but Kevin Garnett. Thomas just has too much promise and Shareef, while not over the hill, is not enough.

 

[supamari0]

Over-the-hill SAR? The guy is 29.

The two pieces being moved would be SAR (frontcourt scoring) for Gordon (young, talented SG).

The Bulls need frontcourt scoring and the Kings could always use a young player they can move for pieces that fit our puzzle. Gordon would be nasty off the bench with Salmons.

You think way too highly of SAR. I'd take PJ Brown over SAR any day of the week. PJ can actually rebound and can hit the mid range jumper just as well as SAR. Oh yea, and his contract isn't a ridiculous long term deal like SAR's.

Oh and SAR is going down hill. Sorry buddy, but look at him when he was in Vancouver/Atlanta etc.. and where he is now. He's a shell of himself. He can't rebound anymore and doesn't have the explosive game he once has. He's been reduced to a barely functioning post game and some jump shots. Oh and the fact that he's regressing fairly quickly isn't good news. Once he gets to the tail end of his contract he'll be a multi-million dollar paperweight.

The Bulls do need some front court help but mostly at the center spot for depth. They're playing PJ at the center spot sometimes but he's really a power forward. Ben Wallace of course gets the majority of minutes there. And once Tyrus Thomas bulks up a little, he can play the power forward spot more effectively as well.

And while Gordon is somewhat redundant for the Bulls, they can get a hell of a lot more for him than SAR. Gordon is still on his rookie deal so he's a plus salary wise and he's still really young with plenty of room to improve. If they were dumb enough to make this trade, I hope the Chicago fanbase would call for Paxson's head.

 

[Sac.Kings]

does this have ANY credibility?

 

[Bricklayer]

does this have ANY credibility?

Short answer = no.

Sam Smith is at least normally pretty blatant about it -- doesn't make up secret sources like Vescey, just says "hey, what if we did this?" Just a journalist musing.

 

[Merdiesel]

Reef for Ben Gordon+PJ Brown... wow.

Complete BS... but what if... hmmm?..

 

[nbrans]

You think way too highly of SAR. I'd take PJ Brown over SAR any day of the week. PJ can actually rebound and can hit the mid range jumper just as well as SAR. Oh yea, and his contract isn't a ridiculous long term deal like SAR's.

Oh and SAR is going down hill. Sorry buddy, but look at him when he was in Vancouver/Atlanta etc.. and where he is now. He's a shell of himself. He can't rebound anymore and doesn't have the explosive game he once has. He's been reduced to a barely functioning post game and some jump shots. Oh and the fact that he's regressing fairly quickly isn't good news. Once he gets to the tail end of his contract he'll be a multi-million dollar paperweight.

It seems like there's a diconnect in your reasoning. You say SAR is going downhill... but PJ Brown is not exactly the fount of youth. Brown has declined considerably in the past few years and he's really struggling this year. You say SAR is a shell of his own self, but I really think that would apply more to PJ Brown. PJ's 37 and he's a warrior, but he's in the twilight of his career. Shareef is the better player.

 

[supamari0]

It seems like there's a diconnect in your reasoning. You say SAR is going downhill... but PJ Brown is not exactly the fount of youth. Brown has declined considerably in the past few years and he's really struggling this year. You say SAR is a shell of his own self, but I really think that would apply more to PJ Brown. PJ's 37 and he's a warrior, but he's in the twilight of his career. Shareef is the better player.

PJ is on the last year of his contract. Shareef is signed for several years. Chicago can use the cap space and get someone better on the market than Shareef.

Even if SAR is better now, its a bad long term investment.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

this would be a stellar deal for the kings. i'd do it in a heartbeat. of course we really don't have a need for BG since we're loaded at the guard spots. we could definitely package BG and a few other bad contracts to someone who could use BG. realistically, i don't see why chicago does this trade.

 

[Quincy8Douby]

sorry, i think gordon is a ton better than sar... i dont see why the bulls would do that. And we really dont need another sg... we already have kev.

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't know if I would do this. I like Gordon but I think Reef is more valuable to us.

 

[Roman]

Even if SAR is better now, its a bad long term investment.

You mentioned in another post about a ridiculously long contract, correct me if I'm wrong but he's making 5MM a year for the next 3 years (not including this year).

Those aren't bad figures at all.

Pretty hard to get a player of Shareef's level for 5MM, even if he has declined some.

 

[thelonegunman]

You mentioned in another post about a ridiculously long contract, correct me if I'm wrong but he's making 5MM a year for the next 3 years (not including this year).

Those aren't bad figures at all.

Pretty hard to get a player of Shareef's level for 5MM, even if he has declined some.

Exactly. That other guy has no clue what he's talking about. The Kings got SAR at a bargain basement price. He's on the books for 5.4M this year and will only make 6.6M during the final year of his current deal. That's a lot of money to you and me, but it's below average by NBA standards.

How many teams have a serviceable and experienced talent like Shareef locked up for 5 years with such a cap friendly contract?

 

[supamari0]

Exactly. That other guy has no clue what he's talking about. The Kings got SAR at a bargain basement price. He's on the books for 5.4M this year and will only make 6.6M during the final year of his current deal. That's a lot of money to you and me, but it's below average by NBA standards.

How many teams have a serviceable and experienced talent like Shareef locked up for 5 years with such a cap friendly contract?

On a team that lacks rebounding presence, its annoying to see SAR not rebound. I still think that his offense has been substantially limited to a subpar post game and jump shots and I still think he will continue to regress. The problem isn't his value now. (at 5 million right now, its still worth it, the problem is the length of the contract and the fact that down the road, this will be a problem)

Now you're right, its a good deal compared to the nonsense some guys are getting. (Nene and his 60 million dollar deal, Adonal Foyle, etc..) but he's not exactly a world beater and most importantly his skills will diminish.

And this isn't germane to the discussion at hand. In the case of Chicago, it would make more sense to let PJ's contract expire and then use the cap space to get someone on the market since they'll have plenty of it. They would actually have the money to go after a guy like Rashard Lewis, while being a subpar rebounder as well, has a much more potent offensive arsenal and he's still young. Also, while they have a glut at the guard spots, you can get a lot more for Ben Gordon then SAR. Since his contract is so small, you could easily parlay that into 1 or more lottery picks considering how desperate and stupid some teams are.

 

[Goo]

On a team that lacks rebounding presence, its annoying to see SAR not rebound. I still think that his offense has been substantially limited to a subpar post game and jump shots and I still think he will continue to regress.

By subpar I guess you mean below average? There is 30 teams and I guess 200s F/PF? By below average I guess there is 100s F/PF have better POST GAME than SAR.

The problem isn't his value now. (at 5 million right now, its still worth it, the problem is the length of the contract and the fact that down the road, this will be a problem)
Now you're right, its a good deal compared to the nonsense some guys are getting. (Nene and his 60 million dollar deal, Adonal Foyle, etc..) but he's not exactly a world beater and most importantly his skills will diminish.

Let said he average 14/7/3/1 from now on till the end of the contract, can you point me some PF(non rookie) that can give you that kind of production at 5m?

And this isn't germane to the discussion at hand. In the case of Chicago, it would make more sense to let PJ's contract expire and then use the cap space to get someone on the market since they'll have plenty of it. They would actually have the money to go after a guy like Rashard Lewis, while being a subpar rebounder as well, has a much more potent offensive arsenal and he's still young. Also, while they have a glut at the guard spots, you can get a lot more for Ben Gordon then SAR. Since his contract is so small, you could easily parlay that into 1 or more lottery picks considering how desperate and stupid some teams are.

The reason Gordon is expendable is because Sefolosha is rising and Gordon is super steaky. And why do they need Rashard Lewis? If they're going to make a trade it will be Gordon/PJ/picks for KG or PP, they have enough SG/SF.