Phil Jackson talk/rumors (merged)

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Kingsgurl said:
There you have it. Phil's relationship with Krause led to him leaving there (wanted more control) he thought he should have 'more of a say' than West, largely regarded as one of the best GMs ever.

RE: Krause, even worse. Not that Krause wasn't an egomaniac himself, but he literally chose to let the Bulls fall like a house of cards as long as it ensured that Phil was gone. He knew full well that the Bulls could've won another ring in 1999 because Jackson was willing to come back. If Jackson came back, it was highly likely that MJ and Pippen came back. He hated Jackson for his paranoid control over his locker room and his brainwashing all the Bulls into thinking of Krause as the enemy. He also restricted West from certain locker room discussions and practices.

RE: West. West had deals on the table for Baron and TMac before they were superstars. Jackson said no to both. He wanted Bryant traded in late 1999...before any ill-will between the two. Jackson in Year 1 influenced West to trade a 2nd rounder for Corey Hightower, who was immediately cut. The 2nd round pick ended up as Manu Ginobili for SA. Jackson had no desire for Ruben Patterson that year either. Later, he admitted that as a mistake. You get the feeling that I could go on and on here...
 
Jackson to decide sometime in June

I did not see any mention of Kings in this article. Does this mean we can finally lay to rest the Kings getting Phil.?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2060501

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- Phil Jackson is still trying to decide whether he will return to coaching next season, and expects teams would want to hear from him by next month.
"I've not made up my mind. Coaching is an option," Jackson told The Associated Press in an interview Saturday, adding that while he had set no deadline for his decision, "by mid-June or by early June, people need to have answers."

The former Los Angeles Lakers coach said he wouldn't necessarily mind taking on a rebuilding job.

"The two teams I've been with have been relatively set. I was in Chicago as an assistant coach when they were rebuilding. The Lakers had to practically rebuild all the time. The changes we went through in the first three championships with the organization were probably more than we went through in Chicago."

Jackson said there were obvious advantages if he were to return to the Lakers, but also some disadvantages.

"I have a family here. I have a relationship with Jeannie [Buss]. There are a lot of positive things. There's also a big negative about not being here last year and the experience that led to the change with the Lakers. There is also that overall feeling."

Although Jackson had some critical comments about Kobe Bryant in a book he wrote after leaving Los Angeles, he said Saturday he'd have no difficulty working with the Lakers star.

"I think there is nothing but good feelings between Kobe and myself," he said.

Jackson was delivering a speech later in the day at a fundraiser for the Positive Coaching Alliance, a national nonprofit group that encourages youth coaches to use sports to teach life lessons. He is a spokesman for the group.

Lakers owner Jerry Buss said earlier this month that Jackson was on the short list of candidates for the team's vacant coaching job. Buss said he believes Jackson wants to return to coaching, but maybe not this year. Jackson's longtime girlfriend, Jeanie Buss, is the owner's daughter and an executive with the team.

Jackson has also been mentioned in connection with coaching vacancies with the Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks, and there might be other possibilities as well.

Jackson and the Lakers parted ways three days after Los Angeles lost to Detroit in last year's NBA Finals. Rudy Tomjanovich signed a five-year contract to coach the team, but stepped down on Feb. 2, citing health concerns. Jackson was mentioned as a possible replacement almost immediately.

The 59-year-old Jackson has nine championship rings as a head coach, six in Chicago and three in Los Angeles. He's tied with former Boston coach Red Auerbach for most NBA titles.

If Jackson does decide to return to coaching, he figures to command a salary somewhere in the range of $10 million a year. He earned $30 million in his five years as Lakers coach.

Knicks president Isiah Thomas met with Jackson last month to discuss the New York job, but Thomas also has interviewed other candidates.

The Lakers, usually one of the NBA's glamour teams, had a 34-48 record this season and missed the playoffs for the first time in 11 years and just the second time since 1976. Assistant Frank Hamblen served as interim coach after Tomjanovich stepped down.

Jackson and Bryant had a well-documented up-and-down relationship during their five years together, and Jackson outlined the difficulties in a book he wrote that came out last October. Bryant signed a seven-year, $136 million contract with the Lakers last July.
 
Leave it to the Zen Master to continue the drama as absolutely long as possible AND to wait and see if any of those playoff teams suddenly decide to change generals...

I hear Kobe may be inviting Phil over to his house for a backyard barbecue.
 
VF21 said:
Leave it to the Zen Master to continue the drama as absolutely long as possible AND to wait and see if any of those playoff teams suddenly decide to change generals...

I hear Kobe may be inviting Phil over to his house for a backyard barbecue.

Hey, maybe Bibby can invite them next time he BBQs for Jerome James!;)
 
When he was at the fundraiser mentioned in the article and taking questions from reporters, he was giving the "I'll still be happy if I don't coach" angle and other "take it or leave it" vibes. Pulling more strings like these teams are puppets of his. Phil Jackson, Master Puppeteer.
 
Jackson to decide sometime in June

I wait with bated breath. :rolleyes:

Can we just move on from this silly circus now? The man is a turd anyway. To sit around getting played by him after all the rest of the crap he's spewed at us is just humiliating. We aren't THAT desperate.

Just go away Phil.
 
L.A. Brian said:
When he was at the fundraiser mentioned in the article and taking questions from reporters, he was giving the "I'll still be happy if I don't coach" angle and other "take it or leave it" vibes. Pulling more strings like these teams are puppets of his. Phil Jackson, Master Puppeteer.

Somehow, Will Farrel looks more like James Lipton than James Lipton looks like James Lipton.
 
PixelPusher said:
Somehow, Will Farrel looks more like James Lipton than James Lipton looks like James Lipton.

While your statement may, in fact, be true I'm somewhat puzzled. Was Will Farrell at the fundraiser?

;)
 
I'm going to merge this into the existing thread about Phil Jackson possibly coming to the Kings. I really don't think we need to have multiple threads about the same thing...
 
Rockmeister said:

1) no true superstar
2) two terrific point guards wasted in triangle offense
3) Phil is used to using his Zen teachings to calm extremely talented, egotistical personalities from being selfish. We're not extremely talented, egotistical, or selfish. In fact, we're pretty much the exact opposite on all three accounts (okay fine, we're talented, but definitely not Jordan-Pippen-Kobe talented).

If anything, I think we need an TOUGHNESS-centric coach more than a CALMING coach. We need a Larry Brown, or a Gregg Popovich, or even a George Karl.
 
Bricklayer said:
Can we just move on from this silly circus now? The man is a turd anyway. To sit around getting played by him after all the rest of the crap he's spewed at us is just humiliating.

Phil Jackson is taken WAY too seriously. The guy spews crap at everyone and everything and pokes fun at anything people are sensitive about. He's done it through his career and he will continue to do so wherever he gains a job.

The reason? He's stated that when fans are concentrated on getting him, it's taking that much attention off of his players.

Does he act like a turd? You bet. Do I think he really gives a crap about the things he claims? Nope.

He accused basically everyone on Sacramento of being pot smoking fiends, when he himself is very active in that area. The guy pokes fun at everything he can, and people take him far more seriously than they should.
 
Catalyst said:
Phil Jackson is taken WAY too seriously. The guy spews crap at everyone and everything and pokes fun at anything people are sensitive about. He's done it through his career and he will continue to do so wherever he gains a job.

The reason? He's stated that when fans are concentrated on getting him, it's taking that much attention off of his players.

Does he act like a turd? You bet. Do I think he really gives a crap about the things he claims? Nope.

He accused basically everyone on Sacramento of being pot smoking fiends, when he himself is very active in that area. The guy pokes fun at everything he can, and people take him far more seriously than they should.

You think people should overlook everything because he's just acting like a turd? Sorry, I don't think it's an act.

I don't care how he acts or what he smokes. I guess maybe I'm just old-fashioned but I think the coach of our team should be someone who can at least respect the fans and the city. He's made it clear he does neither.

But this is obviously an argument that won't ever end - some will pay any price for what they think is a better chance at a ring. I hope the Maloofs retain a modicum of respect for the fans and the city and not fall into that trap. I guess we'll see come June.
 
How good of a coach would Phil have been without Shaq and without MJ. Those 2 are probably 2 of the top players of all time. We don't even have a top 20 so unless we get Lebron, Garnett, Shaq. Phil won't change anything. Bottom Line lets see how RA does with a deep team and a starting 5 with no major weakness, then if nothing happens we can talk.
 
Entity said:
How good of a coach would Phil have been without Shaq and without MJ. Those 2 are probably 2 of the top players of all time. We don't even have a top 20 so unless we get Lebron, Garnett, Shaq. Phil won't change anything. Bottom Line lets see how RA does with a deep team and a starting 5 with no major weakness, then if nothing happens we can talk.

Sorry, but neither Shaq, Kobe or Jordan won a title without Jackson. All these players were supposed to be "underacheivers and they couldn't win the big one" until Jackson came on board.
 
Ryle said:
Sorry, but neither Shaq, Kobe or Jordan won a title without Jackson. All these players were supposed to be "underacheivers and they couldn't win the big one" until Jackson came on board.

All of these players, with the exception of Shaq, were kids before Phil took over. (Shaq remains a kid ot this day). Phil's entry was timed perfectly to catch them just as they were maturing into thier primes.
 
Bricklayer said:
All of these players, with the exception of Shaq, were kids before Phil took over. (Shaq remains a kid ot this day). Phil's entry was timed perfectly to catch them just as they were maturing into thier primes.

Kids or not, those guys still put together championships after Phil took over. You don't win 9 championships by accident, especially when other great players like Karl Malone, Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley are also running around in the primes of their careers with a great cast of players to back them up.

Phil has usually had great people to work with, but he also helped make those guys as good as they became.
 
VF21 said:
I guess maybe I'm just old-fashioned but I think the coach of our team should be someone who can at least respect the fans and the city. He's made it clear he does neither.
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since when do coaches have to show respect to teams they are in competition with. i dont hear adelman praising tinseltown and its silicone inhabitants. its the nature of being a coach....talk **** on the team youre threatened by.
 
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thesanityannex said:
since when do coaches have to show respect to teams they are in competition with. i dont hear adelman praising tinseltown and its silicone inhabitants. its the nature of being a coach....talk **** on the team youre threatened by.

(First, your post has been edited. Please refrain from attempting to bypass the profanity filters.)

Now, back to the topic at hand:

Oh, please. Give me a break. Talking trash about the opposing team, the city it plays for, etc. is beyond childish. MOST coaches would never stoop to that level. If someone thinks the nature of being a coach is to talk trash about his opponents, then I don't want him anywhere near my team. Great message to be sending out...

Adelman may not praise LA, but you don't hear him - or the majority of NBA coaches - saying anything similar to what Jackson has spouted about Sacramento.

It's not the main reason I don't want him around, but it's certainly a contributory factor. I don't like the idea of our team sending the message that we don't care how pathetic it looks, we'll swallow our pride and grovel at the feet of someone who made us a national joke.

No way, no how.
 
VF21 said:
(First, your post has been edited. Please refrain from attempting to bypass the profanity filters.)



Oh, please. Give me a break. Talking trash about the opposing team, the city it plays for, etc. is beyond childish. MOST coaches would never stoop to that level. If someone thinks the nature of being a coach is to talk trash about his opponents, then I don't want him anywhere near my team. Great message to be sending out...

Adelman may not praise LA, but you don't hear him - or the majority of NBA coaches - saying anything similar to what Jackson has spouted about Sacramento.

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Maybe i should have re-phrased it. How PJ went about it was wrong by saying this to the media. All coaches talk about their opponents on and off the court. Are the coaches on the sidelines complaining to the refs about the dinner they had last night? Do you know the things I've heard sitting courtside, if thats not talking trash on the other team then I don't know what is. I think you took what I said originally the wrong way.
 
thesanityannex said:
Maybe i should have re-phrased it. How PJ went about it was wrong by saying this to the media. All coaches talk about their opponents on and off the court. Are the coaches on the sidelines complaining to the refs about the dinner they had last night? Do you know the things I've heard sitting courtside, if thats not talking trash on the other team then I don't know what is. I think you took what I said originally the wrong way.

I'm sorry but I really fail to see how coaches on the sidelines talking to the officials are relevant in any way, shape or form to what Jackson has said. We're not talking about in-game complaints about fouls, etc. We're talking about an ongoing litany of insults, demeaning comments, etc. that Jackson made time and time again off the court about Sacramento, the fans, etc.

This whole "talking trash" thing is, IMHO, on a par with a player being upset because he was "dissed." The NBA isn't about who can talk the best trash, nor should it be.

Again, this is incidental to the points at hand. Phil Jackson isn't coming to the Kings. There's no reason he would. And, as several of us have pointed out, his past actions alone would make it pretty clear that he doesn't even like Sacramento. He has offers from much bigger, better places that could pay more AND have more of what he is used to - the bright lights of the big city, five star restaurants galore, celebrities, AND Jeannie Buss.
 
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