Petrie and Cooper meeting with Ryan Anderson

[bajaden]

In this case, you want to try the quicker of the two (AR or TRob) guarding the SF on the open floor. IMO, that would be TRob who I think is quicker than Peja from what I've seen so far.

I had the same thought. Robinson would guard the other teams SF on defense, but would play the PF position on offense. Might work to some extent. Anderson doesn't handle like a SF, but all his other skills would be fine for that position. One thing for sure, our rebounding would be one of the best in the league with that front line. Of course that means JT is gone, which I hope doesn't happen. More of a nostalgia thing than anything else. But, the JT thing needs to be settled as quickly as possible. The Kings can't afford to sit through half of the freeagent season waiting for him to bring other offers, while the rest of the league signs players they might be interested in.

 

[bajaden]

That's an interesting thought. The fact is, TRob is fast but can he really guard a SF? We don't know. One thing I DO know is that there is probably an even chance that he could guard a SF as well as who we have. That's not really meant to sound like a good thing.

Athleticism doesn't always mean a player will be a good defender. Its sort of like scoring high on an IQ test. The potential is there, but its up to the player to use that potential. Personally, I've known some pretty dumb people with high IQ's. No! No one on this fourm! So having said that, Robinson is a better athlete than Donte Greene, and Donte was considered a good defender at the SF position. Thusly, I think you can make the leap to, Robinson might be able to defend the SF position. Hell, in time, he might be able to play the SF position if he improves his handles and his jumpshot. Not suggesting, just observing.

 

[bajaden]

My guess is they see him as a SF and then play a zone D to make up for his lack of quickness? Would kind of hurt our rebounding though which should be one of our few strengths next year. Then again, with Anderson at SF we'd finally have a legit offensive weapon there who can really spread the floor, and his skill set compliments Cousins and TRob. Plus he's a good rebounder for a 3.

Anderson is a very good rebounder. While at Cal, he was one of the top rebounders in the Pac 10, and has rebounded well everywhere he's been. Robinison is a terrific rebounder, as is Cuz. So I don't necessarily think that our rebounding would be worse. It might actually be better.

 

[bajaden]

Now, I am just trying to think like the Maloofs and Petrie but with shotblockers going around $10-12 million dollars, which the Kings do not have.

Do you think Hassan is that shotblocker that Petrie is thinking of finally unleashing? I think he could put up a solid 10-15 minutes of solid shotblocking intimidation that the Kings could use.

I think summer league, which I'll be attending, will go a long way toward deciding that. Hasson should get plenty of minutes along side Robinson. If Hasson looks ready, then I suspect we'll see him get significant minutes in exhibition games as well. In some ways, he's like the X factor. He could be non relevant, or he could change the whole landscape.

 

[bajaden]

Well, I think TRob/Ryan and the prospect of both playing PF would have problems at some point. Ryan at SF is an interesting idea. There's no doubt hos shooting would be welcomed here, but I think the larger issue is defense. As a PF he's not that good defensively, maybe about average, and that was with D12 behind him. At SF is an even bigger question mark. The idea of him and TRob simply switching every trip down the court with Ryan covering PF's and TRob covering SF's is tougher in reality than on paper. Constantly switching in transition would leave the worst defensive team in the league, us, even more vulnerable in transition. Much easier to stick with the guy who just guarded you running back on defense than tracking someone else across the court.

What are your thoughts on the defense? I haven't seen you mention it. Right now I think defense if more important for this team than gaining offense.

Disagree completely. Teams do it all the time. Its not rocket science. You know who your guarding, and you pick him up once down the court and the ball has been stopped. Its just not that difficult. Its done in college all the time. So its not like these guys haven't done it before. Beno and Tyreke used to do it. I'm not saying its how a perfect world should work, but sometimes you have to play the cards your dealt and make the best of them. Its exactly what we did at times with Cousins and Dalembert.

 

[bajaden]

He's from El Dorado Hills.

Just a wee bit of a nit pic, don't you think. A man after my own heart!

 

[rainmaker]

Disagree completely. Teams do it all the time. Its not rocket science. You know who your guarding, and you pick him up once down the court and the ball has been stopped. Its just not that difficult. Its done in college all the time. So its not like these guys haven't done it before. Beno and Tyreke used to do it. I'm not saying its how a perfect world should work, but sometimes you have to play the cards your dealt and make the best of them. Its exactly what we did at times with Cousins and Dalembert.

I know it does happen and can be successful, but I also think it's easier said than done. My point is just that it isn't ideal, and while I don't mind it too much in stretches, the idea of bringing in Ryan and having to do it most of the time he's on the court if he and TRob are out there is an unnecessary complication, especially considering some of the athletic 3's in this league who like to leak out in transition.

If TRob is posting on the right block and Ryan is spotting up in the left corner, the shot goes up and for arguments sake Iggy is guarding Ryan and immediately leaks out after the shot, it's considerably tougher for TRob to track him from the box on the opposite side of the court and break up a transition opportunity.

I didn't say it can't work, just that it's easier to say it should work on paper than in reality. The complications would stem from again playing a guy who isn't a SF at SF, which we seem to enjoy doing. I understand your point, but if putting slower footed PF's at SF and simply switching back and forth to cover was so easy, more teams would do it, yet they don't. It's why most good teams have a SF at SF and a PF at PF. I'd also argue college does'nt have near the athletes you face in the NBA of any given night(as Jimmer can attest to), and having Daly/Cuz switch is a little different as opposing PF's and C's don't leak out near as much as the athletic SF's in this league.

If we did do this, of course I hope it works, but I stand by my point that it isn't as easy as some make it seem.

 

[bajaden]

I know it does happen and can be successful, but I also think it's easier said than done. My point is just that it isn't ideal, and while I don't mind it too much in stretches, the idea of bringing in Ryan and having to do it most of the time he's on the court if he and TRob are out there is an unnecessary complication, especially considering some of the athletic 3's in this league who like to leak out in transition.

If TRob is posting on the right block and Ryan is spotting up in the left corner, the shot goes up and for arguments sake Iggy is guarding Ryan and immediately leaks out after the shot, it's considerably tougher for TRob to track him from the box on the opposite side of the court and break up a transition opportunity.

I didn't say it can't work, just that it's easier to say it should work on paper than in reality. The complications would stem from again playing a guy who isn't a SF at SF, which we seem to enjoy doing. I understand your point, but if putting slower footed PF's at SF and simply switching back and forth to cover was so easy, more teams would do it, yet they don't. It's why most good teams have a SF at SF and a PF at PF. I'd also argue college does'nt have near the athletes you face in the NBA of any given night(as Jimmer can attest to), and having Daly/Cuz switch is a little different as opposing PF's and C's don't leak out near as much as the athletic SF's in this league.

If we did do this, of course I hope it works, but I stand by my point that it isn't as easy as some make it seem.

Well its all just speculation right now anyway. We haven't signed anyone, so until something actually happens, its a moot point. As for how difficult it is to do, we'll just have live with our own opinions. I will say this, a great deal depends on who the players are and their dedication. There is one other possibility. And while bringing it up, I don't think it'll happen. And thats to convert T Rob to SF. If so, it wouldn't happen overnight, and would be something akin to Gerald Wallace skill wise. Although I think Robinson's jumpshot is further along than Wallace's was at the same time in their careers. I do think that Robinson is athletic enough to play the position, but his ballhandling skills would have to improve. And while his jumpshot range goes all the way to the 3pt line, I'm not ready to having him launch away from out there.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it...

 

[Prince_XY]

If TRob is posting on the right block and Ryan is spotting up in the left corner, the shot goes up and for arguments sake Iggy is guarding Ryan and immediately leaks out after the shot, it's considerably tougher for TRob to track him from the box on the opposite side of the court and break up a transition opportunity.

I didn't say it can't work, just that it's easier to say it should work on paper than in reality.

Very good point, but I think it shouldn't be much difficult because...

Once the ball goes up and going to the rim, the key to transition defense is your back court/guards or usually the player nearest to the other side of the court to give quick defense to prevent fast breaks. Actually, it wouldn't matter who is guarding who as long as Anderson should never be designated as the defender in such a case.

Ideally, there should be one-two players always on the look-out for this leaking SF/guards who loves going for the fast break points. And that usually would be one of our back court/guards (Evans, Thornton, and IT or even Jimmer, Salmons, T-will) or who ever player is left positioned on top of the key during offense. You don't want to designate our slower frontline players like the PFs and Centers, and even the slower SFs doing the defense in transition fast-breaks. They will just get beat over and over again.

I guess what I'm saying is when you are on offense, there will be a lot of switching anyways once the ball goes up going to the rim. You wouldn't actually know if you're still going to be on offense or defense during this time. A good coach will always tell his players (usually his guards and not the PF, C, and certainly not your SF if he is too slow) to be always on the look-out to prevent any fast-breaks. At the same time the fast break is being prevented, there will be switching back to your assignment while quickly settling back to defend your goal.

BTW, I am NOT an advocate of trying Anderson at SF however good he is on 3-pt shooting. I will probably try first the faster and quicker TRob at SF - both on defense and offense.

 

[Section 101]

I know it does happen and can be successful, but I also think it's easier said than done. My point is just that it isn't ideal, and while I don't mind it too much in stretches, the idea of bringing in Ryan and having to do it most of the time he's on the court if he and TRob are out there is an unnecessary complication, especially considering some of the athletic 3's in this league who like to leak out in transition.

If TRob is posting on the right block and Ryan is spotting up in the left corner, the shot goes up and for arguments sake Iggy is guarding Ryan and immediately leaks out after the shot, it's considerably tougher for TRob to track him from the box on the opposite side of the court and break up a transition opportunity.

I didn't say it can't work, just that it's easier to say it should work on paper than in reality. The complications would stem from again playing a guy who isn't a SF at SF, which we seem to enjoy doing. I understand your point, but if putting slower footed PF's at SF and simply switching back and forth to cover was so easy, more teams would do it, yet they don't. It's why most good teams have a SF at SF and a PF at PF. I'd also argue college does'nt have near the athletes you face in the NBA of any given night(as Jimmer can attest to), and having Daly/Cuz switch is a little different as opposing PF's and C's don't leak out near as much as the athletic SF's in this league.

If we did do this, of course I hope it works, but I stand by my point that it isn't as easy as some make it seem.

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

I would hope for your sake that this comment was made tongue firmly in cheek, but I sense that it's not...

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

Ignorance = not sexy.


Reke not only shot better than any of our other offensive stars last year, he led all NBA guards in both takes (7.0) and conversions (4.6) at the rim, and trailed only DWade in conversion percentage (64.6%) amongst guys who got there a lot.

So I suppose as long as you are willing to travel around the NBA's messageboards dropping similarly trolly comments in threads about every other backcourt star in the the league, at least you would be consistent and honest about it. Please enjoy what should be lively interaction with DRose (58.0%) fans in Chicago, DWade (66.0%) fans in Miami, Westbrook (61.6%) fans in the midwest, Rondo fans (58.9%), Monta fans (63.1%), Kyrie (60.4%) fans...should be colorful as you explain to them how their guys are doing it wrong.

 

[Entity]

Learn from this ladies and gentlemen. To be a true Smarta$$ you must do your due dilligence.

 

[Uncia03]

I'm not a fan of Ryan Anderson playing the PF position...mostly because I'm not a big fan of a stretch-four.

With that said, if we can't land AK or another quality SF, then I would be on board with experimenting and going big with an Anderson/Robinson/Cousins line-up where Robinson matches up with the hardest to guard SF/PF from the other team, which would hopefully prevent Anderson from being a complete defensive liability.

Not ideal, but Anderson would provide the shooting we need as well as great rebounding. There are a lot of options I would prefer, but provided that Anderson doesn't come in to be our starting PF and relegates Robinson to 15 minutes off the bench, I'd be willing to take a wait-and-see attitude to how it translates on the court.

 

[est.1999]

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

Do you enjoy being a laughing stock?

 

[rainmaker]

Well its all just speculation right now anyway. We haven't signed anyone, so until something actually happens, its a moot point. As for how difficult it is to do, we'll just have live with our own opinions. I will say this, a great deal depends on who the players are and their dedication. There is one other possibility. And while bringing it up, I don't think it'll happen. And thats to convert T Rob to SF. If so, it wouldn't happen overnight, and would be something akin to Gerald Wallace skill wise. Although I think Robinson's jumpshot is further along than Wallace's was at the same time in their careers. I do think that Robinson is athletic enough to play the position, but his ballhandling skills would have to improve. And while his jumpshot range goes all the way to the 3pt line, I'm not ready to having him launch away from out there.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it...

Fair enough. Agree to disagree. I do think we both agree however that this isn't that likely in the first place. Just not much else to talk about right now and we can only speculate on the little we hear.

 

[rainmaker]

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

Can't help but notice you didn't have a response and logged out as soon as you were confronted with reality. Tough being a troll sometimes, eh?

 

[Agent23]

Maybe if Evans didn't drive into the other 3 players and throw a brick off the glass TRob wouldn't have to track Iggy down.

You're almost as bad as that "special" poster, Cuad.

 

[Section 101]

Ignorance = not sexy.


Reke not only shot better than any of our other offensive stars last year, he led all NBA guards in both takes (7.0) and conversions (4.6) at the rim, and trailed only DWade in conversion percentage (64.6%) amongst guys who got there a lot.

So I suppose as long as you are willing to travel around the NBA's messageboards dropping similarly trolly comments in threads about every other backcourt star in the the league, at least you would be consistent and honest about it. Please enjoy what should be lively interaction with DRose (58.0%) fans in Chicago, DWade (66.0%) fans in Miami, Westbrook (61.6%) fans in the midwest, Rondo fans (58.9%), Monta fans (63.1%), Kyrie (60.4%) fans...should be colorful as you explain to them how their guys are doing it wrong.

So those 2.4 shots he missed could be what I described in Rainmakers hypothetical play?

 

[Section 101]

Can't help but notice you didn't have a response and logged out as soon as you were confronted with reality. Tough being a troll sometimes, eh?

Ya, It's called visiting my grandmother with a broken leg at her assisted living place for pre 4th BBQ. So I should have stayed to read your hypothetical plays instead?

 

[Dime Dropper]

So those 2.4 shots he missed could be what I described in Rainmakers hypothetical play?

I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[sdballer]

Ya, It's called visiting my grandmother with a broken leg at her assisted living place for pre 4th BBQ. So I should have stayed to read your hypothetical plays instead?

Pretty sure even your grandma is embarrassed for you right now

 

[Section 101]

I would hope for your sake that this comment was made tongue firmly in cheek, but I sense that it's not...

Half and half. It's the freaking off season and people are worried about specific situations for players that aren't signed or that don't even have an offer sheet let alone any talk of one being offered.

Oh btw. Iggy combine 3/4 sprint 3.18, TRob 3.17, Granger 3.34, Evans 3.17, Gay 3.32, Leonard 3.15, Durant 3.45, Melo 3.15.

So I would say he would be one of the fastest SF in the league. (not that I think he's a SF)

 

[mac]

I'm embarrassed for you.

We should compile a troll archive of sorts, just to have a list we can look back on and smile at. Remember Tyrant and AriesMar?

It's sad seeing a once good poster turn into something like this. Cuad was wrong when he said that Evans killed Thornton's career. I think Evans killed section101s common sense.

 

[bajaden]

Half and half. It's the freaking off season and people are worried about specific situations for players that aren't signed or that don't even have an offer sheet let alone any talk of one being offered.

Oh btw. Iggy combine 3/4 sprint 3.18, TRob 3.17, Granger 3.34, Evans 3.17, Gay 3.32, Leonard 3.15, Durant 3.45, Melo 3.15.

So I would say he would be one of the fastest SF in the league. (not that I think he's a SF)

Michael Kid Gilchrist 3.18, Your right, he would be one of the fastest SF's, if he played that position, in the NBA. Which leads me to believe, he might be faster than most of the PF's in the league.

 

[bajaden]

We should compile a troll archive of sorts, just to have a list we can look back on and smile at. Remember Tyrant and AriesMar?

It's sad seeing a once good poster turn into something like this. Cuad was wrong when he said that Evans killed Thornton's career. I think Evans killed section101s common sense.

I think its time to lighten up a bit. Having personally met Section 101, who does sit in section 101, I do know he's an avid Kings fan. I may not agree with everything he says, but he's not a troll, which to my mind, is the worse thing you can be called on this fourm.

 

[mac]

I think its time to lighten up a bit. Having personally met Section 101, who does sit in section 101, I do know he's an avid Kings fan. I may not agree with everything he says, but he's not a troll, which to my mind, is the worse thing you can be called on this fourm.

I know that pre-Tyreke he was a pretty avid Kings fan. Now 90% of his posts seem to be more anti-Tyreke than pro-Kings.

 

[Prince_XY]

It must have started then when the Kings did not draft Rubio.

 

[Section 101]

I know that pre-Tyreke he was a pretty avid Kings fan. Now 90% of his posts seem to be more anti-Tyreke than pro-Kings.

I'm not anti Evans. I'm anti Evans is a PG and Evans being portraited as a star. IF he ever gets to play in the all star game then go ahead and call him a star until then he's just a journeyman.

 

[Bricklayer]

It must have started then when the Kings did not draft Rubio.

Was exactly when it started.