People United

Warhawk

Warhawk

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#31
#31
And how would this tax hurt those goals??? Why protest this if it doesn't affect what you are concerned about?

There is nothing preventing anyone who wants to from mailing a check to the government to help any of these items. Or from passing a ballot proposal of their own, as mentioned previously by Kennadog.
 
kennadog

kennadog

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#32
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BigWaxer said:
You trying to get me mad Kenna by posting that?

And that covers both sides... Kinda crazy
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Hey, no shooting the messenger. ;)

Why does proposing an arena mean other issues cannot be addressed? I certainly hope they are addressed.

Its like saying you can't go out to play until your work is done, except the work is never done. There needs to be a balance in life and in a city.
 
VF21

VF21

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#33
#33
Warhawk said:
And how would this tax hurt those goals??? Why protest this if it doesn't affect what you are concerned about?

There is nothing preventing anyone who wants to from mailing a check to the government to help any of these items. Or from passing a ballot proposal of their own, as mentioned previously by Kennadog.
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Ah, but that's the argument the Tamayos of the world don't even want to address, Warhawk. It's so much easier just to stand up and scream about inequities and "schools, levees and crime." I'm surprised he didn't mention healthcare for the elderly and homeless pets while he was at it.


/end dripping sarcasm (in last sentence)
 
BigWaxer

BigWaxer

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#34
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VF21 said:
Erm, I'm pretty sure that wasn't her intention.

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Sorry, Waxer, but there is room in the universe for talks of schools, of levees, of crime prevention, etc. without the need to make it sound as though anyone who would DARE not to put those items first in every single project is simply not seeing the big picture.

Life is complex. Life in a growing, thriving community like Sacramento is very complex. I refuse to buy into Tamayo's kind of panic-driven rhetoric that tries to alarm the populace.

The guy in the article is as much as saying if people dare to think about community improvement, quality of life, pursuing simple pleasures, etc. then they're going to destroy the future of our children, allow downtown Sacramento to flood into nothingness and if that doesn't happen, we'll all be murdered in our sleep anyway.

You live in an area that has serious flood issues. Do you expect every single project that either the Sutter or Yuba county boards of supervisors to address to thing about flood protection first? Of course not.

You can build an entertainment venue for the enrichment of many lives and still talk about levees. Especially since that is handled by different funding, etc.

Sorry, I respect you and your opinion but Dave Tamayo doesn't impress me at all.
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I was just kidding on KIdda's post. Would never be cruel to a YC feller.
 
D-Mass

D-Mass

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#37
#37
VF21 said:
Ah, but that's the argument the Tamayos of the world don't even want to address, Warhawk. It's so much easier just to stand up and scream about inequities and "schools, levees and crime."
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And of those three things, crime is the only one where the major funding burden falls on the county/city. School funding comes almost exclusively fom the state budget, and it seems that levee repair is also being launched with state and federal funds. Their argument just doesn't hold water (pun intended).
 
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BigWaxer

BigWaxer

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#38
#38
kennadog said:
It is so much easier to tear down, to be anti-whatever, to find fault, than to fight for something, to ask for money for something.
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That is the best statement in any of these arena threads. It is really that easy to say nay.

Ur other after post:

No Comment: You guys play for sutter?
 
VF21

VF21

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#39
#39
D-Mass said:
And of those three things, crime is the only one where the major funding burden falls on the county/city. School funding comes almost exclusively fom the state budget, and it seems that levee repair is also being launched with state and federal funds. Their argument just doesn't hold water (pun intended).
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Food for thought:

Back in the OLD days, the area now known as Old Sacramento and downtown used to flood regularly. Almost like clockwork. At some point - I believe the late 1800s - the entire downtown was RAISED 10 feet to counteract the seasonal floods.

Would the ultimate irony be if, after the new arena is completed, it's lost because of a catastrophic levee failure? So, interestingly enough, (or maybe not ;) ), the arena and the levee issue are actually inextricably wound together.
 
Warhawk

Warhawk

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#40
#40
VF21 said:
Food for thought:

Back in the OLD days, the area now known as Old Sacramento and downtown used to flood regularly. Almost like clockwork. At some point - I believe the late 1800s - the entire downtown was RAISED 10 feet to counteract the seasonal floods.

Would the ultimate irony be if, after the new arena is completed, it's lost because of a catastrophic levee failure? So, interestingly enough, (or maybe not ;) ), the arena and the levee issue are actually inextricably wound together.
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That's it! VF - you're brilliant! The new arena name is the Sacramento Bathtub Arena! Brought to you by the Army Corps of Engineers and Congress....

Other sponsors - Kohler, Delta, Price Pfister, Ivory, Suave, and the company that makes little rubber duckies.
 
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NewMonkey

Bench
#41
#41
The Bee article this morning said that half of the tax money would go to local governments. Why not pay for "schools, levees and violent crime" with that half? Seems to make sense to me - and then everyone wins. I understand that schools and levies aren't generally funded locally, but I think that finding a way to spend money on those items would do a lot to blunt the arguments of People United.

In addition, we're talking about an increase of 25 cents on a hundred dollars here. I REALLY think someone (not as lazy as me) ought to start a "Quarters for the Kings" promotion to signify how small this tax increase really is. People could contribute their leftover quarters to help keep the Kings in Sacramento. Contributers would symbolically pay the "share" of anti-tax types who oppose any new tax to be used for any reason. However, all revenue from "Quarters for the Kings" would go to "schools, levees and violent crime." I'm absolutely serious about this.
 
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Warhawk

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#42
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NewMonkey said:
In addition, we're talking about an increase of 25 cents on a hundred dollars here. I REALLY think someone (not as lazy as me) ought to start a "Quarters for the Kings" promotion to signify how small this tax increase really is. People could contribute their leftover quarters to help keep the Kings in Sacramento. Contributers would symbolically pay the "share" of anti-tax types who oppose any new tax to be used for any reason. However, all revenue from "Quarters for the Kings" would go to "schools, levees and violent crime." I'm absolutely serious about this.
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Actually, the name is quite clever. Very well done.

I have no idea on how to do this or make it effective, but if the proposal makes it to ballot some publicity items like this might help if done correctly.
 
Kingzrool

Kingzrool

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#43
#43
NewMonkey said:
In addition, we're talking about an increase of 25 cents on a hundred dollars here. I REALLY think someone (not as lazy as me) ought to start a "Quarters for the Kings" promotion to signify how small this tax increase really is. People could contribute their leftover quarters to help keep the Kings in Sacramento. Contributers would symbolically pay the "share" of anti-tax types who oppose any new tax to be used for any reason. However, all revenue from "Quarters for the Kings" would go to "schools, levees and violent crime." I'm absolutely serious about this.
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This is a great idea! Catchy and realistic. Somebody with more time and $$ (the Maloofs??? or not) should start a non-profit organization to organize (no pun intended) this. I would be happy to help out up here in the mountains.

Quarters for the Kings!!

It would not be the first time that a passionate group of individuals worked together to successfully influence the "system".
 
kennadog

kennadog

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#44
#44
"Quarters for Kings"....really catchy :) Maybe to take away the emphasis on the Kings, and alternative name could be "Quarters for New Quarters" or something.;)
 
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JB_kings

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#45
#45
This People United group is more than welcome to start their own tax initiatives to get their issues addressed. Other groups have gotten their own initiatives on the ballot and let the voters decide. If this People United solely exists to restrict other groups from persuing the peoples right to vote on any issue, then they are the problem.
 
VF21

VF21

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#50
#50
No one is saying we'd donate to "People United." The point would be to donate funds raised to an appropriate charity or something, since it's almost impossible to actually donate funds to government entities. If anything ever came of this, it would be more symbolic than anything else.
 
M

Matrix

Prospect
#51
#51
Well, I do see one person on the board that has been against the city doing anything to keep the Kings here and that is Dave Jones.

http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/membership.htm
People United for a Better Sacramento (also known as PUBS) was incorporated in 2004 under the leadership of Assembly Member Dave Jones (then Sacramento City Council member). For years, we have worked together to win significant political victories such as the Sacramento City Living Wage, Sanitation District infill incentive fees, and Sacramento City and County Inclusionary Housing ordinances.
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Let's go back a couple years.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/arena/story/9763877p-10201129c.html
City Councilman Dave Jones, the most vocal critic of a publicly subsidized arena, said as long as the plan involves taxpayer dollars the issue is closed in his mind.
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I would say that Dave Jones is a thorn in the Kings side still. :mad:
 
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JB_kings

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#54
#54
Dave Jones can vote as long as he's a registered voter in the city or county of Sacramento. He gets one just like any other resident.
From council member to the assembly... looks like he's making a nice living off of being a politician. Maybe some day he can be Willie Brown's limo driver and have some real power. :D
 
slugking50

slugking50

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#55
#55
Steinberg then Dave Jones represented me when I lived in District 6 in the city. One was class the other was a jerk. I bet nobody can guess who was which?!;)
 
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Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

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#56
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NoBonus said:
I love special interest groups like "People United"; their name makes you think they reflect the views of all people, when, in fact, they are lucky if 1,000 people support them worldwide.
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Thank you, and the more you look into these types of groups, the more you realize they are a huge scam, in the first place.
 
D-Mass

D-Mass

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#58
#58
Purple Reign said:
board members:
http://www.peopleunitedsacramento.net/board.htm

MY BOSS IS ON THIS LIST!!!:eek:

With all due respect, this bunch is a group of bleeding heart liberal tree huggers, that want to live back in the 70's holding up their Love not War signs. who want any tax increases to go towards social causes.
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:rolleyes: Why does that phrase always precede something disrespectful?

I'm a bleeding heart liberal tree-hugger, and I want an arena as much as anyone. This doesn't have to be partisan.
 
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Wert

G-League
#59
#59
It's interesting to see folks here have knee jerk reactions to a group (people united) that itself seems to be having knee jerk reactions to proposal that doesn't even officially exist yet. ;)
 
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