Peja Should Shoot More!

[Bonzinator]

i cant understand why peja only had 12 SHOTS! he is our best shooter and he never shoots. i saw peja open so many times and they never passed him the ball. i remember a few weeks ago bibby blamed it on the system. he said he thinks the system is the reason he doesnt get him the ball. well if this is true then they change the system. nobody on this team knows there role. and its not just peja that doesnt shoot enough its brad also.

 

[Kings113]

He played less minutes.

 

[piksi]

our spacing is horrible

 

[D-Mass]

People aren't getting enough good, open shots to take because:

1.) We don't have Webb as a scoring and passing threat in the post.
2.) We don't use SAR enough in the above capacity (assuming he CAN).
3.) As piksi said, our spacing is horrible.
4.) We have no one who can drive to the basket and be a threat to finish in the paint.
5.) We have been figured out as a purely shooting team...why should people play off of us and give us open shots if they know we can't get to the hoop?

 

[playmaker0017]

Bonzinator,

You say that Brad and Peja should shoot more?

I agree that Peja should - but where are you going to get all these shots?

Reef is shooting 10 times. That's far too little.
Bonzi was shooting 13 times. That's a few too many.
Bibby is shooting 15 times. Probably too many.
Peja is shooting 13 times. About right, maybe a shot or two shy.
Miller is shooting 10 times. Probably too many.
(moved around true averages to account for people being in or out of the lineup)

Using that we've currently got around 55-70 shots to divvy up on the starting unit - how would you assign them? (The spot on average number of shots per game for our stating unit is 62)

Me - I'd want something like this:

.............Min - Avg - Max
PEJA ......16 - 16 - 18
REEF ......15 - 16 - 17
BIBB ......10 - 13 - 15
WELL ......8 - 9 - 10
MILL ...... 6 - 8 - 10
TOTAL..... 55 - 62 - 70

That's how I think this team would be best served using their offensive possessions. I think a good blend of outside (Bibby/Peja) with inside (Reef) will do the trick offensively. Bonzi getting garbage points and Miller getting those open looks.

 

[Peja]

I was just reading some article in one magazine where Peja was interviewed after he scored 41 point against Memphis.I think that was season when Peja had 24 ppg.Anyway,I find out in that article that Peja was one of the best shooters with 18 shoots per game.If he could shoot that much now,I think it would be better for him and Kings...who knows...

When we talk about Peja just one little question.Is there any chance for him to take part in this years 3 point shootout in the All star Weekend?I see that he has something about 43% behind the arc...

 

[Bonzinator]

Bonzinator,

You say that Brad and Peja should shoot more?

I agree that Peja should - but where are you going to get all these shots?

Reef is shooting 10 times. That's far too little.
Bonzi was shooting 13 times. That's a few too many.
Bibby is shooting 15 times. Probably too many.
Peja is shooting 13 times. About right, maybe a shot or two shy.
Miller is shooting 10 times. Probably too many.
(moved around true averages to account for people being in or out of the lineup)

Using that we've currently got around 55-70 shots to divvy up on the starting unit - how would you assign them? (The spot on average number of shots per game for our stating unit is 62)

Me - I'd want something like this:

.............Min - Avg - Max
PEJA ......16 - 16 - 18
REEF ......15 - 16 - 17
BIBB ......10 - 13 - 15
WELL ......8 - 9 - 10
MILL ...... 6 - 8 - 10
TOTAL..... 55 - 62 - 70

That's how I think this team would be best served using their offensive possessions. I think a good blend of outside (Bibby/Peja) with inside (Reef) will do the trick offensively. Bonzi getting garbage points and Miller getting those open looks.

i think brad passes up to many shots. hes one of our best shooters. and hes always open, hes to unselfish all he wants to do is pass. and peja should shoot 20 to 25 shots. hes to good of a shooter to shoot only 12 or 15 shots. one of the reasons he doesnt score in the fourth quarter is because we dont set any plays for him. if you watch the pistons they set like 30 screens until hamilton gets an open shot. peja is a way better shooter then hamilton. but they never get him the ball.

 

[JJ22L]

When is the last time you have seen Rip Hamilton airball.....yea...- Not saying Rip is a better shooter...just saying...i dont know if you are implying that you would rather have peja then rip. But i would trade Peja for Hamilton ANYDAY OF THE YEAR, least he dosent leave only a shadow in the fourth quarter.

 

[Bonzinator]

When is the last time you have seen Rip Hamilton airball.....yea...- Not saying Rip is a better shooter...just saying...i dont know if you are implying that you would rather have peja then rip. But i would trade Peja for Hamilton ANYDAY OF THE YEAR, least he dosent leave only a shadow in the fourth quarter.

i would rather have hamilton also but thats never gonna happen. rite now we have peja not rip so while peja is still here he needs more shots! bibby shot an airball also just to let you know. everyone misses shots and im sure rip has shot an airball before.

 

[JJ22L]

i would rather have hamilton also but thats never gonna happen. rite now we have peja not rip so while peja is still here he needs more shots! bibby shot an airball also just to let you know. everyone misses shots and im sure rip has shot an airball before.

I do agree Peja needs to shoot more. He does have a pretty sweet shot...id say its more then plays designed up for him though. It looks to me like its 80% confidence issue...ive seen him pass up ALOT more shots then he used to in his 24 ppg days.

 

[bcfy]

i think brad passes up to many shots. hes one of our best shooters. and hes always open, hes to unselfish all he wants to do is pass. and peja should shoot 20 to 25 shots. hes to good of a shooter to shoot only 12 or 15 shots. one of the reasons he doesnt score in the fourth quarter is because we dont set any plays for him. if you watch the pistons they set like 30 screens until hamilton gets an open shot. peja is a way better shooter then hamilton. but they never get him the ball.

I don't think taking 20 to 25 outside jumpers is a good decision...I would say 15 outside shoots is already too many..unless you mix it up with some drivings...just my opinion.

 

[JJ22L]

I think instead of argueing how many shots bibby peja and miller should be taking....we should trade them for Lebron..and have him take 40 a game

 

[Twix]

I think instead of argueing how many shots bibby peja and miller should be taking....we should trade them for Lebron..and have him take 40 a game

What would suck is if LeBron is on a cold streak. LOL.

Bonzinator: I remember a while back some people here was saying that Peja was shooting TOO MUCH!?

 

[ForlornKing]

I think Miller shooting 10 shos is a good thing.

 

[Bonzinator]

What would suck is if LeBron is on a cold streak. LOL.

Bonzinator: I remember a while back some people here was saying that Peja was shooting TOO MUCH!?

who the heck said that! all i ever said was he doesnt sore in the fourth quarter and that hes softer then tissue paper. but im not saying stuff like that again because i dont wanna get banned again. so what i am gonna say like i said before is he needes to shoot more! its ridiculous how a great shooter like him doesnt soot at least 20 shots. when bonzi sometimes takes 22!

 

[piksi]

It is not the number that is important. It is not even the player's name. If a player is hot - keep looking for him, keep working for him. Some nights it is Pedja, then Miller or SAR or Bibby. Does not mater. Just don't go away from a hot player

 

[vj9999]

It is not the number that is important. It is not even the player's name. If a player is hot - keep looking for him, keep working for him. Some nights it is Pedja, then Miller or SAR or Bibby. Does not mater. Just don't go away from a hot player

Or take him out of the game while he is on a hot streak

 

[playmaker0017]

It is not the number that is important. It is not even the player's name. If a player is hot - keep looking for him, keep working for him. Some nights it is Pedja, then Miller or SAR or Bibby. Does not mater. Just don't go away from a hot player

That's a great philosophy - but quite often (and more often than not) a player is neither hot nor cold.

So, you have to play the percentages. Reef from 8 feet in and Peja when uncovered are your best options on offense and the most dependable.

 

[playmaker0017]

peja should shoot 20 to 25 shots. hes to good of a shooter to shoot only 12 or 15 shots.

20 to 25 shots?!

Do you have any idea how many shots that is? That straight up ball-hogging.

Plus, the reason Peja should never attempt 20+ on average is because he isn't good enough to get his shot off and he's weak around the hoop. Peja needs space to take a shot and he's particularly terrible at creating it for himself.

peja is a way better shooter then hamilton. but they never get him the ball.

It's not always about being a "better" shooter. Hamilton can take it inside and outside. He can create in a clutch.

Peja can't do those things. Peja is a spot shooter and he needs to be squared up and set to take a high percentage shot.

He, like Miller, fail with any real defensive pressure on them.

Peja is probably the best shooter in the league, but Ray Allen will always be more recognized as the best ... because Allen can do so many more things.

 

[tyrant]

i think we could use a new offense

 

[piksi]

Or take him out of the game while he is on a hot streak

especially when the opponent goes on a 20 - 0 run

 

[Kev.in]

The only way to truely guarantee enough shots is to be able to create for yourself. Peja can't (and never will) be able to do it and that's why you'll see him disappear or get forgotten in some games. It's not a very new thing, it's just happenening more often because of the roster turnover. In the "old days" if Peja didn't get many shots it was usually because several other players had favorable matchups and were going to take advantage of their defenders. The Kings would win and nobody really cared that Peja got up only 10 or 8 or 12 shots. Now there aren't as many wins so it's getting noticed.

 

[Bonzinator]

20 to 25 shots?!

Do you have any idea how many shots that is? That straight up ball-hogging.

Plus, the reason Peja should never attempt 20+ on average is because he isn't good enough to get his shot off and he's weak around the hoop. Peja needs space to take a shot and he's particularly terrible at creating it for himself.



It's not always about being a "better" shooter. Hamilton can take it inside and outside. He can create in a clutch.

Peja can't do those things. Peja is a spot shooter and he needs to be squared up and set to take a high percentage shot.

He, like Miller, fail with any real defensive pressure on them.

Peja is probably the best shooter in the league, but Ray Allen will always be more recognized as the best ... because Allen can do so many more things.

shooting 20 shots is not ball hogging at all thats nothing compared to what other stars in this league shoot im not saying hes on their level but 20 shots is not that much. and i agree he cant create sHots that well but neither can rip. they set a ton of screens for him until he gets an open shot. i rarely see him taking someone off the dribble. But the point is the pistons give him the ball. and thats what the kings need to do. ITS SO SIMPLE!

 

[Kev.in]

peja is a way better shooter then hamilton.

The difference is that Hamilton is a significantly better ballhandler, is much faster and is sharper coming off screens. Those things add up.

 

[ParniValjak]

i think brad passes up to many shots. hes one of our best shooters. and hes always open, hes to unselfish all he wants to do is pass. and peja should shoot 20 to 25 shots. hes to good of a shooter to shoot only 12 or 15 shots. one of the reasons he doesnt score in the fourth quarter is because we dont set any plays for him. if you watch the pistons they set like 30 screens until hamilton gets an open shot. peja is a way better shooter then hamilton. but they never get him the ball.

Dude we are talking about Pedja here not AI.

The only way Pedja should take that many shots is if he can create for himself on consistent basis.

Having said that, I do think Pedja should shoot a bit more. He is passing way too many shots that in the past he would take.

 

[Bonzinator]

Dude we are talking about Pedja here not AI.

The only way Pedja should take that many shots is if he can create for himself on consistent basis.

Having said that, I do think Pedja should shoot a bit more. He is passing way too many shots that in the past he would take.

what are you talkin about. iverson shoots like 35 shots! and misses alot of them

 

[ParniValjak]

what are you talkin about. iverson shoots like 35 shots! and misses alot of them

It would be nice if you could back up that 35 shots with some stats. I am sure you can't so I will break it up for you.

Iverson has played in 27 games to date and taken 707 shots. On average thats 26.2 shots per game. He has converted FGs at a clip of .457. Pedja on the other hand is shooting .420 from the field.

We won't go into the fact that Iverson is one of the best players in the league at creating his own shot. For a spot up shooter, 20-25 shots per game is strenching it a bit.

 

[KingCookie]

I think Peja should shoot all he wants, especially at the end of games. For some other team. Against us. Yeah.

He's becoming a real mental case, and I don't want the ball anywhere near him in the 4th- I would actually rather have him ride the pine the whole quarter. The best defender of Peja in crunch time is his scaredy-cat BRAIN.